RE: Record 911 sales failed to save Porsche in 2025
RE: Record 911 sales failed to save Porsche in 2025
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Record 911 sales failed to save Porsche in 2025

The end of 718s and ICE Macans in Europe, plus reduced Taycan demand, account for 10 per cent decline


You know something must be awry when even Porsche sales have taken a turn. For so long they were the manufacturer that every other OEM hoped to emulate, with strong sales and profits year after year. 2025 wasn’t one of those. And while it might not go down as an annus horribilis - 279,449 cars is still a lot of Porsches - that figure still represents a drop of 10 per cent compared to the 310,718 of 2024. Clearly, given its recent pronouncements on the subject, it intends to avoid this situation becoming a trend. 

Porsche was in a uniquely tricky position, of course (only partly of its own making). Because as well as having to deal with the ‘slowdown in the adoption of electromobility’ - which saw the Taycan drop by 22 per cent, to 16,339 deliveries - plus the general economic malaise in China (sales declined 26 per cent to 41,938 units), there were Old World issues, too. During 2025, both the 718 and petrol Macan went off sale in Britain and the EU because of cybersecurity regs (you probably heard about that one); without direct, combustion-engined replacements (ditto), sales have suffered: 66,340 deliveries were made in Europe (excluding Germany) in 2025, down 13 per cent compared to ‘24. In the home market the number was 29,968, a 16 per cent decline. Without wishing to state the ruddy obvious, those replacements are needed pronto. 

That being said, there’s some good news to report as well. While Europe wasn’t as Porsche-hungry as the year before, the majority of deliveries (57.9 per cent) were electrified to some degree, with a third being pure EV. For the Panamera and Cayenne, unsurprisingly, PHEVs are said to ‘dominate’ the sales mix. So there is demand for plug-in Porsches, just not as much as anticipated. The 911 continues to do pretty damn well for a car that now kicks off at £100,000 (and with more options possible through Exclusive Manufaktur and Sonderwunsch than ever): 2025 was another year when more than 50,000 found homes. By comparison, the 718s registered just 18,612, down 21 per cent as production wound up. 

While every other market reported a slowdown of some kind, the US remains Porsche’s biggest market. 86,229 cars is pretty much identical to 2025 (86,541), plus more than Germany (29,968) and China (41,938) combined. Although more than a third (34.4 per cent) of global Porsche deliveries are now electrified, you can be sure that combustion remains king over there. Which makes the upcoming SUV above the Cayenne, which was going to be electric and is now going to be PHEV, even more crucial. 

The figures for the Macan make that even more evident: Porsche sold 84,328 of them last year, up two per cent on 2024, yet 38,961 of them were still the old car. The one launched a dozen years ago, with no hybrid option at all, and its roots in the original Audi Q5 of 2008. In other words, there is absolutely still considerable demand for Porsche SUVs with engines, however tricky that enthusiasm is to align with broader environmental objectives.

Matthias Becker, Porsche’s board member for sales and marketing, said: “In 2026, we have a clear focus; we want to manage demand and supply according to our ‘value over volume’ strategy. At the same time, we are planning our volumes for 2026 realistically, considering the production phase-out of the combustion-engined 718 and Macan models.” So don’t be surprised if more cars like the GT3 90 F.A. Porsche emerge over the coming months, making the most of existing platforms while new SUVs and sports cars are finalised. They can’t come soon enough.


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HoneyBadgerUK

Original Poster:

30 posts

25 months

Yesterday (10:35)
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At a quick glance I thought you'd made a mistake and put a photo of an F-Pace in as the last photo. Oops. Sorry Porsche design department, you messed up.

Night Owl

321 posts

3 months

Yesterday (10:47)
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And the planned destruction of the German auto industry, and with that a large portion of the economy, continues as planned.

Agenda 2030 in action. These companies better wake up and take out the trash in mgmt. frown

johnyromt

5 posts

Yesterday (10:50)
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Even a ten percent drop looks big when a brand is used to steady growth. Nearly 280,000 cars is still strong, but it shows Porsche is not immune to wider market shifts and changing buyer priorities. The key will be how they adapt so this stays a blip rather than a longer pattern.

drgoatboy

1,948 posts

228 months

Yesterday (11:07)
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I do wonder if the sale of taycans could be put down to a much wider choice of BEVs from other manufacturers rather than a slow down in electromobility?

9k rpm

608 posts

231 months

Yesterday (11:12)
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I wonder if they actually allowed people to buy the models they wanted (GT3 Touring for example) and weren’t such utter tools then they’d be able to still hit the volumes.

Hopefully we might see a change in their model. I want to buy a GT3 911 to my spec but don’t want 3 crappy Taycans first. Paying overs isn’t something I’d ever do and there must be a lot in the same boat as me.

Lotobear

8,483 posts

149 months

Yesterday (11:24)
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drgoatboy said:
I do wonder if the sale of taycans could be put down to a much wider choice of BEVs from other manufacturers rather than a slow down in electromobility?
Eye watering depreciation I would guess

GreatScott2016

2,162 posts

109 months

Yesterday (11:25)
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9k rpm said:
I wonder if they actually allowed people to buy the models they wanted (GT3 Touring for example) and weren t such utter tools then they d be able to still hit the volumes.

Hopefully we might see a change in their model. I want to buy a GT3 911 to my spec but don t want 3 crappy Taycans first. Paying overs isn t something I d ever do and there must be a lot in the same boat as me.
I think there is some truth in that but as we know, lots of people talk a good game, but when offered a car, may politely decline it - they may never have an intention of buying one, just want a moan a bit smile. There are still lots of near new GT3s out there, so the opportunity to experience one is readily available for those genuinely interested etc. smile

Wills2

27,729 posts

196 months

Yesterday (11:27)
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9k rpm said:
I wonder if they actually allowed people to buy the models they wanted (GT3 Touring for example) and weren t such utter tools then they d be able to still hit the volumes.

Hopefully we might see a change in their model. I want to buy a GT3 911 to my spec but don t want 3 crappy Taycans first. Paying overs isn t something I d ever do and there must be a lot in the same boat as me.
Whilst the UK is a bit like that if you look at their home market, they have almost 300 brand new unregistered GT cars for sale 99 GT3s and 184 718 RS across both variants, restrictions on supply isn't the issue.



Earthdweller

17,073 posts

147 months

Yesterday (11:34)
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drgoatboy said:
I do wonder if the sale of taycans could be put down to a much wider choice of BEVs from other manufacturers rather than a slow down in electromobility?
People aren't leasing Taycans because they are Porsches

They are leasing them, note I didn't saying buying, because they are tax efficient and they will lease whatever is next and more tax efficient .. there is no brand loyalty

Whereas someone buys a 911 because they really want a 911 and the experience and joy it brings ... not because their accountant said it would be tax efficient

smile

drgoatboy

1,948 posts

228 months

Yesterday (11:42)
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Earthdweller said:
People aren't leasing Taycans because they are Porsches

They are leasing them, note I didn't saying buying, because they are tax efficient and they will lease whatever is next and more tax efficient .. there is no brand loyalty

Whereas someone buys a 911 because they really want a 911 and the experience and joy it brings ... not because their accountant said it would be tax efficient

smile
I get what you are saying but taycans were never the cheap option. If saving money/being tax efficient was your main concern nobody would have ordered one at all. And they certainly have sold plenty...
Sure it's a factor but not the only factor, people wanted a tax efficient/interesting/attractive/fast/sporty (delete as appropriate) which until the last year or so only resulted in very few options, one of which was a taycans.

andrew

10,266 posts

213 months

Yesterday (11:52)
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9k rpm said:
I wonder if they actually allowed people to buy the models they wanted (GT3 Touring for example) and weren t such utter tools then they d be able to still hit the volumes.

Hopefully we might see a change in their model. I want to buy a GT3 911 to my spec but don t want 3 crappy Taycans first. Paying overs isn t something I d ever do and there must be a lot in the same boat as me.
there are rolleyes

Earthdweller

17,073 posts

147 months

Yesterday (11:52)
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drgoatboy said:
I get what you are saying but taycans were never the cheap option. If saving money/being tax efficient was your main concern nobody would have ordered one at all. And they certainly have sold plenty...
Sure it's a factor but not the only factor, people wanted a tax efficient/interesting/attractive/fast/sporty (delete as appropriate) which until the last year or so only resulted in very few options, one of which was a taycans.
A friend of mine had a FFRR on his company which he swopped for a Taycan .. the tax savings including write downs effectively made it a free car compared to what he was paying in tax on the RR

It's gone now and he's moved onto another brand of EV. He had zero loyalty to the brand as an EV and would much rather still be smoking about in a FFRR but he listens to his accountant laugh

soxboy

7,200 posts

240 months

Yesterday (12:04)
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If you go on the Porsche GB website you can still configure and order new petrol Macans. I don’t recall seeing anything saying petrol had stopped.

9k rpm

608 posts

231 months

Yesterday (12:12)
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GreatScott2016 said:
9k rpm said:
I wonder if they actually allowed people to buy the models they wanted (GT3 Touring for example) and weren t such utter tools then they d be able to still hit the volumes.

Hopefully we might see a change in their model. I want to buy a GT3 911 to my spec but don t want 3 crappy Taycans first. Paying overs isn t something I d ever do and there must be a lot in the same boat as me.
I think there is some truth in that but as we know, lots of people talk a good game, but when offered a car, may politely decline it - they may never have an intention of buying one, just want a moan a bit smile. There are still lots of near new GT3s out there, so the opportunity to experience one is readily available for those genuinely interested etc. smile
I accept there are near new GT3s for sale but if you look at 992.2 manual tourings (which I’d be after) there are 3 on the AUC site and they range from £210k to £240k. The spec I’ve created on the Configurator is £180k. I’m not paying £30k for the privilege especially as it’s not the spec I’d want.

But if I walked into my local Porsche centre and gave them my configuration they’d start showing me Taycans.

Miles Remmington

18 posts

153 months

Yesterday (12:22)
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I wonder how low the Taycan will go. I quite fancy one of the estates as shed-money dog transportation 10 years or so from now.

GreatScott2016

2,162 posts

109 months

Yesterday (12:34)
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9k rpm said:
GreatScott2016 said:
9k rpm said:
I wonder if they actually allowed people to buy the models they wanted (GT3 Touring for example) and weren t such utter tools then they d be able to still hit the volumes.

Hopefully we might see a change in their model. I want to buy a GT3 911 to my spec but don t want 3 crappy Taycans first. Paying overs isn t something I d ever do and there must be a lot in the same boat as me.
I think there is some truth in that but as we know, lots of people talk a good game, but when offered a car, may politely decline it - they may never have an intention of buying one, just want a moan a bit smile. There are still lots of near new GT3s out there, so the opportunity to experience one is readily available for those genuinely interested etc. smile
I accept there are near new GT3s for sale but if you look at 992.2 manual tourings (which I d be after) there are 3 on the AUC site and they range from £210k to £240k. The spec I ve created on the Configurator is £180k. I m not paying £30k for the privilege especially as it s not the spec I d want.

But if I walked into my local Porsche centre and gave them my configuration they d start showing me Taycans.
Yep, I get that, frustrating thumbup

tescor

530 posts

249 months

Yesterday (12:37)
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These are the UK sales figures for the last 3 years...



Last year was almost 6% down on 2024, but over 22% down on 2023.

SuperPav

1,247 posts

146 months

Yesterday (12:37)
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9k rpm said:
I accept there are near new GT3s for sale but if you look at 992.2 manual tourings (which I d be after) there are 3 on the AUC site and they range from £210k to £240k. The spec I ve created on the Configurator is £180k. I m not paying £30k for the privilege especially as it s not the spec I d want.

But if I walked into my local Porsche centre and gave them my configuration they d start showing me Taycans.
Have you actually tried?

Certainly through most of 2025, anything other than a GT3RS could be relatively easily ordered. That included 4RS/Spyders alongside the "normal" GT3's. Not saying every dealer will have allocation or play ball, but there were plenty of slots kicking about. Which is why 4RS/Spyder RS's no longer have much (if any) overs on the market.

jhayward1980

142 posts

235 months

Yesterday (12:49)
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Earthdweller said:
drgoatboy said:
I get what you are saying but taycans were never the cheap option. If saving money/being tax efficient was your main concern nobody would have ordered one at all. And they certainly have sold plenty...
Sure it's a factor but not the only factor, people wanted a tax efficient/interesting/attractive/fast/sporty (delete as appropriate) which until the last year or so only resulted in very few options, one of which was a taycans.
A friend of mine had a FFRR on his company which he swopped for a Taycan .. the tax savings including write downs effectively made it a free car compared to what he was paying in tax on the RR

It's gone now and he's moved onto another brand of EV. He had zero loyalty to the brand as an EV and would much rather still be smoking about in a FFRR but he listens to his accountant laugh
This is it. And this is also why the depreciation is "fake". The car's RRP is determined by the lease they want to achieve. Once it's been through the first lease cycle then it is showing closer to its "value" and at that point someone might actually buy it for money. Virtually noone actually buys an EV at RRP.

brillomaster

1,646 posts

191 months

Yesterday (12:49)
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Well off the top of my head... a new boxster and new cayman, each using a detuned version of the 3 litre turbo available in the base 911s, would be where id start.

Though I appreciate that most of a luxury car brands sales comes from suvs and China, so build whatever they want.

They may also be shooting themselves in the foot by making increasingly expensive cars that fewer and fewer people can afford to buy, but that might just be me.