EV drivers to pay congestion charge in central London
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Electric vehicle drivers to pay congestion charge in central London
Sky News said:
Owners of electric cars will be charged £13.50 a day from 2 January, while those driving electric vans and lorries will pay £9.
Drivers of electric vehicles (EVs) will have to pay congestion charges in central London early next year - a move described by the AA as a "backward" step.
From 2 January, the owners of electric cars will be charged £13.50 a day, while electric van and lorry drivers will pay £9.
These are reductions of 25% and 50% respectively on the £18 which other motorists will have to pay from that date, a £3 increase on the current fee of £15.
At the moment, pure battery-powered EVs are eligible for a 100% discount on the congestion charge, which was first introduced in 2003.
The charges are paid to drive into central London between 7am and 6pm on weekdays, and between noon and 6pm on weekends and bank holidays.
Mayor Sadiq Khan has insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose", claiming the capital faces an increase of 2,200 extra vehicles in the zone on an average weekday next year.
The EV discount will be cut further from 4 March 2030, to 12.5% for cars and 25% for vans and lorries.
But Ginny Buckley, chief executive of EV advice website Electrifying.com, said: "It's far too soon for TfL (Transport for London) to remove exemptions for electric vehicles from the London congestion charge."
Edmund King, the AA president, has urged Sir Sadiq to reconsider.
He said: "This is a backward step which sadly will backfire on air quality in London.
"Many drivers are not quite ready to make the switch to electric vehicles, so incentives are still needed to help them over the line.
"This policy sends a confusing signal. You can't champion clean air while penalising the vehicles that deliver it."
EVs will account for nearly a fifth of all vehicles in the congestion charging zone by the end of this year, according to Transport for London (TfL).
https://news.sky.com/story/electric-vehicle-driver...
So the London Congestion Charge was brought in to reduce harmful emissions from vehicles in Central London and now they want to charge the vehicles that have zero emissions!Drivers of electric vehicles (EVs) will have to pay congestion charges in central London early next year - a move described by the AA as a "backward" step.
From 2 January, the owners of electric cars will be charged £13.50 a day, while electric van and lorry drivers will pay £9.
These are reductions of 25% and 50% respectively on the £18 which other motorists will have to pay from that date, a £3 increase on the current fee of £15.
At the moment, pure battery-powered EVs are eligible for a 100% discount on the congestion charge, which was first introduced in 2003.
The charges are paid to drive into central London between 7am and 6pm on weekdays, and between noon and 6pm on weekends and bank holidays.
Mayor Sadiq Khan has insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose", claiming the capital faces an increase of 2,200 extra vehicles in the zone on an average weekday next year.
The EV discount will be cut further from 4 March 2030, to 12.5% for cars and 25% for vans and lorries.
But Ginny Buckley, chief executive of EV advice website Electrifying.com, said: "It's far too soon for TfL (Transport for London) to remove exemptions for electric vehicles from the London congestion charge."
Edmund King, the AA president, has urged Sir Sadiq to reconsider.
He said: "This is a backward step which sadly will backfire on air quality in London.
"Many drivers are not quite ready to make the switch to electric vehicles, so incentives are still needed to help them over the line.
"This policy sends a confusing signal. You can't champion clean air while penalising the vehicles that deliver it."
EVs will account for nearly a fifth of all vehicles in the congestion charging zone by the end of this year, according to Transport for London (TfL).
https://news.sky.com/story/electric-vehicle-driver...
Supersam83 said:
So the London Congestion Charge was brought in to reduce harmful emissions from vehicles in Central London and now they want to charge the vehicles that have zero emissions!
The congestion charge was brought in to raise revenue, but I assume the excuse given was to reduce 'congestion', hence the name?Either way, it was inevitable. Every which way the motorist can be charged/fined will be utilised.
Supersam83 said:
So the London Congestion Charge was brought in to reduce harmful emissions from vehicles in Central London and now they want to charge the vehicles that have zero emissions!
Well more fool you for believing it. You are being gaslit my friend, in the cause of squeezing more money out of you.Nox levels in central London had dropped dramatically before the charge was ever introduced. You are breathing more NOX in living in your own home than you would be by the roadside in London.
If you work from home and want to reduce your NOX intake, set your chair up by the roadside in London and you will lower your intake. Same for particulates, if you cook at home your particulate intake will be higher than outside, especially if you have gas or wood burning heating as well.
Supersam83 said:
Electric vehicle drivers to pay congestion charge in central London
No, that would be the LEZ then ULEZ. The clue is in ‘congestion’..Sky News said:
Owners of electric cars will be charged £13.50 a day from 2 January, while those driving electric vans and lorries will pay £9.
Drivers of electric vehicles (EVs) will have to pay congestion charges in central London early next year - a move described by the AA as a "backward" step.
From 2 January, the owners of electric cars will be charged £13.50 a day, while electric van and lorry drivers will pay £9.
These are reductions of 25% and 50% respectively on the £18 which other motorists will have to pay from that date, a £3 increase on the current fee of £15.
At the moment, pure battery-powered EVs are eligible for a 100% discount on the congestion charge, which was first introduced in 2003.
The charges are paid to drive into central London between 7am and 6pm on weekdays, and between noon and 6pm on weekends and bank holidays.
Mayor Sadiq Khan has insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose", claiming the capital faces an increase of 2,200 extra vehicles in the zone on an average weekday next year.
The EV discount will be cut further from 4 March 2030, to 12.5% for cars and 25% for vans and lorries.
But Ginny Buckley, chief executive of EV advice website Electrifying.com, said: "It's far too soon for TfL (Transport for London) to remove exemptions for electric vehicles from the London congestion charge."
Edmund King, the AA president, has urged Sir Sadiq to reconsider.
He said: "This is a backward step which sadly will backfire on air quality in London.
"Many drivers are not quite ready to make the switch to electric vehicles, so incentives are still needed to help them over the line.
"This policy sends a confusing signal. You can't champion clean air while penalising the vehicles that deliver it."
EVs will account for nearly a fifth of all vehicles in the congestion charging zone by the end of this year, according to Transport for London (TfL).
https://news.sky.com/story/electric-vehicle-driver...
So the London Congestion Charge was brought in to reduce harmful emissions from vehicles in Central London and now they want to charge the vehicles that have zero emissions!Drivers of electric vehicles (EVs) will have to pay congestion charges in central London early next year - a move described by the AA as a "backward" step.
From 2 January, the owners of electric cars will be charged £13.50 a day, while electric van and lorry drivers will pay £9.
These are reductions of 25% and 50% respectively on the £18 which other motorists will have to pay from that date, a £3 increase on the current fee of £15.
At the moment, pure battery-powered EVs are eligible for a 100% discount on the congestion charge, which was first introduced in 2003.
The charges are paid to drive into central London between 7am and 6pm on weekdays, and between noon and 6pm on weekends and bank holidays.
Mayor Sadiq Khan has insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose", claiming the capital faces an increase of 2,200 extra vehicles in the zone on an average weekday next year.
The EV discount will be cut further from 4 March 2030, to 12.5% for cars and 25% for vans and lorries.
But Ginny Buckley, chief executive of EV advice website Electrifying.com, said: "It's far too soon for TfL (Transport for London) to remove exemptions for electric vehicles from the London congestion charge."
Edmund King, the AA president, has urged Sir Sadiq to reconsider.
He said: "This is a backward step which sadly will backfire on air quality in London.
"Many drivers are not quite ready to make the switch to electric vehicles, so incentives are still needed to help them over the line.
"This policy sends a confusing signal. You can't champion clean air while penalising the vehicles that deliver it."
EVs will account for nearly a fifth of all vehicles in the congestion charging zone by the end of this year, according to Transport for London (TfL).
https://news.sky.com/story/electric-vehicle-driver...
Road2Ruin said:
Isn't the congestion charge separate from ULEZ? One is for congestion, the other is for emissions.
Correct. EVs are automatically exempt from ULEZ charges and currently exempt from Congestion charges if you apoly and pay a £10 annual admin fee. So from next year EVs will have to pay a congestion charge, but not ULEZ charges. Seems fair enough now there are many more EVs trundling around Central London. I have a few customers left in the cc zone and I have had my Nissan env200 for ten years . First parking in the Westminster area was free then it was a small charge first ten minutes
that’s gone . Free road tax gone and now £ 9.00 per visit as well as all the changes to the road set up one ways all over the show no left or right turns roads blocked off so you can’t drive down and cameras and enforcement everywhere .
Mr khan it’s working that’s me done I won’t be driving into the zone , not worth the hassle .The ultimate losers are my few elderly remaining customers who have used me for the last 30 odd yers I have already been refusing new work in the zone even though some have offered lots of extra money for me to go as most trades just won’t go .
Mr Khan making London better !!!!
that’s gone . Free road tax gone and now £ 9.00 per visit as well as all the changes to the road set up one ways all over the show no left or right turns roads blocked off so you can’t drive down and cameras and enforcement everywhere .
Mr khan it’s working that’s me done I won’t be driving into the zone , not worth the hassle .The ultimate losers are my few elderly remaining customers who have used me for the last 30 odd yers I have already been refusing new work in the zone even though some have offered lots of extra money for me to go as most trades just won’t go .
Mr Khan making London better !!!!
Supersam83 said:
So the London Congestion Charge was brought in to reduce harmful emissions from vehicles in Central London and now they want to charge the vehicles that have zero emissions!
Why ?The change is about congestion, not just emissions. Even though EVs are cleaner, they still take up road space.
The previous green discount helped encourage cleaner vehicles, but now with EV uptake much higher, the discount is being phased out to keep the congestion charge effective.
happy fish said:
I have a few customers left in the cc zone and I have had my Nissan env200 for ten years . First parking in the Westminster area was free then it was a small charge first ten minutes
that s gone . Free road tax gone and now £ 9.00 per visit as well as all the changes to the road set up one ways all over the show no left or right turns roads blocked off so you can t drive down and cameras and enforcement everywhere .
Mr khan it s working that s me done I won t be driving into the zone , not worth the hassle .The ultimate losers are my few elderly remaining customers who have used me for the last 30 odd yers I have already been refusing new work in the zone even though some have offered lots of extra money for me to go as most trades just won t go .
Mr Khan making London better !!!!
If you’re being offered loads of extra money then what’s the issue. Cc change and parking are more, I get it, but if you’re being paid more it’ll even out. that s gone . Free road tax gone and now £ 9.00 per visit as well as all the changes to the road set up one ways all over the show no left or right turns roads blocked off so you can t drive down and cameras and enforcement everywhere .
Mr khan it s working that s me done I won t be driving into the zone , not worth the hassle .The ultimate losers are my few elderly remaining customers who have used me for the last 30 odd yers I have already been refusing new work in the zone even though some have offered lots of extra money for me to go as most trades just won t go .
Mr Khan making London better !!!!
happy fish said:
I have a few customers left in the cc zone and I have had my Nissan env200 for ten years . First parking in the Westminster area was free then it was a small charge first ten minutes
that s gone . Free road tax gone and now £ 9.00 per visit as well as all the changes to the road set up one ways all over the show no left or right turns roads blocked off so you can t drive down and cameras and enforcement everywhere .
Mr khan it s working that s me done I won t be driving into the zone , not worth the hassle .The ultimate losers are my few elderly remaining customers who have used me for the last 30 odd yers I have already been refusing new work in the zone even though some have offered lots of extra money for me to go as most trades just won t go .
Mr Khan making London better !!!!
Those who drive EVs in a city are not "entitled" to free parking, free road tax, 100% congestion charge discount etc. that s gone . Free road tax gone and now £ 9.00 per visit as well as all the changes to the road set up one ways all over the show no left or right turns roads blocked off so you can t drive down and cameras and enforcement everywhere .
Mr khan it s working that s me done I won t be driving into the zone , not worth the hassle .The ultimate losers are my few elderly remaining customers who have used me for the last 30 odd yers I have already been refusing new work in the zone even though some have offered lots of extra money for me to go as most trades just won t go .
Mr Khan making London better !!!!
When few people had EVs, those were incentives to persuade drivers to switch from ICE to EV.
Anyone expecting these incentives to remain as more drivers made the switch over time is either naive or entitled or both.
You were fortunate enough to make the most of those incentives for many years and saved a lot of cash on driving and parking in the centre of London, so I'm not sure why you are grumbling today.
Congestion charge: The signal for thousands of large SUVs to be purchased.
(When will people learn, it was a sprat to catch a mackerel... again.)
NB: I always thought that the congestion charge was introduced to reduce the vehicles polluting the air...Or was that ULEZ.
(Congestion... as in health terms)
(When will people learn, it was a sprat to catch a mackerel... again.)
NB: I always thought that the congestion charge was introduced to reduce the vehicles polluting the air...Or was that ULEZ.
(Congestion... as in health terms)
Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 15th November 14:57
Road2Ruin said:
Isn't the congestion charge separate from ULEZ? One is for congestion, the other is for emissions.
They have their own labels but they are simply levies on driving in London which are set at a level that won t really affect driving behaviours, but will generate an income stream. If any of the last three mayors had wanted to reduce congestion, the congestion charge would have been set at a three figure sum. Similarly if Sadiq had wanted the ULEZ and LEZ to result in clean air, there should have been an outright ban on vehicles that did not meet the stipulated emissions level.
The anomaly, if any, is that EVs were exempt from the congestion charge in the first place. One sees that even more clearly when Edmund King is complaining that it’s too soon to impose it: more drivers need to be standing on the net before it’s hauled up with its catch.
Edited by BlackTails on Sunday 16th November 11:25
Muddle238 said:
Makes sense for EVs to pay the CC. Congestion is congestion, regardless of whether the vehicle is powered by coal, diesel, electricity or fairy farts.
I thought the original reason was Congestion "and" to improve air quality.The air quality is now sorted by everyone switching to BEV, so they have to charge cars that produce no local emissions, or the system will collapse.
They did the same years ago with hybrids.
Supersam83 said:
So the London Congestion Charge was brought in to reduce harmful emissions from vehicles in Central London and now they want to charge the vehicles that have zero emissions!
How have you not understood the difference between a congestion charge and the ULEZ charge. An EV causes just as much congestion as an ICE car, no?
raspy said:
Those who drive EVs in a city are not "entitled" to free parking, free road tax, 100% congestion charge discount etc.
When few people had EVs, those were incentives to persuade drivers to switch from ICE to EV.
Anyone expecting these incentives to remain as more drivers made the switch over time is either naive or entitled or both.
You were fortunate enough to make the most of those incentives for many years and saved a lot of cash on driving and parking in the centre of London, so I'm not sure why you are grumbling today.
I'm not grumbling, I've had my cake and very much enjoyed eating it. I will still continue to do so if only in fuel savings alone (for now).When few people had EVs, those were incentives to persuade drivers to switch from ICE to EV.
Anyone expecting these incentives to remain as more drivers made the switch over time is either naive or entitled or both.
You were fortunate enough to make the most of those incentives for many years and saved a lot of cash on driving and parking in the centre of London, so I'm not sure why you are grumbling today.
Even if it was fully tax equivalent I still prefer driving an EV to my previous V10, V8's and won't change.
Edit: Khan can still go f**k himself for a million other reasons.
Edited by RobbyJ on Sunday 16th November 21:11
Milkyway said:
Congestion charge: The signal for thousands of large SUVs to be purchased.
(When will people learn, it was a sprat to catch a mackerel... again.)
Bath Council were just running a consultation on a vehicles area based charges for residents' parking permits. (When will people learn, it was a sprat to catch a mackerel... again.)
Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 15th November 14:57
FOr example a Toyota Aygo will have £10 off the normal price (say pay £100 instead of norm £120, CBA to check) Audi Q7 add £56.00.
Seems reasonable Baths tiny streets aren't going to get any wider and a longer car reduces the number of spaces overall.
https://www.bathnes.gov.uk/preliminary-consultatio...
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