Why isn't this a bigger national scandal?
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The state of London....
I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the s
tty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.
I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the s
tty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.crosseyedlion said:
The state of London....
I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the stty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.
well not a resident but if you believe the Right wing this is what London has become,if you believe the left wing the right wing are lying and everything is hunky dory. I did go down recently to see eldest son and he lives in a reasonably nice area but he did tell us to secure our phones and take my watch off before we went out using the tube.I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the s
tty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.I didn't see anything you referred to but I guess it depends where in London you are.
s1962a said:
oh yes, always seems to be tourists to London that seem to bh about it the most. Those of us that live hear recognise it's problems (and there are a lot of them) but also the good parts of living in a big city.
It’s only ever tourists that go to these places, and that’s why the pickpockets are all they see - they’re there to rob people like OP. h about it the most. Those of us that live hear recognise it's problems (and there are a lot of them) but also the good parts of living in a big city.crosseyedlion said:
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
If it's that embarrasing, why doesn't the country as a whole let London keeps it's tax take and we'll splurge on more police and spend more on the city itself. If we weren't paying out so much for the rest of the UK I reckon we'd have a much cleaner and safer city.Google AI said:
London contributes a disproportionately large share of UK taxes, especially income tax, paying around 27% of total UK income tax (around £59-64bn recently) despite having fewer taxpayers than other large regions like the South East, highlighting its role as a major economic engine.
When considering all public sector revenue, London consistently raises the most, around £216bn (FYE 2023), making up a significant chunk of the national total, often linked to its high GDP share (around 22%).
Key Figures & Context:
Income Tax: Londoners pay nearly a quarter to over a quarter of the UK's income tax, a much higher share than its proportion of the population or even the number of taxpayers.
Total Revenue: In FYE 2023, London raised £216.4 billion in public sector revenue, the highest of any region, with the South East second.
Economic Powerhouse: London's economic output (GDP) was £618 billion in 2023, making up 22.3% of the UK's total GDP, which underpins its high tax contribution.
Fiscal Surplus: London runs a significant fiscal surplus, meaning it contributes more in taxes than it receives in public spending, acting as a major net contributor to the UK's finances.
In essence, London is the UK's largest tax-raising region by far, heavily reliant on its high-earning workforce and financial sector.
When considering all public sector revenue, London consistently raises the most, around £216bn (FYE 2023), making up a significant chunk of the national total, often linked to its high GDP share (around 22%).
Key Figures & Context:
Income Tax: Londoners pay nearly a quarter to over a quarter of the UK's income tax, a much higher share than its proportion of the population or even the number of taxpayers.
Total Revenue: In FYE 2023, London raised £216.4 billion in public sector revenue, the highest of any region, with the South East second.
Economic Powerhouse: London's economic output (GDP) was £618 billion in 2023, making up 22.3% of the UK's total GDP, which underpins its high tax contribution.
Fiscal Surplus: London runs a significant fiscal surplus, meaning it contributes more in taxes than it receives in public spending, acting as a major net contributor to the UK's finances.
In essence, London is the UK's largest tax-raising region by far, heavily reliant on its high-earning workforce and financial sector.
okgo said:
s1962a said:
oh yes, always seems to be tourists to London that seem to bh about it the most. Those of us that live hear recognise it's problems (and there are a lot of them) but also the good parts of living in a big city.
It s only ever tourists that go to these places, and that s why the pickpockets are all they see - they re there to rob people like OP. h about it the most. Those of us that live hear recognise it's problems (and there are a lot of them) but also the good parts of living in a big city.k off back to your county"?franki68 said:
crosseyedlion said:
The state of London....
I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the stty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.
well not a resident but if you believe the Right wing this is what London has become,if you believe the left wing the right wing are lying and everything is hunky dory. I did go down recently to see eldest son and he lives in a reasonably nice area but he did tell us to secure our phones and take my watch off before we went out using the tube.I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the s
tty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.I didn't see anything you referred to but I guess it depends where in London you are.
Judging from what I have seen with my own eyes. The 'Right wing' (or centre about 10 years ago) are correct. The 'left' are utterly delusional to not acknowledge it. I don't see the political issue with admitting its a mess and actively try to come up with solutions - rather than ignore the issue (Labour did legalise sleeping in tents when they got in).
crosseyedlion said:
The state of London....
I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the stty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.
Can you change the title to "Old man visits London and doesn't like it" I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the s
tty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.
I always knew Manchester was soft, you would have s
t your pants in the 80's and 90's if you had visited Londoncrosseyedlion said:
I've been into London quite a lot lately, mostly in evenings (I live an easy train ride away) - I've never loved it as a city but enjoyed visiting for a few hours and getting out. Now it really does feel... lairy.
Judging from what I have seen with my own eyes. The 'Right wing' (or centre about 10 years ago) are correct. The 'left' are utterly delusional to not acknowledge it. I don't see the political issue with admitting its a mess and actively try to come up with solutions - rather than ignore the issue (Labour did legalise sleeping in tents when they got in).
Euston is close to a Transport hub. Judging from what I have seen with my own eyes. The 'Right wing' (or centre about 10 years ago) are correct. The 'left' are utterly delusional to not acknowledge it. I don't see the political issue with admitting its a mess and actively try to come up with solutions - rather than ignore the issue (Labour did legalise sleeping in tents when they got in).
People mill around.
People beg.
How many times were you stabbed / mugged / shot btw?
s1962a said:
oh yes, always seems to be tourists to London that seem to bh about it the most. Those of us that live hear recognise it's problems (and there are a lot of them) but also the good parts of living in a big city.
Those that live there have become blind to the really unacceptable it seems - like a frog in a boiling pot. h about it the most. Those of us that live hear recognise it's problems (and there are a lot of them) but also the good parts of living in a big city.Yes there are good parts about living in/being in a big city. Its amazing that basically allowing it to turn into a shanty town because you have a reasonable choice of things to do before 11pm makes up for it.
crosseyedlion said:
Those that live there have become blind to the really unacceptable it seems - like a frog in a boiling pot.
Yes there are good parts about living in/being in a big city. Its amazing that basically allowing it to turn into a shanty town because you have a reasonable choice of things to do before 11pm makes up for it.
They haven’t become blind. Is those that live here will almost never go to the places people up on a day trip go. Yes there are good parts about living in/being in a big city. Its amazing that basically allowing it to turn into a shanty town because you have a reasonable choice of things to do before 11pm makes up for it.
Rapidz said:
What a load of bks.
London is the same as it has ever been.
It s a global city, with all the great and not so great things that brings.
Its declined. ks.London is the same as it has ever been.
It s a global city, with all the great and not so great things that brings.
Ive visited frequently for 2 decades and know many people who live there and some who've moved out. They all either comment on the decline and have changed their behaviors because of it, have been victims of crime but didn't bother reporting it or basically are blind to it all.
AbbeyNormal said:
crosseyedlion said:
The state of London....
I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the stty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.
Can you change the title to "Old man visits London and doesn't like it" I went into London to an event at UCL (Euston Area) last night.
Noticed how Euston/UCL area has a strong early 90s dodgy New York vibe about it in the evenings these days? Tents everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, litter everywhere, people just....milling about, begging on the tube.
Tbh it seems to be most of London these days, no wonder its pretty quiet for the runup to Christmas (Cabbie mentioned it was 'dead')
What a dive. A national embarrassment.
It looks like a dystopian film version of London (especially with the s
tty rickshaws) - I really don't feel safe even in busy areas anymore. And I used to live next to moss-side in Manchester.I always knew Manchester was soft, you would have s
t your pants in the 80's and 90's if you had visited London
AbbeyNormal said:
crosseyedlion said:
I've been into London quite a lot lately, mostly in evenings (I live an easy train ride away) - I've never loved it as a city but enjoyed visiting for a few hours and getting out. Now it really does feel... lairy.
Judging from what I have seen with my own eyes. The 'Right wing' (or centre about 10 years ago) are correct. The 'left' are utterly delusional to not acknowledge it. I don't see the political issue with admitting its a mess and actively try to come up with solutions - rather than ignore the issue (Labour did legalise sleeping in tents when they got in).
Euston is close to a Transport hub. Judging from what I have seen with my own eyes. The 'Right wing' (or centre about 10 years ago) are correct. The 'left' are utterly delusional to not acknowledge it. I don't see the political issue with admitting its a mess and actively try to come up with solutions - rather than ignore the issue (Labour did legalise sleeping in tents when they got in).
People mill around.
People beg.
How many times were you stabbed / mugged / shot btw?
crosseyedlion said:
Its declined.
Ive visited frequently for 2 decades and know many people who live there and some who've moved out. They all either comment on the decline and have changed their behaviors because of it, have been victims of crime but didn't bother reporting it or basically are blind to it all.
And yet someone got stabbed to death in Surrey the other day. Ive visited frequently for 2 decades and know many people who live there and some who've moved out. They all either comment on the decline and have changed their behaviors because of it, have been victims of crime but didn't bother reporting it or basically are blind to it all.
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