RE: BMW 325ti (E46) | PH Fleet
RE: BMW 325ti (E46) | PH Fleet
Wednesday 11th February

BMW 325ti (E46) | PH Fleet

An MOT shouldn't be a big deal - should it?


There are two little plaques under the bonnet of UGB that, among other information, give you its colour and date of manufacture. They are Japanrot and February 2003, meaning my dorky little BMW is 23 years old this month. Or just two more years off ‘proper classic’ status, in my eyes, which feels quite surprising. To my mind, a classic is something saved for best, which requires a bit of effort to drive and some careful maintenance as well - none of those are true for the BMW (a little bit of top-up Castrol aside), and shouldn’t be for a long time yet. It’s used whenever and wherever; with phone hooked up and refinement good, it feels more modern than you’d think. 

Probably cars have just become an awful lot better in the past 25 years (until about the last five, it seems), and my framing of an old car is woefully inaccurate. I never really think of the Compact as particularly senior because it works so well all the time. Where it feels classic are only positives: visibility, sound, feel, that sort of thing. 

But even I must admit, when the weather is Ark-spec and the gloom is unrelenting, a car from 2003 does feel its age a little. The vulnerability is unavoidable against monster SUVs on the motorway while scurrying along much lower to the road, wondering if they’ve seen you. Look at the picture with the Grenadier for proof; the bonnet is about the same height as the Ineos towbar.

In the past few weeks, both headlights and foglights have been replaced, but even new halogens can’t compete with the very best Matrix OLED Super Nimbus 2000s of most modern stuff. And which so often seem right at eye level coming the other way. Obviously the ventilation isn’t the best in the world, and a little bit of moisture seems to be getting in as well. The stuff you don’t really think about tearing off to N24 in June does become a little more pressing on the nursery run in January. And does make getting something newer more tempting. How did we ever live without heated seats? 

I promise I’m only being slightly soft. When not being blinded by oncoming traffic or wiping the inside of the windscreen with a demisting pad like my nan had, the Compact remains a joy. It treads a really nice line, for me at least, of requiring some concentration and offering some feedback without being some kind of sensory overload. The steering, as is so often the case with slightly older stuff, is a revelation compared to new cars. 

Expenditure since Christmas has been for a new oxygen sensor, a small service ahead of a Yorkshire road trip next month, and an MOT. One day, I’ll have a car that I’m confident going to the test station with; suffice it to say a 23-year-old, 162,000-mile BMW is not one of them. But I needn’t have worried, the Compact sailing through first time with only advisories for an oil leak (which I knew about) and the fact that it was so ruddy wet on test day. So there might have been some things missed, though given this gets fairly regular attention from one garage or another (if only my local did a loyalty scheme) I’d like to think that it’s alright. 

Given a fresh bill of health for a few thousand miles yet (and some super unleaded as a treat), I inevitably began thinking about what could happen to the car over the coming months. In an ideal world, a wheel refurb, a paint detail and a tidy-up of the screen installation would happen, but to some extent that also feels like polishing a turd. The money is surely better put into the savings fund for the next car, because you’re never, ever going to make a Compact - especially one like this - into a desirable, valuable classic BMW. I have to be realistic about that. 

Still, with 12,000 miles now under our belts and the stout old M54 running as well as ever, there’s no desperate hurry to sell. I think. With another baby on the way, something fun and five-door would be nice, because not every family trip needs two-and-a-lot tonnes of Jag EV to complete. Probably it should be an automatic as well, but I really want to keep a manual if at all possible; it’s just where the choice was offered - Golf GTI, M135i, that sort of thing - the autos massively outnumber the manual. And nothing feels very affordable at the moment. Let’s see. At this rate I’ll be keeping old red until it turns 25 anyway… 


FACT SHEET 

Car: 2003 BMW 325ti Compact
Run by: Matt Bird
On fleet since: July 2024
Bought for: £2,999
Mileage: 162,230
Last month at a glance: “Nice motor that, mate” - MOT man

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Iamnotkloot

Original Poster:

1,846 posts

170 months

Thursday 12th February
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Good to see it soldier on. My main car is 26 years old so I share your concerns re MOT day

Firebobby

938 posts

62 months

Thursday 12th February
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Love it! I always used to compare going for an MOT like going to the dentist!!

Earthdweller

17,861 posts

149 months

Thursday 12th February
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Great car, very underated

I def think the 2000''s were the decade when cars peaked

Turbobanana

7,881 posts

224 months

Thursday 12th February
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Matt Prior said:
...where the choice was offered - Golf GTI, M135i, that sort of thing...
Maybe consider cars from other countries? I think PH sometimes goes a bit "German car blind" and forgets that decent offerings exist from manufacturers in Japan, Italy, France etc.

Cryssys

813 posts

61 months

Thursday 12th February
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"The vulnerability is unavoidable against monster SUVs on the motorway while scurrying along much lower to the road, wondering if they’ve seen you."

You think an old 3 series is vulnerable? Try motorway driving in an MX5, Elise or any other two seater come to that.

It's akin to being invisible.

pb8g09

3,014 posts

92 months

Thursday 12th February
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Turbobanana said:
Maybe consider cars from other countries? I think PH sometimes goes a bit "German car blind" and forgets that decent offerings exist from manufacturers in Japan, Italy, France etc.
The trouble is (I know he quoted the Golf) that if you want RWD or 4x4, your options are somewhat limited outside of Germany if you don't want a Jag.

martin12345

953 posts

112 months

Thursday 12th February
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I daily my 2002 Jag XJR thoughout the year as i just like driving it and i bought it to drive, not to be a show car
It's a lovely place to be as you waft along regardless of the weather (with Cross Climates on which seem great BTW)
I spend a moderate amount of money on it each year to keep it "up to scratch" mechanically and the heater of cozy and demists the car just fine since i had the supplementary water pump replaced and the AC re-gassed

Headlamps (other peoples) are just a horror at this time of the year, and to be honest it doesn't matter whether i am in the Jag (low) or the Hilux (tall), i still get intermittently blinded. i really seems the problem is LED headlights and the lighting regulations just weren't written with them in mind and have not kept up with the technology. It genuinely makes me dislike driving at night where i used to enjoy it and talking to younger friends and relatives it afflicts all, not just the old and those that wear glasses. It is frustating that the government needs to take years to do"in depth" studies into the cause of the problem when frankly it's bloody obvious and then getting changes to the UN lighting reg's will also take years and then it will only be implimented on new cars as headlight directly affect vehicle styling

it is a rare case where the autocracy of the chinese goverment allows them to ban things "now" would be an advantage in the west as well. A couple of months ago the chinese goverment banned hidden door handling (the ones that go flush and pop out when you need them) as they don't always pop out in a crash. i have to say "well done" to them for that and wish our government and the EU would do the same thing with the door handles and also ban LED headlights until they can be re-engineered so they don't blind on-coming traffic. (Can't be done retropectively i know, but at least it would stop the problem getting worse which it is year by year at the moment). however, as we live in a democracy (which does have many advantages) it will no doubt take years and years before any thing is done

Bobby Lee

271 posts

78 months

Thursday 12th February
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martin12345 said:
I daily my 2002 Jag XJR thoughout the year as i just like driving it and i bought it to drive, not to be a show car
It's a lovely place to be as you waft along regardless of the weather (with Cross Climates on which seem great BTW)
I spend a moderate amount of money on it each year to keep it "up to scratch" mechanically and the heater of cozy and demists the car just fine since i had the supplementary water pump replaced and the AC re-gassed

Headlamps (other peoples) are just a horror at this time of the year, and to be honest it doesn't matter whether i am in the Jag (low) or the Hilux (tall), i still get intermittently blinded. i really seems the problem is LED headlights and the lighting regulations just weren't written with them in mind and have not kept up with the technology. It genuinely makes me dislike driving at night where i used to enjoy it and talking to younger friends and relatives it afflicts all, not just the old and those that wear glasses. It is frustating that the government needs to take years to do"in depth" studies into the cause of the problem when frankly it's bloody obvious and then getting changes to the UN lighting reg's will also take years and then it will only be implimented on new cars as headlight directly affect vehicle styling

it is a rare case where the autocracy of the chinese goverment allows them to ban things "now" would be an advantage in the west as well. A couple of months ago the chinese goverment banned hidden door handling (the ones that go flush and pop out when you need them) as they don't always pop out in a crash. i have to say "well done" to them for that and wish our government and the EU would do the same thing with the door handles and also ban LED headlights until they can be re-engineered so they don't blind on-coming traffic. (Can't be done retropectively i know, but at least it would stop the problem getting worse which it is year by year at the moment). however, as we live in a democracy (which does have many advantages) it will no doubt take years and years before any thing is done
Ultra strong agree to this comment.

pSyCoSiS

4,162 posts

228 months

Thursday 12th February
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Cool car. And if there are no scary advisories on the MOT, then it's clearly a good 'un.

Nice to see a six-pot one of these.

Roono

60 posts

182 months

Thursday 12th February
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Regards steering, once a week I drive my mum's 2003 Corolla 1.4 wreck. But the hydraulic steering is a dream, you feel everything.
So easy to forget what we have lost with electric racks.
Thankfully the aircon still works great, so you don't get the 'old car can't see out on a wet day' like with anything old and pre-aircon.

Turbobanana

7,881 posts

224 months

Thursday 12th February
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pb8g09 said:
The trouble is (I know he quoted the Golf) that if you want RWD or 4x4, your options are somewhat limited outside of Germany if you don't want a Jag.
Agreed, but there's no mention of RWD or 4x4 as requirements.

I raised it because I may well be in a similar situation later in the year. Turbo Mk2 has passed his test and has assumed control of Mrs Turbo's Fiesta. Mrs Turbo fancies another S-Max for carting her aging folks about (and mine, to be fair). I think I can man-maths my way to a smaller, fun thing for me as we won't need two large cars. Obvious choice = Golf GTI. But...

...Peugeot 308 GTI by Peugeot Sport. Alfa Giulietta. Astra VXR. Various Japanese offerings. They are out there.

I've nothing against German cars (I own one): I just think we get rather blinkered sometimes.

nismo48

6,300 posts

230 months

Thursday 12th February
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pSyCoSiS said:
Cool car. And if there are no scary advisories on the MOT, then it's clearly a good 'un.

Nice to see a six-pot one of these.
It sounds like a good car for day to day stuff.

ST3.14159265358979323846

304 posts

34 months

Thursday 12th February
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It reads as though there are a number of people on here running 2000/01 to ~2016 with few to no issues.

It's a mindset, perform regular maintenance on the machine and it will keep doing what it does. Boredom or shiney are usually the main driver for change.

Galvanised metal has helped greatly.

I daily a 2011 Volvo S60, 115,000 miles, which is nothing. The last HU in November flagged advisories on rear control arm bushes starting to perish, rear discs, that was it. I've seen cars half this age with bigger MOT issues.
Halogen lights are great, £20-30 for a pair of bulbs and ten minutes to change. I don't want to think how much the super duper moonbeam LED units in my 2024 car will be when one fails.

This BMW probably has a good few years left in it.

spreadsheet monkey

4,664 posts

250 months

Thursday 12th February
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Turbobanana said:
Matt Prior said:
...where the choice was offered - Golf GTI, M135i, that sort of thing...
Maybe consider cars from other countries? I think PH sometimes goes a bit "German car blind" and forgets that decent offerings exist from manufacturers in Japan, Italy, France etc.
In the context of the article, "the choice offered" refers to the choice of manual or automatic gearbox.

What Italian, Japanese or French hot hatches were offering the choice of manual or auto in the early 2000s?

Stilo Abarth, Civic Type R, Mazda3 MPS, 306 GTI-6 and RenaultSport Megane were all manual only back then.


GTRene

20,968 posts

247 months

Thursday 12th February
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those are good cars day to day, but yeah I can understand at some point you want to try something else.

You will then have a good example of how such other car at least must be.

btw, I have no idea, how will such 325Ti compare to say the modern M135i

yes more buttons/electronics etc in the newer car, but how will the connection/emotions/drivers feel be compared between those 2?

Mr Tidy

29,449 posts

150 months

Thursday 12th February
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spreadsheet monkey said:
In the context of the article, "the choice offered" refers to the choice of manual or automatic gearbox.

What Italian, Japanese or French hot hatches were offering the choice of manual or auto in the early 2000s?

Stilo Abarth, Civic Type R, Mazda3 MPS, 306 GTI-6 and RenaultSport Megane were all manual only back then.
When I bought mine in 2014 I wanted manual and RWD so there weren't any other options apart from a unicorn spec manual Mercedes C320 or 350 Sports Coupe.



328wagon

41 posts

133 months

Friday 13th February
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I have a 2004 3.0i X3 that's on about 116k and has just been retired from semi-regular service. I love it. Can't bear to part with it. It sounds fantastic, feels lovely to drive and hasn't given me any real issues this far. However the last 12 months little niggles have started appearing. Water in the boot (solved), pixels dying on the factory pop-up screen (not solved), hit and miss error from the steering angle sensor (needs a BMW computer to fix apparently), stuff like that.

I've recently stripped all the brakes as one front caliper was sticking. I also fond the inlet hose off the MAF wasn't actually tight. I re-gassed the air con with a can off eBay which silenced the noisy compressor.

I guess at some point the work that needs doing to it will outweigh any value in the thing, but in the meantime it's not going anywhere.

It's reached 'rolling project' status, and I'm secretly enjoying it 😬

helix403

285 posts

21 months

Friday 13th February
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Check the door membranes are attached re. the possible water leak.

Dave Hedgehog

15,769 posts

227 months

Friday 13th February
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front half looks great, peak BMW design

the rear half always looked to me like it came from a model 2 sizes smaller and they cut n shut the front to the rear

martin12345

953 posts

112 months

Friday 13th February
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328wagon said:
I have a 2004 3.0i X3 that's on about 116k and has just been retired from semi-regular service. I love it. Can't bear to part with it. It sounds fantastic, feels lovely to drive and hasn't given me any real issues this far. However the last 12 months little niggles have started appearing. Water in the boot (solved), pixels dying on the factory pop-up screen (not solved), hit and miss error from the steering angle sensor (needs a BMW computer to fix apparently), stuff like that.

I've recently stripped all the brakes as one front caliper was sticking. I also fond the inlet hose off the MAF wasn't actually tight. I re-gassed the air con with a can off eBay which silenced the noisy compressor.

I guess at some point the work that needs doing to it will outweigh any value in the thing, but in the meantime it's not going anywhere.

It's reached 'rolling project' status, and I'm secretly enjoying it ?
For my 20 year old Jag, i don't think of it in terms of the cost i spend on it to keep it running reliably (£1k to £2k per year) vs it's value (maybe £8k as it is a japanese re-import with a very low rust body for its age). The way i look at it is how much i enjoy driving it against the cost of owning a more modern car that was as enjoyable. in essence i pay for preventative maintainance and fuel (~20mpg) but i don't have any depreciation at all. Overall it is considerably cheaper to run and arguably nicer to drive (it is not as solid as a modern sports saloon, nor quite as fast, but it is reasonably fast (5sec 0-60) and wafty beautifully in a way no modern cars do.

I have definitely spent more on the car keeping it running (including £1500 in one hit when the engien rear oil seal failed) but that doesn't mean i am chucking good money after bad, i am just gently feeding money into an on-going project but with zero depreciation as a reward