US subpoena on a UK company
US subpoena on a UK company
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tinman0

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18,231 posts

270 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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My business partner in the US just asked this question that I have no idea to what the answer is. Any help would be appreciated:

XXX Hosting Company is a UK company... its servers are in the UK.... what are its obligations to submit materials (logs and such) of account activity (access, file upload, edit, delete, etc) within a hosting account under subpoena from (private, non-governmental related) US attorneys?

Let's further say that the issue has nothing to do with illegal activity, i.e. copyright, warez, spam, phishing, etc, and that the logs would only show activity of the account holder, no third parties, and all the account holder did was upload, delete, or modify files of their own creation anyway... blah blah blah.

sadako

7,080 posts

268 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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None whatsoever as far as i am aware, But that probably wont stop them from trying.

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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US law does not apply in the UK.

Jaglover

46,786 posts

265 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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That doesn't stop them extraditing the directors of British companies who they claim have broken US law.

There is a case in the papers at the moment, the new extradition treaty was supposed to be for terrorism suspects not for white collar crime, for an offence that might not even be a criminal one here. What makes it worse is that Congress have not ratified the treaty, so they won't extradite their citizens here.


tallbloke

10,376 posts

313 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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Look at how keen the Americans are to force their citizens to submit to international law. Then ask yourself how seriously we should take their arrogant assumtion that everyone else should submit to their domestic legal process.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

285 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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If this is hanging over your head, make George Galloway a non-exec director....

And watch the Yanks run away......

andy mac

73,668 posts

285 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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Is this the same US that refuses to sign up to the ICC?

keithyboy

1,940 posts

300 months

Friday 7th October 2005
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parrot of doom said:
US law does not apply in the UK.


POD I believe that it is an offence to use US dollars in any money laundering activity in any country in the world . . . including the UK

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

281 months

Saturday 8th October 2005
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The British firm has no obligation to the USA.

The key issue though is to limit time wasting and cheque writing, so the issue should be dealt with at home.

I suggest the appropriate way to deal with it is to say that the UK firm is obligated to work within English Law,
and for the US firm to retain British Lawyers and have them request information, through English courts if necessary.

I'd see it this way, if an English court can make some sort of judgement on the merits of any part of the case, it will probably define jurisdiction and scope, and limit what can happen if the very worst happens.

And in the best case the US client will completely give up as the lawyers fees start to look stupidly expensive.

Piglet

6,250 posts

285 months

Saturday 8th October 2005
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As a practical point check any contract between the companies to see if there is a "choice of law" clause that stipulates what laws should apply to the contract.

condor

8,837 posts

278 months

Saturday 8th October 2005
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The Governing law clause is usually the last thing on the contract before the signatures.
and will probably just simply say

This Agreement is governed by the laws of England.