Rachel Reeves (Vol. 2)

[Scrump]

Continued from here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Digga]

AstonZagato said:

I don't consider ANY news source trustworthy. [b]Anytime I have been intimately involved in a news story, the reporting on it has been so poor that it was a travesty of the truth. Facts were ignored or distorted. Stuff was made up.[b/] I still read/watch the news but I do wonder what is really going on.

I was within the blast zone of the IRA bomb at jct 10 of the M6. The reporting of the incident, at the time, was way off the facts of what actually happened.

TLDR It is only retrospectively that the full facts - there were two actual explosions - of the incident came to light: https://www.expressandstar.com/news/nostalgia/2023...

At the time, there was a lot of nonsense and misreporting, in part because there'd already been a bomb scare at jct 9 days before.

[Slow.Patrol]

I think this should be on the front page as a reference point

https://debt-clock.org/

[snuffy]

Digga said:

In all the chaos of Mandlegate, Rach has snuck through some fierce VED tax hikes for older cars. It is, IMHO, a massive hit on ordinary working people - the sort Labour hate - especially those which lack the support of metropolitan public transport services. Over £700 a year for a Vauxhall Zafira?!

My car is in Band M, it's gone from £735 last year to £760 this year. Which is 3.5%.

Has the band of a Zafira changed by a different percentage then?

[cheesejunkie]

Slow.Patrol said:

I think this should be on the front page as a reference point

https://debt-clock.org/

Who benefited and who should pay it?

[Digga]

snuffy said:

Digga said:

In all the chaos of Mandlegate, Rach has snuck through some fierce VED tax hikes for older cars. It is, IMHO, a massive hit on ordinary working people - the sort Labour hate - especially those which lack the support of metropolitan public transport services. Over £700 a year for a Vauxhall Zafira?!

My car is in Band M, it's gone from £735 last year to £760 this year. Which is 3.5%.

Has the band of a Zafira changed by a different percentage then?

It varies hugely, depending on date of registration, but it means a lot of cars re now worth more than their respective VED and it's hitting motorists on lower budgets far harder.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/38094944/cars-wort...

My old 2007 registered 997 GT3 went up to £760 a year, but the newer 991.2 GT3 RS is only about £200. Okay, so the old car was still worth about £80k, so if you can afford to buy and run it, the VED is not so bad, but a boggo Mondeo or Zafira is not that.

[M1AGM]

Digga said:

snuffy said:

Digga said:

In all the chaos of Mandlegate, Rach has snuck through some fierce VED tax hikes for older cars. It is, IMHO, a massive hit on ordinary working people - the sort Labour hate - especially those which lack the support of metropolitan public transport services. Over £700 a year for a Vauxhall Zafira?!

My car is in Band M, it's gone from £735 last year to £760 this year. Which is 3.5%.

Has the band of a Zafira changed by a different percentage then?

It varies hugely, depending on date of registration, but it means a lot of cars re now worth more than their respective VED and it's hitting motorists on lower budgets far harder.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/38094944/cars-wort...

My old 2007 registered 997 GT3 went up to £760 a year, but the newer 991.2 GT3 RS is only about £200. Okay, so the old car was still worth about £80k, so if you can afford to buy and run it, the VED is not so bad, but a boggo Mondeo or Zafira is not that.

This sort of poorly thought out policy making just encourages non compliance on vehicle taxation. Targets the poor who probably need their vehicles more than the broadest shoulders who can work from home or have their serfs go and run tasks.

They really are inept at everything. It is remarkable.

[emicen]

Digga said:

snuffy said:

Digga said:

In all the chaos of Mandlegate, Rach has snuck through some fierce VED tax hikes for older cars. It is, IMHO, a massive hit on ordinary working people - the sort Labour hate - especially those which lack the support of metropolitan public transport services. Over £700 a year for a Vauxhall Zafira?!

My car is in Band M, it's gone from £735 last year to £760 this year. Which is 3.5%.

Has the band of a Zafira changed by a different percentage then?

It varies hugely, depending on date of registration, but it means a lot of cars re now worth more than their respective VED and it's hitting motorists on lower budgets far harder.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/38094944/cars-wort...

My old 2007 registered 997 GT3 went up to £760 a year, but the newer 991.2 GT3 RS is only about £200. Okay, so the old car was still worth about £80k, so if you can afford to buy and run it, the VED is not so bad, but a boggo Mondeo or Zafira is not that.

But to snuffy’s point, this isn’t a new change as far as I can see.

I’ll admit, I don’t have one in that age range taxed at the moment but my MINI if it was on the road would be Band H. In 2020 it was £240 and currently would be £315, £15 a year increase, roughly 6% which isn’t that different to insurance etc.

It feels like the media are trying to paint this like she’s suddenly doubled or tripled the VED on them. Band M has gone from £580 to £760 over the same 5 years, again, a bit of 6% per year.

[Sway]

In the interests of giving credit where it's due, it appears she's continued the work of Johnson in adjusting the Green Book to further improve the assessment of 'non-London' projects in comparison to the City.

[snuffy]

emicen said:

But to snuffy s point, this isn t a new change as far as I can see.

I ll admit, I don t have one in that age range taxed at the moment but my MINI if it was on the road would be Band H. In 2020 it was £240 and currently would be £315, £15 a year increase, roughly 6% which isn t that different to insurance etc.

It feels like the media are trying to paint this like she s suddenly doubled or tripled the VED on them. Band M has gone from £580 to £760 over the same 5 years, again, a bit of 6% per year.

Yes, that's exactly my point. Cars registered between 2001 and 2015(or 16?) use CO2 bands, so in my car's case, for example, a 2011 Nissan GTR, it's band M, so £760. But a 2016 GTR, which has the same engine, is £200 or whatever.

But that's not down to Rachel. And that is point I was making.

[Digga]

snuffy said:

emicen said:

But to snuffy s point, this isn t a new change as far as I can see.

I ll admit, I don t have one in that age range taxed at the moment but my MINI if it was on the road would be Band H. In 2020 it was £240 and currently would be £315, £15 a year increase, roughly 6% which isn t that different to insurance etc.

It feels like the media are trying to paint this like she s suddenly doubled or tripled the VED on them. Band M has gone from £580 to £760 over the same 5 years, again, a bit of 6% per year.

Yes, that's exactly my point. Cars registered between 2001 and 2015(or 16?) use CO2 bands, so in my car's case, for example, a 2011 Nissan GTR, it's band M, so £760. But a 2016 GTR, which has the same engine, is £200 or whatever.

But that's not down to Rachel. And that is point I was making.

It's impacting right now.

Who's chancellor of the exchequer? Which party is the self-declared party of the working person, even though they are still unable to articulate what actually that constitutes?

[768]

cheesejunkie said:

Slow.Patrol said:

I think this should be on the front page as a reference point

https://debt-clock.org/

Who benefited and who should pay it?

The Reeves and Starmer households.

She's adding something like £100bn pa to the debt just in interest payments, probably more. Who else is benefitting from them splurging on the credit card to that extent?

[Garvin]

Digga said:

snuffy said:

Digga said:

In all the chaos of Mandlegate, Rach has snuck through some fierce VED tax hikes for older cars. It is, IMHO, a massive hit on ordinary working people - the sort Labour hate - especially those which lack the support of metropolitan public transport services. Over £700 a year for a Vauxhall Zafira?!

My car is in Band M, it's gone from £735 last year to £760 this year. Which is 3.5%.

Has the band of a Zafira changed by a different percentage then?

It varies hugely, depending on date of registration, but it means a lot of cars re now worth more than their respective VED and it's hitting motorists on lower budgets far harder.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/38094944/cars-wort...

My old 2007 registered 997 GT3 went up to £760 a year, but the newer 991.2 GT3 RS is only about £200. Okay, so the old car was still worth about £80k, so if you can afford to buy and run it, the VED is not so bad, but a boggo Mondeo or Zafira is not that.

If any tax was ripe for reform and rationalisation, it's VED. The banding and charges make no real sense anymore.

[M1AGM]

Garvin said:

If any tax was ripe for reform and rationalisation, it's VED. The banding and charges make no real sense anymore.

Yes, but after 2 budgets its the tories fault apparently.

[Digga]

M1AGM said:

Garvin said:

If any tax was ripe for reform and rationalisation, it's VED. The banding and charges make no real sense anymore.

Yes, but after 2 budgets its the tories fault apparently.

2 budgets and absolutely the very worst road conditions since the late 19th century.

[Garvin]

Digga said:

M1AGM said:

Garvin said:

If any tax was ripe for reform and rationalisation, it's VED. The banding and charges make no real sense anymore.

Yes, but after 2 budgets its the tories fault apparently.

2 budgets and absolutely the very worst road conditions since the late 19th century.

How is Rach getting on defining the 'charge by mileage' reform rehash?

[snuffy]

M1AGM said:

Garvin said:

If any tax was ripe for reform and rationalisation, it's VED. The banding and charges make no real sense anymore.

Yes, but after 2 budgets its the tories fault apparently.

The tax bands we introduced in 2001, in order to get people to drive lower CO2 emitting cars. And lots of people did, so plenty of people were paying £20 or £30. And then the Government did not like that. So they changed the rates to a flat rate (I think) after 2016.

Labour are not going to reduce the rates for people with cars between 2001 and 2016. They are not going to change Tory tax policies if it means a reduction in the tax take.

[Digga]

snuffy said:

M1AGM said:

Garvin said:

If any tax was ripe for reform and rationalisation, it's VED. The banding and charges make no real sense anymore.

Yes, but after 2 budgets its the tories fault apparently.

The tax bands we introduced in 2001, in order to get people to drive lower CO2 emitting cars. And lots of people did, so plenty of people were paying £20 or £30. And then the Government did not like that. So they changed the rates to a flat rate (I think) after 2016.

Labour are not going to reduce the rates for people with cars between 2001 and 2016. They are not going to change Tory tax policies if it means a reduction in the tax take.

So when the Tories do it, they are heartless and evil, but if Labour are the recipients of tax, then there's no way they'd reverse it and it's all fine?

[TA14]

Digga said:

snuffy said:

M1AGM said:

Garvin said:

If any tax was ripe for reform and rationalisation, it's VED. The banding and charges make no real sense anymore.

Yes, but after 2 budgets its the tories fault apparently.

The tax bands we introduced in 2001, in order to get people to drive lower CO2 emitting cars. And lots of people did, so plenty of people were paying £20 or £30. And then the Government did not like that. So they changed the rates to a flat rate (I think) after 2016.

Labour are not going to reduce the rates for people with cars between 2001 and 2016. They are not going to change Tory tax policies if it means a reduction in the tax take.

So when the Tories do it, they are heartless and evil, but if Labour are the recipients of tax, then there's no way they'd reverse it and it's all fine?

If all cars up to 2017 were on the same £200 rate s those after 2017 would that be a reduction in tax take? Can't be much in it.

[snuffy]

Digga said:

So when the Tories do it, they are heartless and evil, but if Labour are the recipients of tax, then there's no way they'd reverse it and it's all fine?

I never said any of it was fine, I'm saying in the real world, it will not be changed.

It's like people complaining about Net Zero - it was a Tory policy. And yet the Media are blaming Labour for it.

What happens is, the party in opposition will complain about a policy, but when they are then in power, they do not change the policy. Why? Because they actually always agreed with it in the first place, but were never going to admit it.