700-4 coupe - SV roadster
Discussion
Excuse the long story but i’m sort of working through my own issue here..
So.. ive had a 40 odd year journey with cars, started before i could drive, been on ph since Ted started it (because tvr) owned pretty much everything as i have a a very wide taste in cars, JDM, rally inspired, supercars, track cars, GT, custom, hot rod, etc etc, you get the idea.
my 100 odd cars over these years have covered all these genres but my pinacle car was always to be a V12 lambo as i was a Countach kid
loved porsche and ferrari to but lambo was to be my pinacle
Built up over this period resulted in a collection of 11 cars which covered pretty much every genre, I built a facility to house them all as this was also part of my dream and it was brilliant, topped off with the purchase of a V12 Aventador, the dream was realised, then reality came to roost
After a while, it (along with the dream property i built) became apparent that looking after all these possessions was more work than pleasure, they ended up owning me, i had less and less time to use them and became more & more obsessed with keeping ‘the dream picture’ looking right.
So we decided to get rid of as many possessions as we could, release all that time and get rid of many of the responsibilities (not about financial, just about time) & get back to freedom, and what to do with it.
the release of time & lack of responsibility has been fantastic and we’re having a ball, which in itself is conflicting with my car life!
I explain all that so as to maybe explain how much the car in question means to me and why this is a harder car buying dilemma than ive had in a while, getting rid of the others was fairly easy as they were bought as toys, the main car i kept was the lambo, i love it and have covered 12k miles in my 4 years of ownership, done rallys and generally used it in the way it should, mostly on non uk roads to its max, only uk miles were to mot stations to have a place where i could use the cars without too much attention was important.
But my relationship with the car and cars in general has (and are) changing / fading, call it what you like but i get as much joy from it sitting in the garage now as i do driving it, i’m ok with that as i’m getting older and we migrate to appreciating the smaller things that dont risk killing us
But here’s my thing, its an early std. 700-4 and i have the opportunity to buy a reasonably low mileage SV roadster in a colour i love, ticks all boxes (apart from seats i’ll need to change)
its double the money but not an issue other than i always like to get best out of what i’m spending, an SV Roadster is undoubtedly going to appreciate more then the 700-4 but then again its in relation to 300k vs 160k, so would need to if putting the financial cap on, i cant see std 700-4 coupes (good ones) going down any more, only one way for them i think, opinions on that?
Option 1 - sell 700-4 & upgrade to sv roadster, mines a coupe, so gaining a roof off experience with buying the SV
Before option 2, understand, I feel ive lost my passion for cars and i’m trying to find a way back.. i used to love modifying cars and expressing myself through personalising them, wheels, suspension, ecu upgrades etc but the last 10 years there’s been none of it, ive always avoided Porsche & Ferrari due to the UK image around them tbh (wrongly or rightly) and yes i know lambo arent exactly squeaky clean
but i use them mainly in europe, not uk, for the roads and attitudes being different.
Option 2 - Ferrari Pista Spider, never owned a Ferrari (went multiple Maserati route) have that sat there for periodic use in the same vain as the SV roadster?
i find great value in doing things for the first time and i think the pista is stunning, though not driven, but this option is not really for regular driving but pretty sure the actual dynamics will blow the socks off any Aventador, less theatre mind but i might be past that..
Option 3 - again, never having owned a serious porsche, do i go; collectable 911? GT3rs etc and actually use it as we’ll be living in germany for a few months in spring and could attack the tracks there, see if this re-ignites my passion for cars, inject some fun back into things, i’d keep the Aventador with this option
Option 4 - again, keep the and go for something old school, ultima, noble, Sagaris, DeTomaso GT5 etc, modify it, track it in germany again, loads of options in this field, even LS7 powered TVRs, some models i never owned, also Noble m400
I dont know, maybe my car days have simply moved on and having the 2 daily’s (DBS Superleggera volante, L405) are simply enough with something ultra special tucked away.
Maybe me saying i want re-ignite my car passion, is just a different way of saying i want my youth back which is maybe a bit ridiculous
Or maybe its what keeps as young, refusing to let it go and keep looking for stimulation?
Sorry if this comes across as one big brag, its not to some and probably is to others but its not meant that way at all, since moving on and removing many of our possessions, its a proper decision as i wont just keep adding more & more (one is ok) so i want to put in as much thought as possible, then again, nothing is permanent
Thanks for reading and any input is appreciated
So.. ive had a 40 odd year journey with cars, started before i could drive, been on ph since Ted started it (because tvr) owned pretty much everything as i have a a very wide taste in cars, JDM, rally inspired, supercars, track cars, GT, custom, hot rod, etc etc, you get the idea.
my 100 odd cars over these years have covered all these genres but my pinacle car was always to be a V12 lambo as i was a Countach kid
loved porsche and ferrari to but lambo was to be my pinacleBuilt up over this period resulted in a collection of 11 cars which covered pretty much every genre, I built a facility to house them all as this was also part of my dream and it was brilliant, topped off with the purchase of a V12 Aventador, the dream was realised, then reality came to roost
After a while, it (along with the dream property i built) became apparent that looking after all these possessions was more work than pleasure, they ended up owning me, i had less and less time to use them and became more & more obsessed with keeping ‘the dream picture’ looking right.
So we decided to get rid of as many possessions as we could, release all that time and get rid of many of the responsibilities (not about financial, just about time) & get back to freedom, and what to do with it.
the release of time & lack of responsibility has been fantastic and we’re having a ball, which in itself is conflicting with my car life!
I explain all that so as to maybe explain how much the car in question means to me and why this is a harder car buying dilemma than ive had in a while, getting rid of the others was fairly easy as they were bought as toys, the main car i kept was the lambo, i love it and have covered 12k miles in my 4 years of ownership, done rallys and generally used it in the way it should, mostly on non uk roads to its max, only uk miles were to mot stations
to have a place where i could use the cars without too much attention was important.But my relationship with the car and cars in general has (and are) changing / fading, call it what you like but i get as much joy from it sitting in the garage now as i do driving it, i’m ok with that as i’m getting older and we migrate to appreciating the smaller things that dont risk killing us
But here’s my thing, its an early std. 700-4 and i have the opportunity to buy a reasonably low mileage SV roadster in a colour i love, ticks all boxes (apart from seats i’ll need to change)
its double the money but not an issue other than i always like to get best out of what i’m spending, an SV Roadster is undoubtedly going to appreciate more then the 700-4 but then again its in relation to 300k vs 160k, so would need to if putting the financial cap on, i cant see std 700-4 coupes (good ones) going down any more, only one way for them i think, opinions on that?
Option 1 - sell 700-4 & upgrade to sv roadster, mines a coupe, so gaining a roof off experience with buying the SV
Before option 2, understand, I feel ive lost my passion for cars and i’m trying to find a way back.. i used to love modifying cars and expressing myself through personalising them, wheels, suspension, ecu upgrades etc but the last 10 years there’s been none of it, ive always avoided Porsche & Ferrari due to the UK image around them tbh (wrongly or rightly) and yes i know lambo arent exactly squeaky clean
but i use them mainly in europe, not uk, for the roads and attitudes being different.Option 2 - Ferrari Pista Spider, never owned a Ferrari (went multiple Maserati route) have that sat there for periodic use in the same vain as the SV roadster?
i find great value in doing things for the first time and i think the pista is stunning, though not driven, but this option is not really for regular driving but pretty sure the actual dynamics will blow the socks off any Aventador, less theatre mind but i might be past that..
Option 3 - again, never having owned a serious porsche, do i go; collectable 911? GT3rs etc and actually use it as we’ll be living in germany for a few months in spring and could attack the tracks there, see if this re-ignites my passion for cars, inject some fun back into things, i’d keep the Aventador with this option
Option 4 - again, keep the and go for something old school, ultima, noble, Sagaris, DeTomaso GT5 etc, modify it, track it in germany again, loads of options in this field, even LS7 powered TVRs, some models i never owned, also Noble m400
I dont know, maybe my car days have simply moved on and having the 2 daily’s (DBS Superleggera volante, L405) are simply enough with something ultra special tucked away.
Maybe me saying i want re-ignite my car passion, is just a different way of saying i want my youth back which is maybe a bit ridiculous
Or maybe its what keeps as young, refusing to let it go and keep looking for stimulation?
Sorry if this comes across as one big brag, its not to some and probably is to others but its not meant that way at all, since moving on and removing many of our possessions, its a proper decision as i wont just keep adding more & more (one is ok
) so i want to put in as much thought as possible, then again, nothing is permanent Thanks for reading and any input is appreciated
comprehensive write-up, I need to think about it a little more. I have been thinking along similar lines and have to put my cars up for sale due to quitting my job, so no income means no cars (let's hope that changes again at some point) - which one(s) do I keep is the key question (albeit it my case it is more a question of enjoyment vs. bankrupting me and having to have money for food etc....).
As a first thought - given you already spent multiple years with an Aventador, would the SV really give you that much more in terms of ownership / driving pleasure over the current car? I am sure an SV will feel more special, but it is not like an Aventador is not special, so it is a diminishing returns question given it is fundamentally the same base model.
As a first thought - given you already spent multiple years with an Aventador, would the SV really give you that much more in terms of ownership / driving pleasure over the current car? I am sure an SV will feel more special, but it is not like an Aventador is not special, so it is a diminishing returns question given it is fundamentally the same base model.
Not Option 1 - I learnt long ago that buying a newer version of a car you’ve already had just doesn’t give you that tingle.
Other options - if you’re going to love a car you’ll know when you first see it and sit in it. If you have to think about it, don’t.
I have an AV SV - it’s my favourite car. Brutal. But in the real world, how different is it from an earlier AV? A bit.
Other options - if you’re going to love a car you’ll know when you first see it and sit in it. If you have to think about it, don’t.
I have an AV SV - it’s my favourite car. Brutal. But in the real world, how different is it from an earlier AV? A bit.
Kerniki said:
Excuse the long story but i m sort of working through my own issue here..
So.. ive had a 40 odd year journey with cars, started before i could drive, been on ph since Ted started it (because tvr) owned pretty much everything as i have a a very wide taste in cars, JDM, rally inspired, supercars, track cars, GT, custom, hot rod, etc etc, you get the idea.
my 100 odd cars over these years have covered all these genres but my pinacle car was always to be a V12 lambo as i was a Countach kid loved porsche and ferrari to but lambo was to be my pinacle
Built up over this period resulted in a collection of 11 cars which covered pretty much every genre, I built a facility to house them all as this was also part of my dream and it was brilliant, topped off with the purchase of a V12 Aventador, the dream was realised, then reality came to roost
After a while, it (along with the dream property i built) became apparent that looking after all these possessions was more work than pleasure, they ended up owning me, i had less and less time to use them and became more & more obsessed with keeping the dream picture looking right.
So we decided to get rid of as many possessions as we could, release all that time and get rid of many of the responsibilities (not about financial, just about time) & get back to freedom, and what to do with it.
the release of time & lack of responsibility has been fantastic and we re having a ball, which in itself is conflicting with my car life!
I explain all that so as to maybe explain how much the car in question means to me and why this is a harder car buying dilemma than ive had in a while, getting rid of the others was fairly easy as they were bought as toys, the main car i kept was the lambo, i love it and have covered 12k miles in my 4 years of ownership, done rallys and generally used it in the way it should, mostly on non uk roads to its max, only uk miles were to mot stations to have a place where i could use the cars without too much attention was important.
But my relationship with the car and cars in general has (and are) changing / fading, call it what you like but i get as much joy from it sitting in the garage now as i do driving it, i m ok with that as i m getting older and we migrate to appreciating the smaller things that dont risk killing us
But here s my thing, its an early std. 700-4 and i have the opportunity to buy a reasonably low mileage SV roadster in a colour i love, ticks all boxes (apart from seats i ll need to change)
its double the money but not an issue other than i always like to get best out of what i m spending, an SV Roadster is undoubtedly going to appreciate more then the 700-4 but then again its in relation to 300k vs 160k, so would need to if putting the financial cap on, i cant see std 700-4 coupes (good ones) going down any more, only one way for them i think, opinions on that?
Option 1 - sell 700-4 & upgrade to sv roadster, mines a coupe, so gaining a roof off experience with buying the SV
Before option 2, understand, I feel ive lost my passion for cars and i m trying to find a way back.. i used to love modifying cars and expressing myself through personalising them, wheels, suspension, ecu upgrades etc but the last 10 years there s been none of it, ive always avoided Porsche & Ferrari due to the UK image around them tbh (wrongly or rightly) and yes i know lambo arent exactly squeaky clean but i use them mainly in europe, not uk, for the roads and attitudes being different.
Option 2 - Ferrari Pista Spider, never owned a Ferrari (went multiple Maserati route) have that sat there for periodic use in the same vain as the SV roadster?
i find great value in doing things for the first time and i think the pista is stunning, though not driven, but this option is not really for regular driving but pretty sure the actual dynamics will blow the socks off any Aventador, less theatre mind but i might be past that..
Option 3 - again, never having owned a serious porsche, do i go; collectable 911? GT3rs etc and actually use it as we ll be living in germany for a few months in spring and could attack the tracks there, see if this re-ignites my passion for cars, inject some fun back into things, i d keep the Aventador with this option
Option 4 - again, keep the and go for something old school, ultima, noble, Sagaris, DeTomaso GT5 etc, modify it, track it in germany again, loads of options in this field, even LS7 powered TVRs, some models i never owned, also Noble m400
I dont know, maybe my car days have simply moved on and having the 2 daily s (DBS Superleggera volante, L405) are simply enough with something ultra special tucked away.
Maybe me saying i want re-ignite my car passion, is just a different way of saying i want my youth back which is maybe a bit ridiculous
Or maybe its what keeps as young, refusing to let it go and keep looking for stimulation?
Sorry if this comes across as one big brag, its not to some and probably is to others but its not meant that way at all, since moving on and removing many of our possessions, its a proper decision as i wont just keep adding more & more (one is ok) so i want to put in as much thought as possible, then again, nothing is permanent
Thanks for reading and any input is appreciated
Wow some write up ,thought mine were nearer to a novel than a post but sometimes a couple of lines are not quite enough to express So.. ive had a 40 odd year journey with cars, started before i could drive, been on ph since Ted started it (because tvr) owned pretty much everything as i have a a very wide taste in cars, JDM, rally inspired, supercars, track cars, GT, custom, hot rod, etc etc, you get the idea.
my 100 odd cars over these years have covered all these genres but my pinacle car was always to be a V12 lambo as i was a Countach kid
loved porsche and ferrari to but lambo was to be my pinacleBuilt up over this period resulted in a collection of 11 cars which covered pretty much every genre, I built a facility to house them all as this was also part of my dream and it was brilliant, topped off with the purchase of a V12 Aventador, the dream was realised, then reality came to roost
After a while, it (along with the dream property i built) became apparent that looking after all these possessions was more work than pleasure, they ended up owning me, i had less and less time to use them and became more & more obsessed with keeping the dream picture looking right.
So we decided to get rid of as many possessions as we could, release all that time and get rid of many of the responsibilities (not about financial, just about time) & get back to freedom, and what to do with it.
the release of time & lack of responsibility has been fantastic and we re having a ball, which in itself is conflicting with my car life!
I explain all that so as to maybe explain how much the car in question means to me and why this is a harder car buying dilemma than ive had in a while, getting rid of the others was fairly easy as they were bought as toys, the main car i kept was the lambo, i love it and have covered 12k miles in my 4 years of ownership, done rallys and generally used it in the way it should, mostly on non uk roads to its max, only uk miles were to mot stations
to have a place where i could use the cars without too much attention was important.But my relationship with the car and cars in general has (and are) changing / fading, call it what you like but i get as much joy from it sitting in the garage now as i do driving it, i m ok with that as i m getting older and we migrate to appreciating the smaller things that dont risk killing us
But here s my thing, its an early std. 700-4 and i have the opportunity to buy a reasonably low mileage SV roadster in a colour i love, ticks all boxes (apart from seats i ll need to change)
its double the money but not an issue other than i always like to get best out of what i m spending, an SV Roadster is undoubtedly going to appreciate more then the 700-4 but then again its in relation to 300k vs 160k, so would need to if putting the financial cap on, i cant see std 700-4 coupes (good ones) going down any more, only one way for them i think, opinions on that?
Option 1 - sell 700-4 & upgrade to sv roadster, mines a coupe, so gaining a roof off experience with buying the SV
Before option 2, understand, I feel ive lost my passion for cars and i m trying to find a way back.. i used to love modifying cars and expressing myself through personalising them, wheels, suspension, ecu upgrades etc but the last 10 years there s been none of it, ive always avoided Porsche & Ferrari due to the UK image around them tbh (wrongly or rightly) and yes i know lambo arent exactly squeaky clean
but i use them mainly in europe, not uk, for the roads and attitudes being different.Option 2 - Ferrari Pista Spider, never owned a Ferrari (went multiple Maserati route) have that sat there for periodic use in the same vain as the SV roadster?
i find great value in doing things for the first time and i think the pista is stunning, though not driven, but this option is not really for regular driving but pretty sure the actual dynamics will blow the socks off any Aventador, less theatre mind but i might be past that..
Option 3 - again, never having owned a serious porsche, do i go; collectable 911? GT3rs etc and actually use it as we ll be living in germany for a few months in spring and could attack the tracks there, see if this re-ignites my passion for cars, inject some fun back into things, i d keep the Aventador with this option
Option 4 - again, keep the and go for something old school, ultima, noble, Sagaris, DeTomaso GT5 etc, modify it, track it in germany again, loads of options in this field, even LS7 powered TVRs, some models i never owned, also Noble m400
I dont know, maybe my car days have simply moved on and having the 2 daily s (DBS Superleggera volante, L405) are simply enough with something ultra special tucked away.
Maybe me saying i want re-ignite my car passion, is just a different way of saying i want my youth back which is maybe a bit ridiculous
Or maybe its what keeps as young, refusing to let it go and keep looking for stimulation?
Sorry if this comes across as one big brag, its not to some and probably is to others but its not meant that way at all, since moving on and removing many of our possessions, its a proper decision as i wont just keep adding more & more (one is ok
) so i want to put in as much thought as possible, then again, nothing is permanent Thanks for reading and any input is appreciated
what you are trying to get over,So much easier when in a conversation,
Was in a similar position as you a few years ago but,on a lesser scale , Tried to rotate the cars by having a reshuffle by changing the cars
around giving them all a chance to be driven,Never seemed to work whether it was laziness or lack of time probably a bit of both but nine times
out of ten times i ended up driving my daily parked a few feet from my front door
Like you i seemed to get as much pleasure from nipping into the barn and looking at the surrounding than driving them ,
just knowing they were there seemed to be enough,
Owned a lot more Ferrari's than Lamborghini's ,not sure why ,probably there was more of them., ..
Probably had as many Porsches as Ferrari's but as good as they are never really had that sense of occasion as the Italian
stuff ,owned a couple of Pantera's narrow and wide bodied cars along with some high end replica's and Caterhams which i loved because of
their simplicity and rawness and having had most yanks including hot rods much like yourself , in fact i still do .
No regrets after reducing the fleet apart from the LP 400 S Countach which i miss dearly and now couldn't afford to buy it back ,
Even have to go though the torture of seeing it in the background every time i watch Tyrells Classic Workshop
Just miss not seeing it sat in the barn any more ,never failed to put a smile on my face whether sitting or driving it,
For that reason i would 100% go for the SV ,the Pista may seem a little dull in comparison .
In the ideal world you should buy both the SV and the Pista but then creeping towards the same problem you were in before,.
Could always sell the one you least get attached to at a latter date as money doesn't seem to be your problem.
There's a You Tuber on the" Magnacars Channel" who interviews owners of interesting cars with eclectic taste,
One such owner owns a SVJ and a 458 Speciale Aperta and was quite open about enjoying the 458 more than the SVJ ,
This guy previously owned a modified supercharged Huracan and a STO , He felt the SVJ wasn't as agile as his previous Lambo's
Nice problem to have ,sure you will enjoy what ever you decide on,
,
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ratrod 2 said:
No regrets after reducing the fleet apart from the LP 400 S Countach which i miss dearly and now couldn't afford to buy it back ,
Even have to go though the torture of seeing it in the background every time i watch Tyrells Classic Workshop
Just miss not seeing it sat in the barn any more ,never failed to put a smile on my face whether sitting or driving it,
Some great points made, thank for the input Even have to go though the torture of seeing it in the background every time i watch Tyrells Classic Workshop
Just miss not seeing it sat in the barn any more ,never failed to put a smile on my face whether sitting or driving it,
20 years ago I would never have thought I would get so much out of it just sat there in the garage and trolleying it to the mot station or service garage (always make it a proper trip of it mind)
So your point about how much you miss the Countach (ouch by the way
) i fully appreciate & really rings bells for me, i know i’d miss it but then my options were never to be without one for this reason, either i go up a notch with the SV Roadster and cement this relationship for a long time to come or i keep the existing Av and add something ive never dipped into like the Porsche, Nobles, GT5s etcThe worst option is probably the Pista as i wouldnt be adding any play thing but replacing the Aventador which i still adore (as a garage queen admittedly)
The SV is a roadster as opposed to my current Coupe so it would add a little in that respect and also its a much rarer car and more likely to appreciate, which adds to the feeling of it just sat there.
but with this option i wouldnt be adding any play item for spring when i’m in germany for a few months by quite a few tracks, some of which ive never driven, to do these in a Porsche or similar that is new to me, could be the input i need for some car ‘fun’ to return..
What youve said has helped, certainly wont be going Lambo’less’ anytime soon, i think i know i’d definitely regret that
Nothings permanent, I could go Porsche for spring and if bought right, use whilst in germany and then sell for no loss, then get the SV roadster later if those actions havent re-kindled something..
Like you say, good position, i try not to forget this, its not a stressful decision that way, just one that appreciates where i’m at
MDL111 said:
comprehensive write-up, I need to think about it a little more. I have been thinking along similar lines and have to put my cars up for sale due to quitting my job, so no income means no cars (let's hope that changes again at some point) - which one(s) do I keep is the key question (albeit it my case it is more a question of enjoyment vs. bankrupting me and having to have money for food etc....).
As a first thought - given you already spent multiple years with an Aventador, would the SV really give you that much more in terms of ownership / driving pleasure over the current car? I am sure an SV will feel more special, but it is not like an Aventador is not special, so it is a diminishing returns question given it is fundamentally the same base model.
Thats sAs a first thought - given you already spent multiple years with an Aventador, would the SV really give you that much more in terms of ownership / driving pleasure over the current car? I am sure an SV will feel more special, but it is not like an Aventador is not special, so it is a diminishing returns question given it is fundamentally the same base model.
t MDL, only just got the Murci to! still, you did it while you were able to as you never know whats round the corner and you still dont, so good luck with sorting No, i dont think the SV would give me much more, i think it would be a decision that confirms i’m quite happy to just own a garage queen from here on in with the odd blast once in a while, i have other nice daileys that i use anyway, i absolutely adore my DBS superleggera Volante, it does everything, maybe that some of the reason, that run i did on the autobahn recently where i hit 200mph for the first time, i didnt do it in the Aventador, i chose the DBS as its actually a lot quicker since map, so i think the SV will become a trophy of my former car days in a way and i’m quite comfortable with that, i think? on the other hand i want to make sure theres nothing left in the tank that i’m ignoring, so trying to re-ignite the passion, if there is any!
odd i know, but there it is..Maybe option 3 (porsche, noble GT5 etc) for spring, then go and get the sv roadster later on if it hasnt done anything for me in the spring..
Ferruccio said:
Not Option 1 - I learnt long ago that buying a newer version of a car you ve already had just doesn t give you that tingle.
Other options - if you re going to love a car you ll know when you first see it and sit in it. If you have to think about it, don t.
I have an AV SV - it s my favourite car. Brutal. But in the real world, how different is it from an earlier AV? A bit.
Thanks Ferruccio, like your simple answers Other options - if you re going to love a car you ll know when you first see it and sit in it. If you have to think about it, don t.
I have an AV SV - it s my favourite car. Brutal. But in the real world, how different is it from an earlier AV? A bit.
you re completely right, not much really apart from it can sit there and probably pay for its servicing etc with its appreciation, it is a roadster to which adds a slightly different dimension as well. But yeah, certainly not 150k difference but quite honestly its not really about the money, it d be more a statement toward hanging up my track / fun driving cap and going full garage queen 
Edited by Kerniki on Monday 17th November 09:07
Kerniki said:
MDL111 said:
comprehensive write-up, I need to think about it a little more. I have been thinking along similar lines and have to put my cars up for sale due to quitting my job, so no income means no cars (let's hope that changes again at some point) - which one(s) do I keep is the key question (albeit it my case it is more a question of enjoyment vs. bankrupting me and having to have money for food etc....).
As a first thought - given you already spent multiple years with an Aventador, would the SV really give you that much more in terms of ownership / driving pleasure over the current car? I am sure an SV will feel more special, but it is not like an Aventador is not special, so it is a diminishing returns question given it is fundamentally the same base model.
Thats sAs a first thought - given you already spent multiple years with an Aventador, would the SV really give you that much more in terms of ownership / driving pleasure over the current car? I am sure an SV will feel more special, but it is not like an Aventador is not special, so it is a diminishing returns question given it is fundamentally the same base model.
t MDL, only just got the Murci to! still, you did it while you were able to as you never know whats round the corner and you still dont, so good luck with sorting No, i dont think the SV would give me much more, i think it would be a decision that confirms i m quite happy to just own a garage queen from here on in with the odd blast once in a while, i have other nice daileys that i use anyway, i absolutely adore my DBS superleggera Volante, it does everything, maybe that some of the reason, that run i did on the autobahn recently where i hit 200mph for the first time, i didnt do it in the Aventador, i chose the DBS as its actually a lot quicker since map, so i think the SV will become a trophy of my former car days in a way and i m quite comfortable with that, i think? on the other hand i want to make sure theres nothing left in the tank that i m ignoring, so trying to re-ignite the passion, if there is any!
odd i know, but there it is..Maybe option 3 (porsche, noble GT5 etc) for spring, then go and get the sv roadster later on if it hasnt done anything for me in the spring..
you say Porsche and Germany , I need to sell this one - just saying
If you have lost your passion, I think it might be because the 'supercar - fast car - high value car' just becomes all a bit dull and samey, chasing the latest and greatest. Myself and many petrolhead friends have gone full circle. After years of McLarens, GT Porsches and other exotics we are all buying MX5's, Lotus Elise's, 986 Boxsters, Clio Cups and similar. And TBH having as much (if not more) fun thrashing them around at their limits, while the supercars stay in the garage. We can upgrade suspension, brakes, seats, exhausts, all for the price of a Lambo service. When we meet up we mostly talk about our stters and not our fancy stuff. If we don't like them, we just sell them, usually getting our money back or losing very little. And thats fun too. So my advice is get something cheap, thrash-able and fun and get your mojo back.
tters and not our fancy stuff. If we don't like them, we just sell them, usually getting our money back or losing very little. And thats fun too. So my advice is get something cheap, thrash-able and fun and get your mojo back. I think slower cars definitely have something. The car I won't sell is my 70s Targa, which only has c 120-130 hp - I enjoy driving that car a lot. You could pick up one of those for less than 100k and see if it makes you love cars more again - if you don't like it, you can probably sell it for what you paid for it or at least not much less. I also started driving my Clio Cup again and it reminded me how much fun that car is (only drove it as I wanted to sell it, but no buyer, so now it stays for the time being as I am not "giving it away"). Actually those might be the 2 cars that stay long term as they are not that expensive to run and not worth that much while still giving me my driving/car fix.
Bispal said:
If you have lost your passion, I think it might be because the 'supercar - fast car - high value car' just becomes all a bit dull and samey, chasing the latest and greatest. Myself and many petrolhead friends have gone full circle. After years of McLarens, GT Porsches and other exotics we are all buying MX5's, Lotus Elise's, 986 Boxsters, Clio Cups and similar. And TBH having as much (if not more) fun thrashing them around at their limits, while the supercars stay in the garage. We can upgrade suspension, brakes, seats, exhausts, all for the price of a Lambo service. When we meet up we mostly talk about our stters and not our fancy stuff. If we don't like them, we just sell them, usually getting our money back or losing very little. And thats fun too. So my advice is get something cheap, thrash-able and fun and get your mojo back.
Excellent suggestion ,i did the same,after blowing up my track focused 308 GTB at Goodwood it was taking so long to repair i bought a tters and not our fancy stuff. If we don't like them, we just sell them, usually getting our money back or losing very little. And thats fun too. So my advice is get something cheap, thrash-able and fun and get your mojo back. championship winning old skool Caterham 7 x/flow , a lot more fun and if anything fell off it was hundreds not thousands to replace,
that was followed by a Scruffy tarmac rally 500bhp Cosi , intermarque race series Firebird ,more Caterhams and even a track MK2 GTI Golf
plus a rally Suzuki Swift all not high value cars but so much fun without the high expence and worry ,
After 35 years still have the GTB ,with the mileage now at 153 K probably not worth much so might as well stay,
As said as long as there's some exotics in the garage as well it's a good way to go and do the tracks,
MDL111 said:
Kerniki said:
I would take you back to my point about buying keenly though 
fair point - I guess from my perspective, not paying a dealer, quick sale and being nice to a Pistonheads member might tempt me to be reasonable on pricing expectation ratrod 2 said:
Bispal said:
If you have lost your passion, I think it might be because the 'supercar - fast car - high value car' just becomes all a bit dull and samey, chasing the latest and greatest. Myself and many petrolhead friends have gone full circle. After years of McLarens, GT Porsches and other exotics we are all buying MX5's, Lotus Elise's, 986 Boxsters, Clio Cups and similar. And TBH having as much (if not more) fun thrashing them around at their limits, while the supercars stay in the garage. We can upgrade suspension, brakes, seats, exhausts, all for the price of a Lambo service. When we meet up we mostly talk about our stters and not our fancy stuff. If we don't like them, we just sell them, usually getting our money back or losing very little. And thats fun too. So my advice is get something cheap, thrash-able and fun and get your mojo back.
Excellent suggestion ,i did the same,after blowing up my track focused 308 GTB at Goodwood it was taking so long to repair i bought a tters and not our fancy stuff. If we don't like them, we just sell them, usually getting our money back or losing very little. And thats fun too. So my advice is get something cheap, thrash-able and fun and get your mojo back. championship winning old skool Caterham 7 x/flow , a lot more fun and if anything fell off it was hundreds not thousands to replace,
that was followed by a Scruffy tarmac rally 500bhp Cosi , intermarque race series Firebird ,more Caterhams and even a track MK2 GTI Golf
plus a rally Suzuki Swift all not high value cars but so much fun without the high expence and worry ,
After 35 years still have the GTB ,with the mileage now at 153 K probably not worth much so might as well stay,
As said as long as there's some exotics in the garage as well it's a good way to go and do the tracks,
I remember years and years ago when i was still climbing in & out of the best cars i could afford, working my way up the ladder.. there were guys much older than me doing the same thing, even then
I thought at the time ‘yeah, yeah!’ Thats not where its at, i must get better and better, stuff the old cars, i want 300, 400, 500, 600 hp and so on, but the fun slowly goes to sleep..I’m with you already on this idea hence my idea back toward cheaper cars, probably not clio cup performance as i think 300hp with lightweight is where its at for me, thinking back to TVRs i remember my properly sorted 5.2 Griffith on stickier tyres, big breaks, nitrons etc was my most fun, loved going out on track in that and it really held its own against far more formidable machines, i’d really enjoy hunting something like this down and indeed just been offered an LS powered mk2 Sagaris lately, rare as hens teeth apparently (dont know as not been in scene for a long time) seemed expensive at over £110k mind..
That is an amount i’d happily use and abuse on track, equally, a car for 40-50k would appeal even more, like the phase 1 clio v6, can that be set up to be good on track, always fancied one of them..
Someone mentioned an LS powered Chimaera for sale, thats interesting, i love the rv8 but power and track action longevity is a bit limiting, LS would be
Kerniki said:
Agreed, i really get excited at the thought of this, its almost banger racing
I remember years and years ago when i was still climbing in & out of the best cars i could afford, working my way up the ladder.. there were guys much older than me doing the same thing, even then I thought at the time yeah, yeah! Thats not where its at, i must get better and better, stuff the old cars, i want 300, 400, 500, 600 hp and so on, but the fun slowly goes to sleep..
I m with you already on this idea hence my idea back toward cheaper cars, probably not clio cup performance as i think 300hp with lightweight is where its at for me, thinking back to TVRs i remember my properly sorted 5.2 Griffith on stickier tyres, big breaks, nitrons etc was my most fun, loved going out on track in that and it really held its own against far more formidable machines, i d really enjoy hunting something like this down and indeed just been offered an LS powered mk2 Sagaris lately, rare as hens teeth apparently (dont know as not been in scene for a long time) seemed expensive at over £110k mind..
That is an amount i d happily use and abuse on track, equally, a car for 40-50k would appeal even more, like the phase 1 clio v6, can that be set up to be good on track, always fancied one of them..
Someone mentioned an LS powered Chimaera for sale, thats interesting, i love the rv8 but power and track action longevity is a bit limiting, LS would be
I still think going all the way back to what made driving and cars fun is what so many of us need. A total reset. You still talk of 300bhp and £110k. Instead of steering feel, brake modulation, throttle response, ride / handling balance. There is so much more to enjoy at a tactile level than a power / cost level. Obviously you are a man of means. Buying a car from your youth and thrashing it will give you 100x more joy than chasing power / kudos points. I guarantee it. If you have always fancied a Clio V6 then try one. One of my mates did and we took it around Wales in the Spring with McLarens, Ferrari's. Lambos and honestly, no BS, it and an S1 Elise got the most admiration from people we met on our way. And both the drivers kept up and were grinning like Cheshire cats and not talking about warning lights, getting power down or servicing costs. I remember years and years ago when i was still climbing in & out of the best cars i could afford, working my way up the ladder.. there were guys much older than me doing the same thing, even then
I thought at the time yeah, yeah! Thats not where its at, i must get better and better, stuff the old cars, i want 300, 400, 500, 600 hp and so on, but the fun slowly goes to sleep..I m with you already on this idea hence my idea back toward cheaper cars, probably not clio cup performance as i think 300hp with lightweight is where its at for me, thinking back to TVRs i remember my properly sorted 5.2 Griffith on stickier tyres, big breaks, nitrons etc was my most fun, loved going out on track in that and it really held its own against far more formidable machines, i d really enjoy hunting something like this down and indeed just been offered an LS powered mk2 Sagaris lately, rare as hens teeth apparently (dont know as not been in scene for a long time) seemed expensive at over £110k mind..
That is an amount i d happily use and abuse on track, equally, a car for 40-50k would appeal even more, like the phase 1 clio v6, can that be set up to be good on track, always fancied one of them..
Someone mentioned an LS powered Chimaera for sale, thats interesting, i love the rv8 but power and track action longevity is a bit limiting, LS would be
Bispal said:
I still think going all the way back to what made driving and cars fun is what so many of us need. A total reset. You still talk of 300bhp and £110k. Instead of steering feel, brake modulation, throttle response, ride / handling balance. There is so much more to enjoy at a tactile level than a power / cost level. Obviously you are a man of means. Buying a car from your youth and thrashing it will give you 100x more joy than chasing power / kudos points. I guarantee it. If you have always fancied a Clio V6 then try one. One of my mates did and we took it around Wales in the Spring with McLarens, Ferrari's. Lambos and honestly, no BS, it and an S1 Elise got the most admiration from people we met on our way. And both the drivers kept up and were grinning like Cheshire cats and not talking about warning lights, getting power down or servicing costs.
For sure, i only mention pwr/weight ratio as a starting point, tbf any proper sports car in this area can be made to handle well enough that you can have fun, i’m not that bothered with being the quickest out there, just want to be having fun, the 750hp AMG GTR i used last out on track became a bit boring in the end.We've dont a fair few rallies across europe with various cars and mixes and the grins are always biggest on the older stuff keeping up with the newer more powerful machines
last one an e39 m5 joined us, no issues holding on and won a trophy for most gear changes I’m not (and never have been) the one looking for attention tho, its actualy a drawback of the aventador and why i chose europe and not the uk to house it, i can go out when its quiet on empty roads to enjoy, its a nightmare if taken on a rally, nothing grabs the crowd like an aventador, no matter what else is there! its pretty tiring tbh and you have to be in the right mood and appreciative of how others feel about them, else its annoying, which is not fair on the people who are appreciating it, its another reason i stopped driving it as much, crazy eh
I do go to shows in europe and spend most time looking at the 90s specials more than anything else, and today mulling the idea over of getting something and modifying it has me more excited than ive been in a while about cars tbh.
I do like a car that has a reputation for being a bit of a handful, so a phase 1 certainly fits that bill
ACR Viper appeals, same vain as the pantera GT5, hairy chested cars, my 720 was a bit too clinical, always wanted a tuned R35 but thats a bit heavy for track, 993 turbo not really suited to track and £160k minimum, C6 z06 is a good tool £50k ( had the standard), 997 gt3rs, 458 both £100k, Sagaris similar money, happy to go mx5 bbr turbo (think 300hp would be fun in one) the list is endless!
High mileage 458 are 100k, think they’re quite robust, or were.. think a 911 would be a better bet mind
Such a wide range available when you consider my taste but the thinking of ‘what’ is actually getting me fired up.. too many of the old cars have become collectable now i almost feel guilty thinking of them, then again, fek it, get high miler that doesnt fit the queen model and give it the time of its life
Kerniki said:
MDL111 said:
Kerniki said:
I would take you back to my point about buying keenly though
fair point - I guess from my perspective, not paying a dealer, quick sale and being nice to a Pistonheads member might tempt me to be reasonable on pricing expectation WCZ said:
if it was my money i'd probably consider a 360cs - an absolute ton of personality, not overly fast, the loudest road legal ferrari ever made and on the rise price wise
i saw value in them at 160 and almost went for one but now at 200-250, i struggle to see it if i’m honest, its not got the beauty (to me) to just sit there and be admired, its more a car to get out there and use but with the values where they are? you’d destroy any future re-sale.maybe a candidate for the a high mileage purchase and just use it? It’ll probably be nearer 170 to buy, wouldnt drop much that way, i thought about this scenario with the Aventador when i was buying, ended up with a 6k mile example and was probably a mistake as ive tried to keep mileage down.
Edited by Kerniki on Thursday 20th November 02:50
Great problem to have but it’s a real one for the OP
I agree with some comments of, will an SV be different enough for you? Personally i think this will come down to how much you still enjoy driving your current Aventador and whether it’s still that special car for you that gives you that “sense of occasion” i think that the lack of occasion is what many people find and get bored. I think many 911’s have been sold for this very reason. They are just too good and too drivable that you don’t feel its a special drive.
I think an SV Roadster in a colour you love with the roof off is unbeatable plus the residuals are great if thats what you are looking at too.
I agree with some comments of, will an SV be different enough for you? Personally i think this will come down to how much you still enjoy driving your current Aventador and whether it’s still that special car for you that gives you that “sense of occasion” i think that the lack of occasion is what many people find and get bored. I think many 911’s have been sold for this very reason. They are just too good and too drivable that you don’t feel its a special drive.
I think an SV Roadster in a colour you love with the roof off is unbeatable plus the residuals are great if thats what you are looking at too.
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