Killing the sector
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sparta6 said:
Kahn. Police State said:
sparta6 said:
Kahn. Bit late for buyers remorse.
Governments use tax as such a blunt instrument.
What is the point of taxing a business to the point it is no longer viable? All that does is create unemployment and kills economic growth, and the government don't get their taxes anyway.
If a pub is facing closure due to their rates bill, then surely that just kills any business in that building, as nobody else will be able to come along and make a go of it either. Why not keep the rates, but allow relief up to 100% where it can be shown that business profits can't support the taxes being demanded. Better to get some tax income and keep those people in employment, rather than force a huge tax hike and ruin everything.
What is the point of taxing a business to the point it is no longer viable? All that does is create unemployment and kills economic growth, and the government don't get their taxes anyway.
If a pub is facing closure due to their rates bill, then surely that just kills any business in that building, as nobody else will be able to come along and make a go of it either. Why not keep the rates, but allow relief up to 100% where it can be shown that business profits can't support the taxes being demanded. Better to get some tax income and keep those people in employment, rather than force a huge tax hike and ruin everything.
spookly said:
Governments use tax as such a blunt instrument.
What is the point of taxing a business to the point it is no longer viable? All that does is create unemployment and kills economic growth, and the government don't get their taxes anyway.
If a pub is facing closure due to their rates bill, then surely that just kills any business in that building, as nobody else will be able to come along and make a go of it either. Why not keep the rates, but allow relief up to 100% where it can be shown that business profits can't support the taxes being demanded. Better to get some tax income and keep those people in employment, rather than force a huge tax hike and ruin everything.
Away with your logic and sensibility.What is the point of taxing a business to the point it is no longer viable? All that does is create unemployment and kills economic growth, and the government don't get their taxes anyway.
If a pub is facing closure due to their rates bill, then surely that just kills any business in that building, as nobody else will be able to come along and make a go of it either. Why not keep the rates, but allow relief up to 100% where it can be shown that business profits can't support the taxes being demanded. Better to get some tax income and keep those people in employment, rather than force a huge tax hike and ruin everything.
We need more Socialist Worker activists on the streets to point at anyone wearing anything faintly resembling 'business clothing' is pelted with eggs, taken to an ATM and made to handover £50 - for the cause!
Up the United Workers front of Bedlam, Mayhem and (why don't we have any money anymore) Labour!
It's a tough space in many places. I was talking to some of the staff in the NYC fine dining scene (yes, I know how that sounds) and their margins are super thin these days too.
More Brexit winning!
Standard said:
Another unfortunate side effect of the pandemic hugely amplified by Brexit was the flight of key staff back to Europe, which massively inflated wages for waiters and chefs.
Indeed. More Brexit winning!
JoshSm said:
Police State said:
sparta6 said:
Kahn. Bit late for buyers remorse.
It's also possible this current bunch of politicians rarely socialize in the real world and don't understand the sector.
I've previously seen Sunak, Johnson and Cameron in restaurants but never the Khan or the Starmer.
MrBogSmith said:
stuckmojo said:
MrBogSmith said:
ndeed.
More Brexit winning!
Where is the link to Brexit, in the specific context of British hospitality? More Brexit winning!
stuckmojo said:
Panamax said:
Did you never go to a pub or restaurant?
It's definitely one of the factors that's nailed the hospitality industry.
What, that they can't pay pittance for staff from Europe?It's definitely one of the factors that's nailed the hospitality industry.
Hasn't Labour now forced them into too high wages anyway?
119 said:
Labour are killing the industry .
Indeed.Before 2024 pubs were thriving and you rarely read any articles about pubs closing down in large numbers. Also this situation is worse in London because grrr Kaaaaahn!!! Nothing to do with the fact that people have got better things to do than go to pubs.
stuckmojo said:
Panamax said:
Did you never go to a pub or restaurant?
It's definitely one of the factors that's nailed the hospitality industry.
What, that they can't pay pittance for staff from Europe?It's definitely one of the factors that's nailed the hospitality industry.
Hasn't Labour now forced them into too high wages anyway?
It was very noticeable the drop off in quality of service once they left. And from what I can see from friend’s establishments, and places I regularly visit, turnover of Brits is very high - I suspect because they don’t give a f
k and flit between low-paid jobs. Could be worse, could be the US where service is bordering on non-existent these days - by anyone. Now that’s a country that’s gone from amazing, friendly, quality service (for the tips) to the absolute pits (because they expect the tips regardless).
Countdown said:
119 said:
Labour are killing the industry .
Indeed.Before 2024 pubs were thriving and you rarely read any articles about pubs closing down in large numbers. Also this situation is worse in London because grrr Kaaaaahn!!! Nothing to do with the fact that people have got better things to do than go to pubs.
Calm down Countdown
It's not just pubs
"Our writers have talked to hundreds of chefs, restaurateurs, hoteliers and pub and café owners in recent years. And they have spoken with one voice.
Unintentionally or not, Labour is killing this industry. As one of its most illustrious names, Gordon Ramsay, arguably the world’s most famous chef, wrote for The Standard last week saying London hospitality is “facing a bloodbath”.
This is the problem with the minimum wage. If you have to pay someone £13/hour to stack shelves in Waitrose, why would they subject themselves to the far more difficult and antisocial job of working in a pub?
In theory the answer is to pay them more to work in a pub, but pubs can't afford it for obvious reasons.
Personally it is my belief that the government is doing everything it possibly can to make life more and more miserable for us. Why? I'm not really sure, but I absolutely believe it to be true.
In theory the answer is to pay them more to work in a pub, but pubs can't afford it for obvious reasons.
Personally it is my belief that the government is doing everything it possibly can to make life more and more miserable for us. Why? I'm not really sure, but I absolutely believe it to be true.
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