Attempt to modernise NS&I has been a full-spectrum disaster
Attempt to modernise NS&I has been a full-spectrum disaster
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butchstewie

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64,032 posts

233 months

Saturday 14th February
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Another messed up project.

Attempt to modernise NS&I has been a ‘full-spectrum disaster’, MPs find

Three billion quid so far yikes

Eric Mc

124,754 posts

288 months

Saturday 14th February
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Details?

Links?

wc98

12,236 posts

163 months

Saturday 14th February
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Who the hell did they get in to run the project, the SNP ? How does any organisation, public or private get to spend billions but can't tell you exactly how much they have spent ? The people bunging them another 109 mil aren't too bright either.

JoshSm

3,367 posts

60 months

Saturday 14th February
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What exactly was so special, complex & expensive about their systems compared to other similar organisations?

In many ways you'd expect their requirement to be simpler than their peers?

Is it another one of those cases of non-commercial types not knowing what they want, organising the contracts in a really stupid way, and no-one being too worried about it as they could always find more cash and shuffle to another seat if it went tits up?

Finance projects are never simple or cheap but this seems like a world class fkup, especially how much cash it seems to have burnt on apparently not very much.

Sway

33,453 posts

217 months

Saturday 14th February
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Considering how fking ridiculously awful public sector procurement and contracts management is, the idea of swapping a single source comprehensive contract with multiple small contracts (relying on competence from the client in managing and organising everything, as well as clear solution architecture) is the first red flag.

First thing I'd do when the country realises it'd be better off with me as a benign dictator, would be to sack off all the current supply chain management staff in the public sector and replace them with ones from the supermarkets.

Oh, and ban Fujitsu, Crapita and the rest from ever tendering for public sector contracts again.

Sporky

10,340 posts

87 months

Saturday 14th February
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Eric Mc said:
Details?

Links?
There's a link in the OP.

wc98

12,236 posts

163 months

Saturday 14th February
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Sway said:
Considering how fking ridiculously awful public sector procurement and contracts management is, the idea of swapping a single source comprehensive contract with multiple small contracts (relying on competence from the client in managing and organising everything, as well as clear solution architecture) is the first red flag.

First thing I'd do when the country realises it'd be better off with me as a benign dictator, would be to sack off all the current supply chain management staff in the public sector and replace them with ones from the supermarkets.

Oh, and ban Fujitsu, Crapita and the rest from ever tendering for public sector contracts again.
You got my vote, although i would go much, much further than banning Fujitsu and Crapita. Fujitsu senior management should all be in jail and those chippy jumped up fannies they employed as so called security, one scouse fanny in particular needs beaten profusely. If any of those Postmasters had been my parents there are a few of them that wouldn't be breathing now.

Bluevanman

9,285 posts

216 months

Saturday 14th February
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Sporky said:
There's a link in the OP.
Behind a paywall

wc98

12,236 posts

163 months

Saturday 14th February
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Bluevanman said:
Sporky said:
There's a link in the OP.
Behind a paywall
confused It's the Guardian, it's not behind a paywall. Just click the down arrow to drop the request for donations and you can read the article for free.

tumble dryer

2,273 posts

150 months

Saturday 14th February
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Bluevanman said:
Sporky said:
There's a link in the OP.
Behind a paywall
Click the right hand side arrow down to reveal the story.

Bluevanman

9,285 posts

216 months

Saturday 14th February
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wc98 said:
confused It's the Guardian, it's not behind a paywall. Just click the down arrow to drop the request for donations and you can read the article for free.
Oh right,just saw the sign in and assumed you needed an account of some sort.
Cheers

Actual

1,567 posts

129 months

Saturday 14th February
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Is the modernisation specifically an IT and computer issue or is the more to it?

I find the Premium Bonds website and app to be good for my needs and it caters for multiple bond holder numbers and power of attorney doner accounts. Once a month we stay awake to just past midnight to see who won the most. Lots of fun.

Similarly for the savings side although my experience is limited.

This could be a controversial view but possibly there are advantages if a government spends £3bn as all that cash goes though the economy and funds a lot of spending and selling which is better than just paying benefits so does it really matter?

Hill92

5,193 posts

213 months

KAgantua

5,095 posts

154 months

Wednesday 18th February
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butchstewie said:
Another messed up project.

Attempt to modernise NS&I has been a full-spectrum disaster , MPs find

Three billion quid so far yikes
Jesus its just a bank not a big one either. Not a DB or JPM

3 billion quid to replace an incumbent supplier!!!
Whoever signed that off should be shot

cirian75

5,206 posts

256 months

Wednesday 18th February
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And the same people want us to trust and use Digital ID?

Crudeoink

1,271 posts

82 months

Wednesday 18th February
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How does this sort of thing routinely happen time and time again? Cost spirals from £1,300,000,000 to £3,000,000,000 with £43,000,000 spent on consultants that clearly didnt consult very well, now the project needs £109,000,000 to carry on despite not knowing how much money has been spent to date? How many potholes could have been fixed for 3B quid, a quick search indicates the average pothole repair costs just under £90 meaning we could have repaired 33M potholes for the same money as these muppets have spent on updating NS&I with no idea of the actual figure and no idea of how much more they'll need. banghead

55palfers

6,248 posts

187 months

Wednesday 18th February
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No one ever gets sacked do they......

Imagine this cost over run at your place of work.

GadgeS3C

4,717 posts

187 months

Wednesday 18th February
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55palfers said:
No one ever gets sacked do they......

Imagine this cost over run at your place of work.
It would no longer be the place of work for whomever was running that project.

Skodillac

8,873 posts

53 months

Wednesday 18th February
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Sway said:
First thing I'd do when the country realises it'd be better off with me as a benign dictator, would be to sack off all the current supply chain management staff in the public sector and replace them with ones from the supermarkets.
Yes because people experienced in getting cheap baked beans are always the right sort of folk to sort out contracts for essential Defence and National Security infrastructure and materiel.

Common sense, innit. Vote Reform and we will make all your wildest dreams come true.

greygoose

9,366 posts

218 months

Wednesday 18th February
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Skodillac said:
Sway said:
First thing I'd do when the country realises it'd be better off with me as a benign dictator, would be to sack off all the current supply chain management staff in the public sector and replace them with ones from the supermarkets.
Yes because people experienced in getting cheap baked beans are always the right sort of folk to sort out contracts for essential Defence and National Security infrastructure and materiel.

Common sense, innit. Vote Reform and we will make all your wildest dreams come true.
Not sure the recent IT issues with M&S and the Co-Op mean that they are ideal IT procurement specialists……