Artura v Honda NSX

[ChrisW.]

'Not sure about the blue interior but !!

[650S]

Thanks for posting, an interesting comparison - to an appreciator of Honda engineering especially.

Good CRX memories of 35 years ago, and the MP4/4 era.

The common theme with these comparisons is the McLaren is the drivers car, and its achieved via less is more, and simple thoroughly engineered solutions.

You continue to enjoy your Artura? and Beetle/s?

[ChrisW.]

I do ... but the special car of choice is the Artura ...

So many youngsters and not so youngsters just want to sit in it ... comments at petrol stations ... smiles when you wait for pedestrians and other drivers ... and it's so cool when people do want to sit in it. The seat runs on roller bearings making it so easy to move the seat back when they get in and slide it back to the best position for the pedals, then the super cool big battery that enables you to leave the electrics on and move the steering wheel and instruments to the best position for them ... and then the photos !!

And then there is the sound system ....

By comparison the 991.2RS is a great track car ... just too noisy almost everywhere else ... and the same weight as the Artura without the big battery and electric motor !! Great cars but ... the McLaren is better.

[12pack]

ChrisW. said:

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then the super cool big battery that enables you to leave the electrics on and move the steering wheel and instruments to the best position for them ... and then the photos !!

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FYI, a common misconception - but the drive battery does not run cabin electronics. They run off the 12V battery. This saves the 400V drive battery and converter from needing to turn/off for 12V tasks. This is the case for all EVs and PHEVs.

Not sure what the 12V charging strategy is for the Artura, but usually these are charged off the drive battery and/or engine once the car and drive battery are powered on.

So, running the cabin electronics with the engine off is no different than in a petrol car, I.e., still need to be careful not to fully discharge the 12V battery to the extent of not being able to power the car on.

Edited by 12pack on Sunday 14th December 12:28

Edited by 12pack on Sunday 14th December 12:29

[ex-devonpaul]

Interesting vid, but an odd comparisson.

We learnt a 7 year old £150k car is now cheaper than a 2 year old £200k one.
A lighter more powerful car is faster.
4WD is better than RWD at putting the power down.

I guess a better comparison based on age and price would be the NSX against a 570, or even a 650 or 12C.

I do like the NSX, but over here the London only servicing is offputting, the spares/service costs much higher than a McL, and I gather Honda withdrew the offer of extended warranties which casts doubts on their confidence in it.

On the other side I much prefer the interior to the Artura.

[ChrisW.]

12pack said:

ChrisW. said:

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then the super cool big battery that enables you to leave the electrics on and move the steering wheel and instruments to the best position for them ... and then the photos !!

.

FYI, a common misconception - but the drive battery does not run cabin electronics. They run off the 12V battery. This saves the 400V drive battery and converter from needing to turn/off for 12V tasks. This is the case for all EVs and PHEVs.

Not sure what the 12V charging strategy is for the Artura, but usually these are charged off the drive battery and/or engine once the car and drive battery are powered on.

So, running the cabin electronics with the engine off is no different than in a petrol car, I.e., still need to be careful not to fully discharge the 12V battery to the extent of not being able to power the car on.

Edited by 12pack on Sunday 14th December 12:28

Edited by 12pack on Sunday 14th December 12:29

In fact the Artura main battery charges the 12v ancillaries battery ... hence keeping the main battery on charge automatically keeps the 12v ancillary battery fully charged ...

[12pack]

Not to beat an off topic, but that is what I said. Except that it will only do that if the car is powered on. Same as a petrol car charging the 12V battery when the engine is turned on. Doesn’t help if you have depleted the 12V battery to the extent that you can t power the car on and/or the drive battery is low as well.

Apologize if it’s not kosher to link to another forum here…
https://www.mclarenlife.com/threads/my-artura-batt...

Edited by 12pack on Monday 15th December 13:48

[ChrisW.]

12pack said:

Not to beat an off topic, but that is what I said. Except that it will only do that if the car is powered on. Same as a petrol car charging the 12V battery when the engine is turned on. Doesn t help if you have depleted the 12V battery to the extent that you can t power the car on and/or the drive battery is low as well.

Apologize if it s not kosher to link to another forum here
https://www.mclarenlife.com/threads/my-artura-batt...

Edited by 12pack on Monday 15th December 13:48

Read further ... this is what McLaren say ....



The car was turned on with the handbrake on and the HV battery was probably about half charged. If the car had been turned off the instruments would not have moved ... ?? So what precisely are you saying ?? I'm always amenable to a good "off topic" if there is some learning or understanding to be gained ...

P.S. Does any company that you are aware of make / supply bluetooth valve fitting TPMS that would connect to the bluetooth antenna in the Artura enabling tyres other than Pirelli Cybertyres to connect to the Artura system ???

Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 15th December 15:19

[12pack]

In answer to you, as a long time EV and hybrid owner, I’m trying to make you aware that you CAN have the 12V battery go flat in spite of the presence of a larger drive battery. Indeed please do read those points from the manual - they do not specify under what conditions the drive battery will charge the 12V one. Wonder why they need to section about a discharged 12V battery otherwise .

[ChrisW.]

Understood ... and to watch.

My wife got locked into our Kia e-Niro because the auxiliary battery went flat. The only solution was a new 12v battery ... at least we could open the bonnet mechanically and jump start the car ...

The Artura does show the status of the auxiliary battery, to watch!

As for a discharged 12v battery ... if the car was put away unplugged with minimal HV battery it's quite easy to see how over time the 12v battery could go flat ...