RE: Mercedes-Benz E63 S AMG | PH Auction Block 
RE: Mercedes-Benz E63 S AMG | PH Auction Block 
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Mercedes-Benz E63 S AMG | PH Auction Block 

One of the last rear-drive E-Class AMG wagons made - need you know more? 


Given how many PH boxes this E63 is ticking - rear-wheel drive mega estate attainable for a lot less than it cost new - you may well have seen this listing already. But just in case you haven’t, this is one very special Mercedes-AMG estate, for a whole host of reasons. Not least the fact that it goes to auction tomorrow. 

This is a 2015 example of the S212 generation of E-Class, meaning it’s one of the very last made - the W213 successor came the year after. It also means this 5.5-litre, twin-turbo V8 estate is just 10 years old, and what a difference a decade makes when it comes to AMG wagons. These days, this car’s equivalent is an E53, which achieves a great deal with its hugely clever PHEV powertrain - but never really tugs at the heartstrings like a great AMG might. It’s a very different prospect to this one despite appearing ostensibly similar, glitzier and more glamorous than what’s now a slightly dour Mercedes family car. These days the AMG status is never in doubt; back in the days of the ‘212, the Affalterbach overhaul was much more subdued. With truly absurd engines under the bonnet, to make a generation of icons. The latest E53 is a really good car, for sure, though it never seems likely to be as loved as this era. 

It was pretty clear at the time, to be honest. Just as most manufacturers were winding down supersaloons and estates with 550hp or so and rear-wheel drive, AMG doubled down on its preference for one driven axle and surfeit of horsepower. As a fresh-faced PH newbie, I remember a 585hp, RWD Mercedes being announced very soon after the then-new C7 RS6, which boasted less power but Quattro as well. Even the standfirst of the PH first drive suggested it was madness to go without four-wheel drive, but what glorious madness it seems now. 

Because AMG made it all work. The really powerful rear-drive cars weren’t undriveable monsters, with limited-slip diff and assists all nicely calibrated to take full advantage of a considered right foot and all that turbo torque. Where the next E63 made you give up all help to go rear-drive only, this obviously kept the assistance, plus some lovely Mercedes steering. And the unrepeatable thrill of your right foot controlling just the rear wheels. 

The S was always a rare beast, introduced towards the end of the W212’s run and adding 35hp for £10,000. Most would probably have been content with just the 550hp, and made their peace living without a factory LSD. Those that do come up for sale tend to be saloons, so this late S wagon must be really rare. And there’s plenty to recommend it beyond just scarcity: there’s a full Mercedes history for its 10 years and 70k, a set of winter tyres is fitted, and the MOT runs until next October. No excuse not to continue exactly as intended, basically.

Nobody needs this much power in an estate car, of course. Those that do may well be tempted by the additional tech and features of the 4.0-litre, 4Matic replacement, or the affordability of an earlier, non-S E63 from this generation. But the 585hp flagship was never for those aiming to fulfil their needs; it was an AMG for the connoisseurs, those that wanted the ultimate representation of rear-drive V8 hedonism with a nod to practicality. It’s for that reason that the E63 S will always be a very special Mercedes, even if just to the few that really know. Don’t be surprised if a few of those place a bid when the auction kicks off tomorrow...


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skylarking808

Original Poster:

986 posts

105 months

Lovely family vehicle.
I would probably debadge for extra PH points.

Alpenus

213 posts

49 months

Don't forget the clear glass conversion

dunc69

846 posts

266 months

Undoubtedly a lovely thing, but 585bhp through the rear tyres would worry me as a daily in winter. At least, for me and those others without top draw driving skills.

My slightly more subdued version with 385bhp and AWD is enough for me!


skylarking808

Original Poster:

986 posts

105 months

Alpenus said:
Don't forget the clear glass conversion
Defo wink

nismo48

5,815 posts

226 months

What a great all round package

Fady

438 posts

223 months

Alpenus said:
Don't forget the clear glass conversion
That would cost a small fortune!

Goatwidcoat

106 posts

54 months

dunc69 said:
Undoubtedly a lovely thing, but 585bhp through the rear tyres would worry me as a daily in winter. At least, for me and those others without top draw driving skills.

My slightly more subdued version with 385bhp and AWD is enough for me!

If you have the correct tyres it shouldn't be a problem, however very few people swap their tyres for winter. Now I have done it though I could never go through winter without changing tyres again as it really is night and day difference. I have the older and less poweful 457hp W204 C63 estate and just fitted some Continental All Season Contact 2's for winter. 1 degree outside last week, half throttle and still no blink from the traction light. A couple of days before in the same scenario the Michelin PS5's would light up. In my previous Kia Stinger 3.3 (which I know you also used to own) I could drive in thick snow with the all seasons no problem at all. It's 90% in the tyres rather than the drivetrain if you want grip in winter. My wife's GR86 has no trouble through winter with Michelin Crossclimates on.

Alpenus

213 posts

49 months

Fady said:
Alpenus said:
Don't forget the clear glass conversion
That would cost a small fortune!
i know.... but worth it incase one day Chris Cooper pulled along side and gave you a nod of recognition

solamanda

29 posts

131 months

I've run one of these (non-s) for 5 years/50k and it's been the most reliable car I've owned, verging on making it sensible running costs even after fuel/tax as it's only needed servicing. They're surprisingly good in winter on PS4's as the power delivery is very smooth, the throttle calibration is perfect and there is zero turbo lag. Our BMW 340i is similar to handle on a wet road despite running cross climates! It's been a truly epic car, it'll cruise down to Italy or provide lots of entertainment on a good road! MPG is pretty respectable too, it averages 24mpg with no effort made to be efficient. The boot is huge and the opening is big, I've fitted three adults, three mountain bikes (one seat folded) and luggage with ease.

I never understand the opposition to tinted rear glass, they're family cars and parents don't want their kids blinded or be able to nap! I'd be wary of a car without tints, as it's not been used by a family.

Miserablegit

4,354 posts

128 months

I use my estate so prefer the tinted glass to keep the scrotes from seeing what I’m carrying.

dunc69

846 posts

266 months

Goatwidcoat said:
dunc69 said:
Undoubtedly a lovely thing, but 585bhp through the rear tyres would worry me as a daily in winter. At least, for me and those others without top draw driving skills.

My slightly more subdued version with 385bhp and AWD is enough for me!

If you have the correct tyres it shouldn't be a problem, however very few people swap their tyres for winter. Now I have done it though I could never go through winter without changing tyres again as it really is night and day difference. I have the older and less poweful 457hp W204 C63 estate and just fitted some Continental All Season Contact 2's for winter. 1 degree outside last week, half throttle and still no blink from the traction light. A couple of days before in the same scenario the Michelin PS5's would light up. In my previous Kia Stinger 3.3 (which I know you also used to own) I could drive in thick snow with the all seasons no problem at all. It's 90% in the tyres rather than the drivetrain if you want grip in winter. My wife's GR86 has no trouble through winter with Michelin Crossclimates on.
Yep, I agree it is 90% tyres! I used to put winters on my Skoda Octavia vRS every year. It was a faff, but was worth it.

I didn’t do that with the Stinger as I was fed up with useless tyre fitters damaging the diamond cut wheels - perhaps should have just bought a set of 18s for the winter. The Stinger definitely squirmed around on the Mendips when it was cold, especially when the tyres got a little lower….maybe at the 3mm mark.

C43 solid as a rock so far, but all-seasons or winters would be even better for sure.



dunc69

846 posts

266 months

@Goatwidcoat how are you enjoying the C63 after the Stinger?

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,504 posts

117 months

Didn't like the dash on these when new. Seemed a bit chintzy. Still looks that way....

cidered77

1,789 posts

216 months

solamanda said:
I've run one of these (non-s) for 5 years/50k and it's been the most reliable car I've owned, verging on making it sensible running costs even after fuel/tax as it's only needed servicing. They're surprisingly good in winter on PS4's as the power delivery is very smooth, the throttle calibration is perfect and there is zero turbo lag. Our BMW 340i is similar to handle on a wet road despite running cross climates! It's been a truly epic car, it'll cruise down to Italy or provide lots of entertainment on a good road! MPG is pretty respectable too, it averages 24mpg with no effort made to be efficient. The boot is huge and the opening is big, I've fitted three adults, three mountain bikes (one seat folded) and luggage with ease.

I never understand the opposition to tinted rear glass, they're family cars and parents don't want their kids blinded or be able to nap! I'd be wary of a car without tints, as it's not been used by a family.
I think a lot of the opposition to window tints has been heavily "influenced" by influencer types who go in on them - i've had loads of estate cars, and they've always been tinted for the same reasons. Like many other things everyone now has an opinion on, but if you really grill them on when this opinion started and why, it gets a bit fuzzy!

Cars like these tho - all desireability had been wiped out by EV, has for me anyway. I always saw these cars for people who had the money, but not the time/space/inclination to have something small and fast alongside their family car, so - get something like this as a compromise. But it's always a compromise - too heavy and big to be a sports car; too thirsty and expensive to run for a 15k miles a year family car (your results above notwithstanding!).

But now i can have my sensible family car, but it can also go Really Really Fast without those practicality compromises, albeit still with too many comprimises to be as enjoyable as a fast, light, smaller ICE car - of course. Is why i plan to keep my boring car + fun car combos going forever..... just that now my practical boring car can now also frighten passengers at traffic lights.



pSyCoSiS

4,019 posts

224 months

Epic car. Probably the only thing I would consider changing my L405 for (albeit, this will have less space).

It's genuinely a great all-rounder. Has the sound, the comfort, the power and excellent interior quality with the extended leather everywhere.

Even in this day and age, not many cars will trouble it. A gentle remap would give you well over 600 BHP.

leglessAlex

6,403 posts

160 months

dunc69 said:
Undoubtedly a lovely thing, but 585bhp through the rear tyres would worry me as a daily in winter. At least, for me and those others without top draw driving skills.
The throttle isn't binary, and in fact it's pretty progressive and easy to modulate.

My one of these was on the weighbridge at 2 tons, so about 287bhp/ton. My A110 has 290bhp/ton, on far more aggressive tyres and I don't struggle in the wet and the cold. I know that's not at all a perfect comparion, but it's really not a big deal, unless you're someone who refuses to drive to the conditions.

I'd love another one of these, they're absolutely magnificent cars. It's getting a little pricy for a good one, and the RWD S are usually poor value given the rarity of them. I don't think they're rare enough or special enough to continue to command a premium as time goes on, but I may well be wrong.

disco666

454 posts

165 months

cidered77 said:
I think a lot of the opposition to window tints has been heavily "influenced" by influencer types who go in on them - i've had loads of estate cars, and they've always been tinted for the same reasons. Like many other things everyone now has an opinion on, but if you really grill them on when this opinion started and why, it gets a bit fuzzy!

Cars like these tho - all desireability had been wiped out by EV, has for me anyway. I always saw these cars for people who had the money, but not the time/space/inclination to have something small and fast alongside their family car, so - get something like this as a compromise. But it's always a compromise - too heavy and big to be a sports car; too thirsty and expensive to run for a 15k miles a year family car (your results above notwithstanding!).

But now i can have my sensible family car, but it can also go Really Really Fast without those practicality compromises, albeit still with too many comprimises to be as enjoyable as a fast, light, smaller ICE car - of course. Is why i plan to keep my boring car + fun car combos going forever..... just that now my practical boring car can now also frighten passengers at traffic lights.
I don't understand that logic at all.
If you need an estate (for dog, bike, whatever) why not have the best you can get?
Surely this is way less compromised than a silent, overweight snooze fest EV.

solamanda

29 posts

131 months

I did the sums yesterday in a Mercedes CLA electric business lease, it worked out only about £1k less per year than running a E63, so I won't be switching anytime soon! Plus I have my cake and eat it, I have a fully analogue track VX220 as well.

Fast estates come into their own when you travel but end up on great roads, that you wouldn't have the time to go back to with a sports car.

muppet42

385 posts

224 months

Really hankering after a V8 after my current ST and AMG is definitely on the list!

I'm more so in the budget for a W204 (facelift estate) but do love the look of the W212. RWD wouldn't terrify me with this kind of power, if you're sensible and (as said) have the right tyres, you'll be fine.

On a related note, keep seeing later model C43s going around and the sound those V6s make always surprises me. If I don't go V8, I'd be tempted to look at them instead of a B58'd 340i based on noise alone laugh

cidered77

1,789 posts

216 months

disco666 said:
cidered77 said:
I think a lot of the opposition to window tints has been heavily "influenced" by influencer types who go in on them - i've had loads of estate cars, and they've always been tinted for the same reasons. Like many other things everyone now has an opinion on, but if you really grill them on when this opinion started and why, it gets a bit fuzzy!

Cars like these tho - all desireability had been wiped out by EV, has for me anyway. I always saw these cars for people who had the money, but not the time/space/inclination to have something small and fast alongside their family car, so - get something like this as a compromise. But it's always a compromise - too heavy and big to be a sports car; too thirsty and expensive to run for a 15k miles a year family car (your results above notwithstanding!).

But now i can have my sensible family car, but it can also go Really Really Fast without those practicality compromises, albeit still with too many comprimises to be as enjoyable as a fast, light, smaller ICE car - of course. Is why i plan to keep my boring car + fun car combos going forever..... just that now my practical boring car can now also frighten passengers at traffic lights.
I don't understand that logic at all.
If you need an estate (for dog, bike, whatever) why not have the best you can get?
Surely this is way less compromised than a silent, overweight snooze fest EV.
Well, is why we're allllll different then i guess, eh!

My version of the best estate I could get was a fully loaded E class, or V90, with an under powered diesel engine so it wouldn't annoy me with regular fuel stops and daft running costs for the 99% boring commuting and tip run miles a daily driver does. Why bother compromising it with a massive engine if it's only good for drag racing ..... spend that premium on something else to go alongside it. If you're spending the best you can afford in an estate car, that's making a compromise elsewhere...

but - just how I always saw the world, your mileage may vary....