Four dead in Bolton collision

[shed driver]

Local to where I used to live, the road has become more of a racetrack in recent years. 3 teenagers dead in a Seat Leon which has collided with a Picasso taxi killing the driver. Others also severely injured and taken to the two local major trauma units. Road remains closed 18 hours after the accident.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r45k245pvo

Although currently unverified this is rumoured to be the Leon's driving in recent days.

https://www.facebook.com/leon.moores.52/videos/875...

SD.

[Earthdweller]

You take your life in your hands every time you drive through that part of Bolton

The standard of driving is appalling

[Crumpet]

Earthdweller said:

You take your life in your hands every time you drive through that part of Bolton

The standard of driving is appalling

Same with Bradford.

[eldar]

Crumpet said:

Earthdweller said:

You take your life in your hands every time you drive through that part of Bolton

The standard of driving is appalling

Same with Bradford.

Yet overall, British roads a just about the safest in the world. Localised st driving, less enforcement, who knows .

[Earthdweller]

Three young lads in one car

Muhammad Danyaal Asghar Ali, of Knutshaw Crescent, Bolton
Farhan Patel, of Briercliffe Road, Bolton
Mohammed Jibrael Mukhtar, of Junction Road, Bolton

Taxi driver in the other

Mosrab Ali, of Ash Street, Blackburn

Details released by the Bolton council of mosques

[Jasandjules]

Tragic. Have to feel for the family of the taxi driver who was just earning a living.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Saw photos of the cars online, absolutely awful. Really feel for the taxi driver and the passengers, I'll not mention the driver as it's impolite to talk ill of the dead.

[Hub]

Presumably that is a 30 limit road, on a freezing cold night.

I feel so sorry for the innocent parties.

[Earthdweller]

Hub said:

Presumably that is a 30 limit road, on a freezing cold night.

I feel so sorry for the innocent parties.

Yep long straight uphill, quite wide residential with lots of junctions running out of Bolton town centre .. 30mph limit with quite a few centre islands

[Sheepshanks]

shed driver said:

Local to where I used to live, the road has become more of a racetrack in recent years.

How come it's not covered in speed cameras?

[Earthdweller]

My mate just told me his daughter who is a firefighter based in Bolton was on duty last night and turned out to the scene and said it was gruesome

[Downward]

Yeah vid shows the Leon on the wrong side of the road

https://news.sky.com/video/bolton-crash-moments-le...

[TUS373]

Police, speed cameras, camera vans. You can be a driver of 30-40 years and get a ticket for 35mph in a 30mph zone. Hardly crime of the century....but easy to catch many people out. At the other end of the scale......this type of driving and occurrence is common in areas where there is a high Pakistani population. Go on....roast me. Call me racist......but its a genuine occurrence and genuine problem. Its not a racist comment. Its an observation born of witnessing this type of driving. I user to work in Bradford. Thankfully now, I dont.

How awful for the taxi driver's family and family of the teenagers. Fun turns to grief when mixing careless driving, high speeds and icy roads. Those lads had lives to lead....now cut short. Awful for the emergency services who have to attend to the injured and clear a science like this up.

Young asian lads must be the highest risk drivers on the road. What is the answer though?

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

Sheepshanks said:

shed driver said:

Local to where I used to live, the road has become more of a racetrack in recent years.

How come it's not covered in speed cameras?

Probably is but the demographic involved with the Leon won't have it registered to themselves so won't care.

Terrible for the taxi driver and his family. Sadly these idiots took an innocent with them.

[poo at Paul's]

Seems like a leon driven ridiculously badly by another two pedal hero who actually can t drive for toffee.
I have deal of sympathy for the taxi driver and the injured passengers, but none for the absolute chumps in the Leon.

Edited by poo at Paul's on Monday 12th January 01:58

[Hub]

It does seem to be a badge of honour in some areas to film yourself driving like an absolute maniac and put it on social media. Just look at the insane examples that crop up on the Facebook page 'GTA UK'. I don't know if anything is being done to discourage this or not.

[Rusty Old-Banger]

poo at Paul's said:

Seems like a leon driven ridiculously badly by another two pedal hero who actually can t drive for toffee.
I have deal of sympathy for the taxi driver and the injured passengers, but none for the absolute chumps in the Leon.

Edited by poo at Paul's on Monday 12th January 01:58

None for the driver. The passengers, well, they hardly had any control, so I do feel a bit for them. I wonder if none were wearing seatbelts - the taxi driver because he doesn't have to, and the Leon occupants, because teenagers.

I had the dubious honour of seeing some accident investigation photos the other week (related to my job), after a car rolled in a building (roof-first) at 90mph, with 4 youngsters in it. Gruesome wasn't the word. I feel for the responders who had to deal with this.

[Bright Halo]

So tragic that lives and especially young lives are lost this way.
Considering how safe modern cars are it must have been one hell of an impact!

[Randy Winkman]

Bright Halo said:

So tragic that lives and especially young lives are lost this way.
Considering how safe modern cars are it must have been one hell of an impact!

As mentioned above, on the basis of a limited amount of stuff in recent accident investigation TV programmes, the not wearing a seatbelt thing seems to come up quite a lot. But that's not to make an assumption about this particular incident.

[fflump]

Bright Halo said:

So tragic that lives and especially young lives are lost this way.
Considering how safe modern cars are it must have been one hell of an impact!

Tragic for all ages and most tragic for the older life as the taxi driver would not have been a teenager. Some late teenagers are clearly not mature enough to drive.

How to reduce this? More traffic cameras in high risk areas and AI/ machine learning would immediately spot dangerous driving patterns that police could follow up on and get people off the road before fatalities occur.

As for modern cars yes they are amazing compared to 40 years ago but you can’t design out the laws of physics.