Mclaren's road car range
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This topic was triggered by an email from Mclaren this morning telling me about their new WEC hypercar. Awesome, but that's not going to keep the company afloat. Why is Mclaren's sports car range so woeful? I am in a position to buy my next Mclaren, but ...
750S - awesome but high price point/supercar
Artura - great car but not a replacement for the successful 570 series, plus nobody wants a secondhand hybrid super car (same problem for the Italian supercar manufacturers)
Where is their sub £200k ICE junior supercar? Are there even plans to make one?
I think I may end up in a 570 or 650 spider at this rate.
Yours frustratingly...
750S - awesome but high price point/supercar
Artura - great car but not a replacement for the successful 570 series, plus nobody wants a secondhand hybrid super car (same problem for the Italian supercar manufacturers)
Where is their sub £200k ICE junior supercar? Are there even plans to make one?
I think I may end up in a 570 or 650 spider at this rate.
Yours frustratingly...
root cause, bureaucrats directed that there would be no ICE sports cars
the product development chain has been broken, that leaves a product gap.
Personally, I think Artura is the most overlooked product out there, just needs an indi to support it.
Will the bureaucrats step back and let the free market function? or do they plan to put us all in Trabants
the product development chain has been broken, that leaves a product gap.
Personally, I think Artura is the most overlooked product out there, just needs an indi to support it.
Will the bureaucrats step back and let the free market function? or do they plan to put us all in Trabants
Your only new sub £200k option is the GTS. Artura production has now finished ( confirmed last week by a dealer ), some stock cars available. The immediate future is GTS, 750S, 788HS and W1. Then the revamp happens in 2028. I’ve been told the Artura/750S replacement will likely be a V8 hybrid. I don’t think they will do a sports series replacement which is a shame.
They’re ultimately a very small manufacturer. Regulations pushing everyone to hybrid, 750 replacement is V8 hybrid and Artura successor is another V6 hybrid. If the SUV succeeds maybe they can use that to drag down the fleet average and release a few ultra high end non hybrids but not mass market like the sports series was.
Not like Ferrari / Lambo offer anything either. Aston and Porsche can just about do it as they have huge volume other sellers or use engines from someone else that can afford to meet the new regs.
Not like Ferrari / Lambo offer anything either. Aston and Porsche can just about do it as they have huge volume other sellers or use engines from someone else that can afford to meet the new regs.
The Artura could end up being even rarer in the UK than some of the hypercars. As of Q3 2025, there were under 300 cars registered or SORNd.
Joint 3rd in evo COTY in 2022, and 3rd in Spider form in 2024.
I get that 'no-one wants a second hand hybrid supercar' but that's going to be the reality for all supercars soon.....people will get used to it.
ETA: Whilst the Artura was originally conceived as a 570 replacement, it didn't turn out that way. McLaren now classify the Artura as either a class on its own, or more generally (such as in their workshop info) as a Super series car, like the 720S.
Joint 3rd in evo COTY in 2022, and 3rd in Spider form in 2024.
I get that 'no-one wants a second hand hybrid supercar' but that's going to be the reality for all supercars soon.....people will get used to it.
ETA: Whilst the Artura was originally conceived as a 570 replacement, it didn't turn out that way. McLaren now classify the Artura as either a class on its own, or more generally (such as in their workshop info) as a Super series car, like the 720S.
A used 750S at £200k or Artura at £130k doesn’t look like bad value to me given the performance on offer and both well below list price. I had an Artura as a courtesy car for a weekend a while ago and I was v impressed with it. Much better built than the 570s and excellent cabin ergonomics. The 750s is wildly powerful and closer to the 765LT than the 720s…I’d happily have one.
Streetbeat said:
Whats your comparison point to the 750s being too highly priced and who else is making a sub 200k junior ice supercar?
I never said too highly priced, just high price point. I think 750s are great value, but they are too expensive for me.
I don't care about who else is making one, I want a Mclaren
targarama said:
This topic was triggered by an email from Mclaren this morning telling me about their new WEC hypercar. Awesome, but that's not going to keep the company afloat. Why is Mclaren's sports car range so woeful? I am in a position to buy my next Mclaren, but ...
750S - awesome but high price point/supercar
Artura - great car but not a replacement for the successful 570 series, plus nobody wants a secondhand hybrid super car (same problem for the Italian supercar manufacturers)
Where is their sub £200k ICE junior supercar? Are there even plans to make one?
I think I may end up in a 570 or 650 spider at this rate.
Yours frustratingly...
Woeful.... bit strong perhaps when Artura and 750 (and 720 for that matter) are winning rave reviews. I don't see a better range from a competitor.750S - awesome but high price point/supercar
Artura - great car but not a replacement for the successful 570 series, plus nobody wants a secondhand hybrid super car (same problem for the Italian supercar manufacturers)
Where is their sub £200k ICE junior supercar? Are there even plans to make one?
I think I may end up in a 570 or 650 spider at this rate.
Yours frustratingly...
A 570 or 650 are great cars, but both of the above are a level above, as reflected in cost and capability.
Customers will always buy what you don't have, my old gaffer used to say - frustratedly.
I think given the amount prices have gone up by, a (new) 200k car is just not really a supercar anymore. I just specced a 911 Targa 4 GTS for fun to check - it was very close to 200k GBP with the options I chose (higher quality leather, CCBs, driver assistance stuff) and by ticking more boxes I think it would have been 200k [e.g. a PTS colour would have gotten it to >200k]. So I am not entirely surprised, McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini have moved the price points upwards given the number of cars the produce per year.
targarama said:
This topic was triggered by an email from Mclaren this morning telling me about their new WEC hypercar. Awesome, but that's not going to keep the company afloat. Why is Mclaren's sports car range so woeful? I am in a position to buy my next Mclaren, but ...
750S - awesome but high price point/supercar
Artura - great car but not a replacement for the successful 570 series, plus nobody wants a secondhand hybrid super car (same problem for the Italian supercar manufacturers)
Where is their sub £200k ICE junior supercar? Are there even plans to make one?
I think I may end up in a 570 or 650 spider at this rate.
Yours frustratingly...
We live in a world where an M5 touring is £115k and an MX5 is £38k.750S - awesome but high price point/supercar
Artura - great car but not a replacement for the successful 570 series, plus nobody wants a secondhand hybrid super car (same problem for the Italian supercar manufacturers)
Where is their sub £200k ICE junior supercar? Are there even plans to make one?
I think I may end up in a 570 or 650 spider at this rate.
Yours frustratingly...
A 570s started at £150k in 2015. Thats £210k in todays money according to BoE.
Add in all the new ADAS, other safety equipment, screens, connectivity, expected luxury items & tax and I bet a new 570s today would be £250k minimum.
Normal 911's up to £150k, £200k will get you a base Turbo S then a jump to £250k for a base Amalfi. A McLaren GTS or Huracan can still be bought for around £200k ish, but these are previous gen run out cars without much of the tech. Look how Porsche are struggling to make a Boxster. When they do, finally, its going to be £100k+. They could not make the 718 platform conform to current legislation.
Making limited numbers of cars but still having to comply with all the legislation of a VW Golf is not cheap. Spreading all those costs over 3,000 cars instead of 3,000,000 has a big impact.
In 2001 my mother bought a new Micra for £4,995. Thats £9,500 today. The cheapest new Micra today is £23,000. Thats how much prices have moved on.
Bispal said:
We live in a world where an M5 touring is £115k and an MX5 is £38k.
A 570s started at £150k in 2015. Thats £210k in todays money according to BoE.
Add in all the new ADAS, other safety equipment, screens, connectivity, expected luxury items & tax and I bet a new 570s today would be £250k minimum.
Normal 911's up to £150k, £200k will get you a base Turbo S then a jump to £250k for a base Amalfi. A McLaren GTS or Huracan can still be bought for around £200k ish, but these are previous gen run out cars without much of the tech. Look how Porsche are struggling to make a Boxster. When they do, finally, its going to be £100k+. They could not make the 718 platform conform to current legislation.
Making limited numbers of cars but still having to comply with all the legislation of a VW Golf is not cheap. Spreading all those costs over 3,000 cars instead of 3,000,000 has a big impact.
In 2001 my mother bought a new Micra for £4,995. Thats £9,500 today. The cheapest new Micra today is £23,000. Thats how much prices have moved on.
Yep… in summary £250k is the new £150k and new cars in this sector offer nothing better than previous models (setting aside bhp increases which are irrelevant for road cars). In fact I’m finding new car offer less then previous models and hence I’ve given up trying to find a replacement for my 812.A 570s started at £150k in 2015. Thats £210k in todays money according to BoE.
Add in all the new ADAS, other safety equipment, screens, connectivity, expected luxury items & tax and I bet a new 570s today would be £250k minimum.
Normal 911's up to £150k, £200k will get you a base Turbo S then a jump to £250k for a base Amalfi. A McLaren GTS or Huracan can still be bought for around £200k ish, but these are previous gen run out cars without much of the tech. Look how Porsche are struggling to make a Boxster. When they do, finally, its going to be £100k+. They could not make the 718 platform conform to current legislation.
Making limited numbers of cars but still having to comply with all the legislation of a VW Golf is not cheap. Spreading all those costs over 3,000 cars instead of 3,000,000 has a big impact.
In 2001 my mother bought a new Micra for £4,995. Thats £9,500 today. The cheapest new Micra today is £23,000. Thats how much prices have moved on.
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