Tourettes and the BAFTAs
Discussion
I couldn't see another thread on this topic, apologies if I've missed it.
Is it just me or are a few people trying hard to take offence here then struggling with the logic of how/why?
A bloke shouted the N word, but it wasn't in his control. So they can't blame him. But the N word was heard, it's an offensive word, therefore someone's head must roll.
It feels like most people understand the why, and have moved on but the BBC now seems to be trying to find a reason to cancel itself over it.
About ten years ago my local BBC radio station interviewed a lady with tourettes, live, at lunchtime, and quite rightly they didn't censor her. Just a word occasionally to explain to listeners just tuning in as to why they had heard the word "
" at 1pm on a Tuesday. I don't know if anyone complained but I certainly didn't see anyone getting worked into a froth about it.
Is it just me or are a few people trying hard to take offence here then struggling with the logic of how/why?
A bloke shouted the N word, but it wasn't in his control. So they can't blame him. But the N word was heard, it's an offensive word, therefore someone's head must roll.
It feels like most people understand the why, and have moved on but the BBC now seems to be trying to find a reason to cancel itself over it.
About ten years ago my local BBC radio station interviewed a lady with tourettes, live, at lunchtime, and quite rightly they didn't censor her. Just a word occasionally to explain to listeners just tuning in as to why they had heard the word "
" at 1pm on a Tuesday. I don't know if anyone complained but I certainly didn't see anyone getting worked into a froth about it.Seeing some of the attitudes towards John from many online about how he must have "secretly wanted" to shout it is vile and the whole oppression hierarchy of the 'Be kind' brigade is showing just how manufactured it all is.
They were all told from the outset John was in the audience, they are awarding a film based on his life story about how hard its been having this issue and the minute the he does the expected of saying the worst thing he could at the worst time (given what his Tourette makes him do) he even said "F the queen" to her face as he was getting an award, if she could take that, i feel the online community would be more understanding.
it seems not though and i've seen everything from he should apologise for being racist to he should have been put in a room on his own as to not cause offence.
Jesus wept i've seen a lot of aholes come out the woodwork stating Johns disability doesn't excuse saying the dreaded word.
They were all told from the outset John was in the audience, they are awarding a film based on his life story about how hard its been having this issue and the minute the he does the expected of saying the worst thing he could at the worst time (given what his Tourette makes him do) he even said "F the queen" to her face as he was getting an award, if she could take that, i feel the online community would be more understanding.
it seems not though and i've seen everything from he should apologise for being racist to he should have been put in a room on his own as to not cause offence.
Jesus wept i've seen a lot of a
holes come out the woodwork stating Johns disability doesn't excuse saying the dreaded word. Yep all blown out or proportion they were pre-warned as I'm sure the Queen was prior to giving John his MBE. I highly doubt she was offended when he said 'F*** the Queen' and quite likely had a bit of a chuckle about it afterwards. A Quick google show John recalling she was fine and even commented that she 'get the boys to show her his documentaries'
Jamie Foxx commenting he meant it is ridiculous he should go and watch the film which is absolutely brilliant.
I'll end with (in a scottish accent) "Jamie's fox's Dog has got Tets!!!"
Jamie Foxx commenting he meant it is ridiculous he should go and watch the film which is absolutely brilliant.
I'll end with (in a scottish accent) "Jamie's fox's Dog has got Tets!!!"
Yeah, thats the BBC, who will then play all manner of music that contains the word, drama that includes it but I guess race trumps disability
"Well, he was a white bloke, must be using that as an excuse to shout the N word at the top of his voice, because thats obviously what every white bloke is itching to do"
"Well, he was a white bloke, must be using that as an excuse to shout the N word at the top of his voice, because thats obviously what every white bloke is itching to do"
Rick_1138 said:
Seeing some of the attitudes towards John from many online about how he must have "secretly wanted" to shout it is vile and the whole oppression hierarchy of the 'Be kind' brigade is showing just how manufactured it all is.
They were all told from the outset John was in the audience, they are awarding a film based on his life story about how hard its been having this issue and the minute the he does the expected of saying the worst thing he could at the worst time (given what his Tourette makes him do) he even said "F the queen" to her face as he was getting an award, if she could take that, i feel the online community would be more understanding.
it seems not though and i've seen everything from he should apologise for being racist to he should have been put in a room on his own as to not cause offence.
Jesus wept i've seen a lot of aholes come out the woodwork stating Johns disability doesn't excuse saying the dreaded word.
The Twitter idiots remain Twitter idiots. They were all told from the outset John was in the audience, they are awarding a film based on his life story about how hard its been having this issue and the minute the he does the expected of saying the worst thing he could at the worst time (given what his Tourette makes him do) he even said "F the queen" to her face as he was getting an award, if she could take that, i feel the online community would be more understanding.
it seems not though and i've seen everything from he should apologise for being racist to he should have been put in a room on his own as to not cause offence.
Jesus wept i've seen a lot of a
holes come out the woodwork stating Johns disability doesn't excuse saying the dreaded word. It is however worth questioning if the BBC should have edited it out. There was a time delay before broadcast after all.
Professional victims.
People are missing a pretty basic distinction. One comment was made on stage, into a microphone, by someone being broadcast. The other came from the audience. Of course one is easier and more reasonable to mute than the other.
The idea that John “wanted” to say it or had control over it is simply wrong. That’s not how Tourette’s works. You can acknowledge that the word is offensive without rewriting the situation as deliberate intent.
Be angry with the BBC, be angry with BAFTA for not warning the presenters he was in attendance. but the online pile-on and moral grandstanding afterwards has been far more absurd than the incident itself.
I really feel for John in what was supposed to be a career and life highlight has now become this. Whatever this is. Disgusting.
People are missing a pretty basic distinction. One comment was made on stage, into a microphone, by someone being broadcast. The other came from the audience. Of course one is easier and more reasonable to mute than the other.
The idea that John “wanted” to say it or had control over it is simply wrong. That’s not how Tourette’s works. You can acknowledge that the word is offensive without rewriting the situation as deliberate intent.
Be angry with the BBC, be angry with BAFTA for not warning the presenters he was in attendance. but the online pile-on and moral grandstanding afterwards has been far more absurd than the incident itself.
I really feel for John in what was supposed to be a career and life highlight has now become this. Whatever this is. Disgusting.
Maybe they should have edited it out, maybe not. I m not sure. To leave it in is to leave in offence language. To remove it is to edit out the existence of a person.
The offence, however, especially from the famous faces getting coverage, is what we should be upset and offended about. The fact that they are making such a fuss about an involuntary tic shows how little understanding and acceptance there is of disability. The likes of Jamie Foxx have lost all right to talk about discrimination of any type.
The offence, however, especially from the famous faces getting coverage, is what we should be upset and offended about. The fact that they are making such a fuss about an involuntary tic shows how little understanding and acceptance there is of disability. The likes of Jamie Foxx have lost all right to talk about discrimination of any type.
NuckyThompson said:
Yep all blown out or proportion they were pre-warned as I'm sure the Queen was prior to giving John his MBE. I highly doubt she was offended when he said 'F*** the Queen' and quite likely had a bit of a chuckle about it afterwards. A Quick google show John recalling she was fine and even commented that she 'get the boys to show her his documentaries'
Jamie Foxx commenting he meant it is ridiculous he should go and watch the film which is absolutely brilliant.
I'll end with (in a scottish accent) "Jamie's fox's Dog has got Tets!!!"
Foxx is crazy with his commentary.Jamie Foxx commenting he meant it is ridiculous he should go and watch the film which is absolutely brilliant.
I'll end with (in a scottish accent) "Jamie's fox's Dog has got Tets!!!"
He stars in a movie where the word is said hundreds of times by white people and hes absolutely fine with it for a few million quid, but this guy says it once due to a disability - unacceptable.
Idiot.
It's nuanced I think.
If you have Tourette's should people be understanding that this kind of thing can happen? Yes.
If you're a black person should you be able to appear on stage and on national television without being called the N word? Yes.
Which of those two things takes precedence? I have no idea how you work that out but I lean towards the latter.
In an ideal world would the BBC have caught it in production and edited it out? I think so yes.
Are all of those things mutually exclusive? I don't think so. It's not quite as simple as it's being made out to be in some quarters IMO.
If you have Tourette's should people be understanding that this kind of thing can happen? Yes.
If you're a black person should you be able to appear on stage and on national television without being called the N word? Yes.
Which of those two things takes precedence? I have no idea how you work that out but I lean towards the latter.
In an ideal world would the BBC have caught it in production and edited it out? I think so yes.
Are all of those things mutually exclusive? I don't think so. It's not quite as simple as it's being made out to be in some quarters IMO.
butchstewie said:
It's nuanced I think.
If you have Tourette's should people be understanding that this kind of thing can happen? Yes.
If you're a black person should you be able to appear on stage and on national television without being called the N word? Yes.
Which of those two things takes precedence? I have no idea how you work that out but I lean towards the latter.
In an ideal world would the BBC have caught it in production and edited it out? I think so yes.
Are all of those things mutually exclusive? I don't think so. It's not quite as simple as it's being made out to be in some quarters IMO.
You have no idea how to work out which takes precedence? If you have Tourette's should people be understanding that this kind of thing can happen? Yes.
If you're a black person should you be able to appear on stage and on national television without being called the N word? Yes.
Which of those two things takes precedence? I have no idea how you work that out but I lean towards the latter.
In an ideal world would the BBC have caught it in production and edited it out? I think so yes.
Are all of those things mutually exclusive? I don't think so. It's not quite as simple as it's being made out to be in some quarters IMO.
Here's a hint, one side of the debate has a medical condition that they cannot control.
That you prefer to prioritise the feelings of people who can control the offence TAKEN, not given, is entirely unsurprising.
Nice helping of "why wasn't the disabled person censored properly?" too. What fantastic optics at an event featuring something to raise the awareness of the condition - they do not get empathy, they get censorship.
Disgusting honestly, grubby state of it etc
butchstewie said:
Which of those two things takes precedence? I have no idea how you work that out but I lean towards the latter.
The former is an uncontrollable medical condition.The latter is choosing to get upset by a word with no intent behind it.
Should we discriminate against the disabled because their existence might make some people upset?
I note that most of the upset is coming from people utterly ignorant of the details, choosing to pile in and be seen to be outraged. Especially Foxx, who has put a particularly stupid American interpretation onto it.
p1stonhead said:
NuckyThompson said:
Yep all blown out or proportion they were pre-warned as I'm sure the Queen was prior to giving John his MBE. I highly doubt she was offended when he said 'F*** the Queen' and quite likely had a bit of a chuckle about it afterwards. A Quick google show John recalling she was fine and even commented that she 'get the boys to show her his documentaries'
Jamie Foxx commenting he meant it is ridiculous he should go and watch the film which is absolutely brilliant.
I'll end with (in a scottish accent) "Jamie's fox's Dog has got Tets!!!"
Foxx is crazy with his commentary.Jamie Foxx commenting he meant it is ridiculous he should go and watch the film which is absolutely brilliant.
I'll end with (in a scottish accent) "Jamie's fox's Dog has got Tets!!!"
He stars in a movie where the word is said hundreds of times by white people and hes absolutely fine with it for a few million quid, but this guy says it once due to a disability - unacceptable.
Idiot.
t the day after, if he read some of the reaction. I hope he’s seen all the positive things said about him. NuckyThompson said:
Yep all blown out or proportion they were pre-warned as I'm sure the Queen was prior to giving John his MBE. I highly doubt she was offended when he said 'F*** the Queen' and quite likely had a bit of a chuckle about it afterwards. A Quick google show John recalling she was fine and even commented that she 'get the boys to show her his documentaries'
Jamie Foxx commenting he meant it is ridiculous he should go and watch the film which is absolutely brilliant.
I'll end with (in a scottish accent) "Jamie's fox's Dog has got Tets!!!"
It's pronounced....... Yur dugs got tits. Mind you I'm not entirely sure if a Scottish accent is the best for having Tourette's (as its very natural sounding when brandishing obscenities) or the worst (because it sounds aggressive as fJamie Foxx commenting he meant it is ridiculous he should go and watch the film which is absolutely brilliant.
I'll end with (in a scottish accent) "Jamie's fox's Dog has got Tets!!!"
k). The mans a national treasure, to be quite frank I got fed up with ignorant w
k stains on social media claiming it was on purpose. Faux outrage and stupidity mainly. fk them. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff