Returning a PCP'd car with only one key or non original key
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Hi all,
The Mrs has lost one of the keys for her car.
It's on a PCP deal and she is going probably going to be handing it back at the end of the term (providing there is no equity in it).
Anyone had any experience of handing a car back with only one key or two keys, one OEM and one a non OEM programmed key?
It's with Toyota.
Just thinking that they might not accept the non OEM key and still charge her for a proper Toyota one.
Obviously if there is equity in the car we'll look into buying it and this then isnt a major problem.
Cheers
The Mrs has lost one of the keys for her car.
It's on a PCP deal and she is going probably going to be handing it back at the end of the term (providing there is no equity in it).
Anyone had any experience of handing a car back with only one key or two keys, one OEM and one a non OEM programmed key?
It's with Toyota.
Just thinking that they might not accept the non OEM key and still charge her for a proper Toyota one.
Obviously if there is equity in the car we'll look into buying it and this then isnt a major problem.
Cheers
That s not a design flaw, it s a deliberate safety feature to allow people to keep driving along in a car that has been started using the keys security to keep driving safely if (for example)
..someone smashes the window and steals your wife s handbag on a darkened street, or
.. a young child throws the key out of an open window on a busy motorway.
Can you imagine the car cutting power and stranding everyone in either scenario?
This is therefore a textbook example of trying to make something foolproof, but failing to make it idiot proof at the same time.
..someone smashes the window and steals your wife s handbag on a darkened street, or
.. a young child throws the key out of an open window on a busy motorway.
Can you imagine the car cutting power and stranding everyone in either scenario?
This is therefore a textbook example of trying to make something foolproof, but failing to make it idiot proof at the same time.
Edited by Hol on Wednesday 4th February 12:54
FlyingPanda said:
I got hit pretty hard for this returning a BMW. IIRC it was about £450, but I don't think they would have accepted anything other than a genuine one.
Sounds about right, I had to buy a key from Mini and it was £150 and another £150 to code it more or less so if they then add on their own admin fee for dealing with it I can see where the costs come fromMonkeez said:
Yeah fair enough but every car i've had sounds an alarm within the car if the keys are outside the car when it is running
That is also my experience of what should happen.Edited by Monkeez on Wednesday 4th February 13:18
If it’s raining when we get home and my wife has forgotten to bring a separate house key, I’ll typically give her my car keys to get inside whilst I park the car further down the driveway.
I’ll always get that audible warning.
Porsche, VAG, Mercedes in recent experience.
[quote=Hol]That s not a design flaw, it s a deliberate safety feature to allow people to keep driving along in a car that has been started using the keys security to keep driving safely if (for example)
..someone smashes the window and steals your wife s handbag on a darkened street, or
.. a young child throws the key out of an open window on a busy motorway.
Can you imagine the car cutting power and stranding everyone in either scenario?
This is therefore a textbook example of trying to make something foolproof, but failing to make it idiot proof at the same time.
My car has a special socket on the dashboard to store the key in. The car will not start without it being there and the engine stops if it's removed
..someone smashes the window and steals your wife s handbag on a darkened street, or
.. a young child throws the key out of an open window on a busy motorway.
Can you imagine the car cutting power and stranding everyone in either scenario?
This is therefore a textbook example of trying to make something foolproof, but failing to make it idiot proof at the same time.
My car has a special socket on the dashboard to store the key in. The car will not start without it being there and the engine stops if it's removed
Wills2 said:
Monkeez said:
She drove off with the keys on the boot lid and they fell off somewhere.
Total design flaw with her car that lets you drive the car when the key isnt present.
Hilarious, it's always someone else's fault...Total design flaw with her car that lets you drive the car when the key isnt present.
Quite annoying if you drive to work after nipping back into the house then drive off with the keys on the table...
Yes. Blaming other people when a mistake is clearly made, certainly makes me think cockwomble.
But, luckily common sense has prevailed, again.
In answer to your question you will need a replacement factory key, although not unlike a kerbed wheel sometimes it’s cheaper to pay the repair fee, than it is to obtain the key yourself.
But, luckily common sense has prevailed, again.
In answer to your question you will need a replacement factory key, although not unlike a kerbed wheel sometimes it’s cheaper to pay the repair fee, than it is to obtain the key yourself.
Monkeez said:
She drove off with the keys on the boot lid and they fell off somewhere.
Total design flaw with her car that lets you drive the car when the key isnt present.
Toyotas normally have a message on the dash if you drive off without the keys "Key not detected". Total design flaw with her car that lets you drive the car when the key isnt present.
That aside, in answer to your question about handback - yes they will check for the 2nd key. You'd have to ask the supplying dealer how much they'll charge for a missing one though as it varies. My Audi was with VWFS who charge a flat £190 which is on many models much cheaper than buying and coding a new key.
Tommo87 said:
Yes. Blaming other people when a mistake is clearly made, certainly makes me think cockwomble.
But, luckily common sense has prevailed, again.
In answer to your question you will need a replacement factory key, although not unlike a kerbed wheel sometimes it s cheaper to pay the repair fee, than it is to obtain the key yourself.
See my post at 15:20 yesterday....totally her faultBut, luckily common sense has prevailed, again.
In answer to your question you will need a replacement factory key, although not unlike a kerbed wheel sometimes it s cheaper to pay the repair fee, than it is to obtain the key yourself.
Gary C said:
I think he was more alluding to being able to start the car with they keys not in the car. My wifes car needs the key in the car quite near to the dash before it starts, but as said, allows you to keep driving if you then take the key away.
Quite annoying if you drive to work after nipping back into the house then drive off with the keys on the table...
If you can start the car without the key being in the car, it wouldn't be much of a key, would it?Quite annoying if you drive to work after nipping back into the house then drive off with the keys on the table...
He means once the car is started, removing the key from the car still allows the car to be driven.
Mine does not sound an alarm in that situation, but it puts up a big warning sign saying something like "key not present". If you try and start the car with the car it says "no key".
You can't fail to spot it, unless you drive and never once looking at your instruments.
snuffy said:
Gary C said:
I think he was more alluding to being able to start the car with they keys not in the car. My wifes car needs the key in the car quite near to the dash before it starts, but as said, allows you to keep driving if you then take the key away.
Quite annoying if you drive to work after nipping back into the house then drive off with the keys on the table...
If you can start the car without the key being in the car, it wouldn't be much of a key, would it?Quite annoying if you drive to work after nipping back into the house then drive off with the keys on the table...
He means once the car is started, removing the key from the car still allows the car to be driven.
Mine does not sound an alarm in that situation, but it puts up a big warning sign saying something like "key not present". If you try and start the car with the car it says "no key".
You can't fail to spot it, unless you drive and never once looking at your instruments.
I remember a couple at Newquay airport at the drop
off. I am waiting to pick up. Lady gets in the car and starts it. Key however was in the chaps pocket standing by the door saying goodbye. He wanders off to check in. She then drives the car to the barrier at which point the stop-start kicks in. Barrier lifts and car will not restart as no key present.
off. I am waiting to pick up. Lady gets in the car and starts it. Key however was in the chaps pocket standing by the door saying goodbye. He wanders off to check in. She then drives the car to the barrier at which point the stop-start kicks in. Barrier lifts and car will not restart as no key present.
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