Who's coming for a ciggie?
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Looks like they won't be banning smoking in pubs for the forseeable future then...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4327072.stm
[quote=The BBC]
[b]Smoking ban plans to be dropped[/b]
Plans for a partial ban of smoking in pubs, cafes and restaurants in England are set to be dropped.
Ministers had proposed banning smoking in most enclosed public spaces - except where no food was served.
But after consultations, Whitehall sources say the idea is being revisited as it would be too hard to enforce and fails to meet health groups' concerns.
Having separate, enclosed rooms where smoking would be allowed is being mooted as one alternative plan.
Ministers are looking closely at that "smoking carriages" idea, but have not yet agreed on what policy on smoking should be.
Prime Minister Tony Blair is said to want a policy that will be "workable".
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4327072.stm
[quote=The BBC]
[b]Smoking ban plans to be dropped[/b]
Plans for a partial ban of smoking in pubs, cafes and restaurants in England are set to be dropped.
Ministers had proposed banning smoking in most enclosed public spaces - except where no food was served.
But after consultations, Whitehall sources say the idea is being revisited as it would be too hard to enforce and fails to meet health groups' concerns.
Having separate, enclosed rooms where smoking would be allowed is being mooted as one alternative plan.
Ministers are looking closely at that "smoking carriages" idea, but have not yet agreed on what policy on smoking should be.
Prime Minister Tony Blair is said to want a policy that will be "workable".
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New Labour would *love* to ban smoking. Its in their nature. Something Must Be Done!
But all of 'em love their jobs too much to want to be voted out. Sure - the New Middle Class Socially Concious Floating Voter might LOVE the idea but Labour's core voters won't.
In short. If they want to keep their cushy numbers going they'd best drop this now.
But all of 'em love their jobs too much to want to be voted out. Sure - the New Middle Class Socially Concious Floating Voter might LOVE the idea but Labour's core voters won't.
In short. If they want to keep their cushy numbers going they'd best drop this now.
The BBC said:
Smoking ban plans to be dropped
Plans for a partial ban of smoking in pubs, cafes and restaurants in England are set to be dropped.
Ministers had proposed banning smoking in most enclosed public spaces - except where no food was served.
But after consultations, Whitehall sources say the idea is being revisited as it would be too hard to enforce and fails to meet health groups' concerns.
Having separate, enclosed rooms where smoking would be allowed is being mooted as one alternative plan.
Ministers are looking closely at that "smoking carriages" idea, but have not yet agreed on what policy on smoking should be.
Prime Minister Tony Blair is said to want a policy that will be "workable".
My arse, didn't stop em doing it over in Ireland.
More likely they're worried about the lost revenue in taxes that will come about fr omsuch a ban.
silversun said:
And the resulting unpopularity.
I disagree. The smoking ban has totally been forgotten about. As a re-started ex-smoker, I applaud the ban. Resteraunts are wonderful without someone else having their after-dinner smoke while you're still eating. And the craic outside while having a fag is great. Dead easy to chat up the ladies too, as you're all just standing there, and it usually end up all the smokers having such a laugh that the non-smokers come outside too.
Beer gardens have taken off, and this summer there was so many choices of new, heated, BBQ'd beer gardens that you could enjoy an outdoor drink better than ever. I've friends in London who I visit a fair bit, and the pubs there are awful compared to Dublin. Purely for the air.
BliarOut, you have misquoted it, the crucial paragraph is:
Rather than a partial ban only effecting pubs that serve food, they are now planning a total ban
BBC said:
Now they are understood to be looking at banning smoking in all public places - but allowing one enclosed room for smokers, with no bar, food or staff.
Rather than a partial ban only effecting pubs that serve food, they are now planning a total ban
I suspect most pubs would prefer to allow smoking as a large percentage of their clientel do in fact smoke. I'm not so sure whether the increased use of pubs by non-smokers, as a result of banning smoking in pubs, would fully materialise here in England.
I do honestly think that more places should have good non-smoking areas and facilities. Banning smoking altogether in public places wouldn't work here IMHO, but giving everyone a chance to feel comfortable would be a good amicable step forward.
I do honestly think that more places should have good non-smoking areas and facilities. Banning smoking altogether in public places wouldn't work here IMHO, but giving everyone a chance to feel comfortable would be a good amicable step forward.
It's supposeed to be a free country so what's the problem with the owner of the pub/whatever deciding whether to allow smoking or not? Smokers & non-smokers can decide on their own whether to visit or not. Pubs around here advertise as non-smoking establishments & others advertise as smoking. Good luck to both types. What it is these days with people not liking something & insisting on banning it for everybody else?
Much more sensible comments here than the last thread on the topic. Let the market decide. Surely if the majority of pub goers wanted a ban, there would be more voluntarily non smoking pubs, such as the Phoenix in the City of London.
So, provide smoking and non smoking sections, or introduce licensing perhaps. The licensee has to apply for a smoking licence just as they do an alcohol licence. If they have decent air con and filtration, as many modern bars do, they get a licence. Otherwise they don't. How about that.
So, provide smoking and non smoking sections, or introduce licensing perhaps. The licensee has to apply for a smoking licence just as they do an alcohol licence. If they have decent air con and filtration, as many modern bars do, they get a licence. Otherwise they don't. How about that.
munky said:
Much more sensible comments here than the last thread on the topic. Let the market decide. Surely if the majority of pub goers wanted a ban, there would be more voluntarily non smoking pubs, such as the Phoenix in the City of London.
So, provide smoking and non smoking sections, or introduce licensing perhaps. The licensee has to apply for a smoking licence just as they do an alcohol licence. If they have decent air con and filtration, as many modern bars do, they get a licence. Otherwise they don't. How about that.
That's because Brucie's gone
There is no need for legislation, we now have a no smoking pub in town. I wouldn't go there personally, but some do. We need more freedoms, not less.Absolutely, no legislation is better than legislation, but if it is to happen, better to come up with a comprimise than a simple blanket ban.
That's always puzzled me about the USA. Land of the free? Unless you're a smoker (or fancy a holiday in Cuba). In California you can't really smoke anywhere at all it seems. Whereas in Russia, you can smoke anywhere you want, even in the queue for passport control at the airport.
That's always puzzled me about the USA. Land of the free? Unless you're a smoker (or fancy a holiday in Cuba). In California you can't really smoke anywhere at all it seems. Whereas in Russia, you can smoke anywhere you want, even in the queue for passport control at the airport.
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