Roma - some questions
Discussion
Hi all,
I am thinking of what would be my first Ferrari, changing from a 718GTS 4.0 and having had various 911s in the past before that. My children are about to leave Home and my wife and I will have more time to take longer trips both here in the UK and in Europe. I'm looking for something a bit more GT-like, but which is still a sporty car if that makes sense, We have a C63S as well, so I am looking for something which is meaningfully different if that makes sense...
If anyone has any thoughts on the following, I'd be really grateful.
1. has anyone made that change and been pleased - or not.
2. What are the must have options - not so bothered about resale, but in terms of living with the car. A bit of research seems to suggest that shields, mag suspension and carbon wheel with LEDs are "mandatory", but most cars seem to have them. Is there anything which really adds to the enjoyment of owning/driving one?
3. Im looking at 22/23 cars between about 140-150k - what sort of reduction might I expect to be able to negotiate?
Thanks in advance...any other thoughts obviously welcome.
I am thinking of what would be my first Ferrari, changing from a 718GTS 4.0 and having had various 911s in the past before that. My children are about to leave Home and my wife and I will have more time to take longer trips both here in the UK and in Europe. I'm looking for something a bit more GT-like, but which is still a sporty car if that makes sense, We have a C63S as well, so I am looking for something which is meaningfully different if that makes sense...
If anyone has any thoughts on the following, I'd be really grateful.
1. has anyone made that change and been pleased - or not.
2. What are the must have options - not so bothered about resale, but in terms of living with the car. A bit of research seems to suggest that shields, mag suspension and carbon wheel with LEDs are "mandatory", but most cars seem to have them. Is there anything which really adds to the enjoyment of owning/driving one?
3. Im looking at 22/23 cars between about 140-150k - what sort of reduction might I expect to be able to negotiate?
Thanks in advance...any other thoughts obviously welcome.
I have a Roma after years of 911s and various Astons and lambos .
I love it , thoroughly recommend them but they do drive very different to Porsche and it has taken a bit of getting used to .The steering is so much quicker and a Porsche feels like it’s tearing into the tarmac whereas the Ferrari feels like it’s gliding along the tarmac ( but you do feel the road through the steering it’s not like a big wafty car )
The options you mention are right ,some dismiss the carbon steering wheel as a gimmick but I appreciate when you are really booting it you cannot take your eyes off the road as it’s crazy fast and the ability to see the red line approaching in your peripheral vision is very welcome , it’s helped me avoid slamming into the red line many times .
I think they are a great used buy given a base 911 with a bit of spec will now set you back similar money .
Good liuck whatever your decision but there is a good reason it won all its group tests and still gets 5 star reviews ( see evo a few weeks ago )
I love it , thoroughly recommend them but they do drive very different to Porsche and it has taken a bit of getting used to .The steering is so much quicker and a Porsche feels like it’s tearing into the tarmac whereas the Ferrari feels like it’s gliding along the tarmac ( but you do feel the road through the steering it’s not like a big wafty car )
The options you mention are right ,some dismiss the carbon steering wheel as a gimmick but I appreciate when you are really booting it you cannot take your eyes off the road as it’s crazy fast and the ability to see the red line approaching in your peripheral vision is very welcome , it’s helped me avoid slamming into the red line many times .
I think they are a great used buy given a base 911 with a bit of spec will now set you back similar money .
Good liuck whatever your decision but there is a good reason it won all its group tests and still gets 5 star reviews ( see evo a few weeks ago )
I have the 718 GTS 4.0 and recently acquired a 296 GTS to replace an older SL63 AMG for the few UK days when the sun is out. The Ferrari is in a different league to the 718 and I would expect the same of the Roma although with the GTB prices falling you may be able to get into one of those too if you are fine with the V6 hybrid.
Options and colours are purely personal so buy based on what works for you. Probably different for the Roma but I had to have the comfort seats as wanted the heating and cooling. Also the LED wheel just the fun factor.
Don't think anyone would regret moving from the 718 to a Roma or even GTB. Good luck.
As for reductions then that is purely down to the buyer/seller situation. The GTS I bought was already one of the best value private deals - it was still under warranty so I was relaxed about not buying from a dealer but there was virtually no movement on price. Do some research on comparative prices and make an offer based on what you are comfortable paying - you can always walking away. I found the colour and spec I want to virtually paid the asking price because I wanted it. If you are looking for a discount on price then you may be looking at the wrong brand?
Options and colours are purely personal so buy based on what works for you. Probably different for the Roma but I had to have the comfort seats as wanted the heating and cooling. Also the LED wheel just the fun factor.
Don't think anyone would regret moving from the 718 to a Roma or even GTB. Good luck.
As for reductions then that is purely down to the buyer/seller situation. The GTS I bought was already one of the best value private deals - it was still under warranty so I was relaxed about not buying from a dealer but there was virtually no movement on price. Do some research on comparative prices and make an offer based on what you are comfortable paying - you can always walking away. I found the colour and spec I want to virtually paid the asking price because I wanted it. If you are looking for a discount on price then you may be looking at the wrong brand?
Edited by CarbonV12V on Monday 11th May 19:42
Not a Roma, but I went from a 991 GT3 to the Roma's predecessor, a Portofino, after testing both and deciding I wanted a convertible. I wanted something that was very usable for roadtrips, rather than being optimised for track work that I never found time for, while also providing some theatre. I don't regret it for a moment. The back seats mean I can still (just) squeeze one or both of the kids into the car, and make it a wonderfully practical GT. For something heavier and theoretically a lot blunter than the GT3 it's still a lot of fun to drive; it feels a lot more engaging and lighter on its feet than a 996 Turbo S that I ran for many years, so I don't think you'll be disappointed compared to your 718.
In terms of options, they're very personal, but as a general rule they add very little to resale value, maybe 10% of their original cost (although they do impact desireability / re-sellability). For example, my Porto has about £80k-worth of options (*lots* of carbon), but it was only a few thousand more than sparsely spec'd cars when I bought it at 4 years old, barely used with 4k miles on the clock. The Roma and Porto before it have very few options that affect functionality or driving, being mostly cosmetic, no suspension lifter or noisy sports exhaust. As you've said, I think Magneride is standard on UK cars, but of functional options I would make sure you get folding rear seats (for the load-through function); Apple Carplay (hopefully standard on later Romas, but not to start with); parking cameras front and rear; and the upgraded JBL hifi. I found the standard hifi terrible when I tested 488s, Romas and Portofinos, but it's obviously a personal choice. There is a spec / ordering PDF on FChat although it's from launch time, so doesn't reflect later base spec changes:
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrari-...
In terms of discounts, I did get a few grand off mine when I bought from a franchised dealer, but I was trading the Porsche, so in practice it was the usual dance around where they had margin in either end of the deal. Buying approved used was well worthwhile for the 2 year warranty, which costs annually about 4x what I used to pay Porsche, plus Ferrari UK have recently changed their policy so you can't put the cheaper "Power 15" warranty on cars which are still under their 7 year service plan, making it even more expensive to extend the full warranty.
Anyway, go test drive one, you won't regret it
In terms of options, they're very personal, but as a general rule they add very little to resale value, maybe 10% of their original cost (although they do impact desireability / re-sellability). For example, my Porto has about £80k-worth of options (*lots* of carbon), but it was only a few thousand more than sparsely spec'd cars when I bought it at 4 years old, barely used with 4k miles on the clock. The Roma and Porto before it have very few options that affect functionality or driving, being mostly cosmetic, no suspension lifter or noisy sports exhaust. As you've said, I think Magneride is standard on UK cars, but of functional options I would make sure you get folding rear seats (for the load-through function); Apple Carplay (hopefully standard on later Romas, but not to start with); parking cameras front and rear; and the upgraded JBL hifi. I found the standard hifi terrible when I tested 488s, Romas and Portofinos, but it's obviously a personal choice. There is a spec / ordering PDF on FChat although it's from launch time, so doesn't reflect later base spec changes:
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrari-...
In terms of discounts, I did get a few grand off mine when I bought from a franchised dealer, but I was trading the Porsche, so in practice it was the usual dance around where they had margin in either end of the deal. Buying approved used was well worthwhile for the 2 year warranty, which costs annually about 4x what I used to pay Porsche, plus Ferrari UK have recently changed their policy so you can't put the cheaper "Power 15" warranty on cars which are still under their 7 year service plan, making it even more expensive to extend the full warranty.
Anyway, go test drive one, you won't regret it
oscmax said:
Hi all,
I am thinking of what would be my first Ferrari, changing from a 718GTS 4.0 and having had various 911s in the past before that. My children are about to leave Home and my wife and I will have more time to take longer trips both here in the UK and in Europe. I'm looking for something a bit more GT-like, but which is still a sporty car if that makes sense, We have a C63S as well, so I am looking for something which is meaningfully different if that makes sense...
If anyone has any thoughts on the following, I'd be really grateful.
1. has anyone made that change and been pleased - or not.
2. What are the must have options - not so bothered about resale, but in terms of living with the car. A bit of research seems to suggest that shields, mag suspension and carbon wheel with LEDs are "mandatory", but most cars seem to have them. Is there anything which really adds to the enjoyment of owning/driving one?
3. Im looking at 22/23 cars between about 140-150k - what sort of reduction might I expect to be able to negotiate?
Thanks in advance...any other thoughts obviously welcome.
You’ll love the Roma. It’s a proper GT not just a stiff sports car. Your back and wife will thank you on long trips.I am thinking of what would be my first Ferrari, changing from a 718GTS 4.0 and having had various 911s in the past before that. My children are about to leave Home and my wife and I will have more time to take longer trips both here in the UK and in Europe. I'm looking for something a bit more GT-like, but which is still a sporty car if that makes sense, We have a C63S as well, so I am looking for something which is meaningfully different if that makes sense...
If anyone has any thoughts on the following, I'd be really grateful.
1. has anyone made that change and been pleased - or not.
2. What are the must have options - not so bothered about resale, but in terms of living with the car. A bit of research seems to suggest that shields, mag suspension and carbon wheel with LEDs are "mandatory", but most cars seem to have them. Is there anything which really adds to the enjoyment of owning/driving one?
3. Im looking at 22/23 cars between about 140-150k - what sort of reduction might I expect to be able to negotiate?
Thanks in advance...any other thoughts obviously welcome.
Must haves: mag ride, decent seats (not the base ones), rear camera (visibility is rubbish), and the premium sound. Carbon wheel is nice but not essential. Shields are just jewellery.
Negotiate hard on that 22/23 car. £140-150k is high. Aim for £130k. They’re not moving fast. Dealers have stock.
One warning: it’s quieter and softer than your Porsche. Try one on a B-road first. Some miss the rawness. But for touring it’s brilliant.
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