Wortec ECU tuning?
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Saw a post from Wortec saying that they now offer ECU tuning. They're working with someone called HP Tuners.
Any thoughts on Wortec's capabilities vs. Life110 (who work with Active Motion in France) or Litchfield? Wortec's torque seems to be more conservative than others'?
Any thoughts on Wortec's capabilities vs. Life110 (who work with Active Motion in France) or Litchfield? Wortec's torque seems to be more conservative than others'?
From what I've heard, Wortec are concentrating more on driveability rather than chasing numbers, trying to create a more linear power delivery feel, improve throttle response as well as be sympathetic to the hardware for future longevity & reliability.
A refreshing approach in my mind and feedback from the 'beta testers' has been very good.
A refreshing approach in my mind and feedback from the 'beta testers' has been very good.
If it helps at all, I have a Life map and will be changing over to the Wortec one very soon.
The driveability of the Life one is ok but somewhat unrefined. I have a good understanding of the work Paul has gone to and how he is achieving what he is. It is a far better and much more detailed design than the Life one and will offer a much better driving experience.
The driveability of the Life one is ok but somewhat unrefined. I have a good understanding of the work Paul has gone to and how he is achieving what he is. It is a far better and much more detailed design than the Life one and will offer a much better driving experience.
Leck3000 said:
If it helps at all, I have a Life map and will be changing over to the Wortec one very soon.
The driveability of the Life one is ok but somewhat unrefined. I have a good understanding of the work Paul has gone to and how he is achieving what he is. It is a far better and much more detailed design than the Life one and will offer a much better driving experience.
Please inform us once you started to drive the car with the Wortec ECU.The driveability of the Life one is ok but somewhat unrefined. I have a good understanding of the work Paul has gone to and how he is achieving what he is. It is a far better and much more detailed design than the Life one and will offer a much better driving experience.
Assuming this was tested on a pre-2022 S wih the 292bhp tune it's interesting that the torque figure on the standard map (268lb/ft) was so far above the quoted manufacturer's figure of 236lb/ft..
Are the quoted figures very conservative or had this car already had some kind of torque optimising map applied?
Also is it normal to run the modified map first, then revert back to standard for the comparison on a dyno (check the timestamps..)?
Are the quoted figures very conservative or had this car already had some kind of torque optimising map applied?
Also is it normal to run the modified map first, then revert back to standard for the comparison on a dyno (check the timestamps..)?
MaFue said:
Assuming this was tested on a pre-2022 S wih the 292bhp tune it's interesting that the torque figure on the standard map (268lb/ft) was so far above the quoted manufacturer's figure of 236lb/ft..
Are the quoted figures very conservative or had this car already had some kind of torque optimising map applied?
Also is it normal to run the modified map first, then revert back to standard for the comparison on a dyno (check the timestamps..)?
Yes I noticed that but considering how much testing they have done I wouldn't be surprised if they just reverted back to factory once the final version was done. It also would mean that the testing conditions would be the same.Are the quoted figures very conservative or had this car already had some kind of torque optimising map applied?
Also is it normal to run the modified map first, then revert back to standard for the comparison on a dyno (check the timestamps..)?
From what I understand, the factory figures can be quite conservative
Very interesting and refreshing approach Wortec have take with this ( as they seem to with most of their Alpine upgrades IMHO ).
To my mind, on a typical British B road, improvements in throttle response and general drivability will be far more tangible than just a glug of extra power.
They held an open day about a year ago but it was before I took delivery of my car so I didn't attend, wish they would hold another one this year to show off their exhaust and this new map as I'm interested in both products.
To my mind, on a typical British B road, improvements in throttle response and general drivability will be far more tangible than just a glug of extra power.
They held an open day about a year ago but it was before I took delivery of my car so I didn't attend, wish they would hold another one this year to show off their exhaust and this new map as I'm interested in both products.
Although other remaps seem to give more midrange, this seems to give a wider span of power - picking up from 2000 and pulling all the way to 6500 - which few seem to. I rather like the look of it.
I wonder if the figures were with a standard exhaust or their replacement.
What does it cost - and where can you get it done?
I wonder if the figures were with a standard exhaust or their replacement.
What does it cost - and where can you get it done?
It's advertised for £765+VAT which includes the hardware to upload the map from an app (I understand this downloads the current map on the car which they then change and send back, together with the cars original OEM map), so the map can be uploaded (or changed back to standard) in minutes from the app.
Using this method, the end user can do it at home.
Using this method, the end user can do it at home.
Leck3000 said:
If it helps at all, I have a Life map and will be changing over to the Wortec one very soon.
The driveability of the Life one is ok but somewhat unrefined. I have a good understanding of the work Paul has gone to and how he is achieving what he is. It is a far better and much more detailed design than the Life one and will offer a much better driving experience.
I was all set to do the same, keen to have the cold start mapped out as I have their sports exhaust. Also very keen on the HP Tuners app for track data. However the challenge is that the car needs to be reverted to the OEM map first, understandable as I know Paul has had issues with mapped cars, but it's an extra consideration and cost.The driveability of the Life one is ok but somewhat unrefined. I have a good understanding of the work Paul has gone to and how he is achieving what he is. It is a far better and much more detailed design than the Life one and will offer a much better driving experience.
SpudLink said:
Obviously I should ask Wortec, but I would assume the ECU map would have the same effect on the base 252bhp engine. As I understand it the engine is mechanically identical.
They sent me the press release. Yes, the map will give the base car the same power as the S and GT. Also…
WORTEC said:
Another, often discussed feature of the A110, is the so called "pops and bangs". This fabricated effect does not add anything to performance, and in real terms reduces throttle response. As standard this effect is removed from the ‘Essential pac’. But what still remains is the natural sound on the overrun in a more pleasing way.
I like that. I’ve gotten used to the ‘programmed’ sound effects, but would be happy to get rid of them. I have messaged David already and he was happy to revert to OE map, he will have taken and saved a copy when originally applying the map.
I did have an after thought that surely with the remote gizmo from Wortec that if David sent me my OE map then it could be applied without the need to go see him. Alternatively it could be sent to Wortec for them to allow it to be uploaded or they just work straight from it. All just ideas awaiting confirmation from Anneliese but will report back later once they have responded.
I did have an after thought that surely with the remote gizmo from Wortec that if David sent me my OE map then it could be applied without the need to go see him. Alternatively it could be sent to Wortec for them to allow it to be uploaded or they just work straight from it. All just ideas awaiting confirmation from Anneliese but will report back later once they have responded.
Leck3000 said:
I have messaged David already and he was happy to revert to OE map, he will have taken and saved a copy when originally applying the map.
I did have an after thought that surely with the remote gizmo from Wortec that if David sent me my OE map then it could be applied without the need to go see him. Alternatively it could be sent to Wortec for them to allow it to be uploaded or they just work straight from it. All just ideas awaiting confirmation from Anneliese but will report back later once they have responded.
Interesting, keep us posted. I've reached out to Dave too, but due at Wortec net week for some other stuff so didn't think I'd have time to have the OEM map applied. May be an option, or go down the remote application route.I did have an after thought that surely with the remote gizmo from Wortec that if David sent me my OE map then it could be applied without the need to go see him. Alternatively it could be sent to Wortec for them to allow it to be uploaded or they just work straight from it. All just ideas awaiting confirmation from Anneliese but will report back later once they have responded.
Wortec essential pack installed. As per usual their attention to detail is amazing, it took over a year of development before release. This was not an exercise in chasing HP but aimed at getting the most out of the car. The results are a car that drives like a sports car should, normal mode is now exciting, pops and bangs gone, replaced with a gentle burbling! Driving requires a bit of adjustment, the car coasts now when you lift off rather than slowing down quickly, there is no drop off in power after 3,500 rpm the more you press the throttle the more power you get, all the way up to 6,900 rpm. There is no gearbox remap, yet, but it doesn’t need it as the reprogramming provides more accurate info to the gear box resulting in smooth immediate changes. In addition the provision of a remote tuning dongle means you can switch between your original OEM eco or the essential pack at home. Significant reduction in EGT especially if combined with one of their exhausts. Highly recommend owners try this if you’re wanting to improve your Alpine
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