Redundancy. Does at risk mean what I think it does?
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Hi all,
Partner been told she’s ‘at risk’ of being made redundant. Having not been through the process and working in a very unconventional field I’m not really aware of how it works.
The cynic in me says they’ve already made their decision and ‘at risk’ is just following the legal side?
Thoughts would be welcome. Thank you.
Partner been told she’s ‘at risk’ of being made redundant. Having not been through the process and working in a very unconventional field I’m not really aware of how it works.
The cynic in me says they’ve already made their decision and ‘at risk’ is just following the legal side?
Thoughts would be welcome. Thank you.
TT1138 said:
Hi all,
Partner been told she s at risk of being made redundant. Having not been through the process and working in a very unconventional field I m not really aware of how it works.
The cynic in me says they ve already made their decision and at risk is just following the legal side?
Thoughts would be welcome. Thank you.
How my others are also at risk, how many do her role?Partner been told she s at risk of being made redundant. Having not been through the process and working in a very unconventional field I m not really aware of how it works.
The cynic in me says they ve already made their decision and at risk is just following the legal side?
Thoughts would be welcome. Thank you.
Well if they are getting rid of a whole department they will all be put at risk, if they are getting rid of 2 members of 10 strong team all on the same job description they will need to put the whole team on "at risk" to comply with the law.
So chances are they already know who will be leaving and are just complying with the law. It does not mean she will be made redundant.
So chances are they already know who will be leaving and are just complying with the law. It does not mean she will be made redundant.
ARH said:
Well if they are getting rid of a whole department they will all be put at risk, if they are getting rid of 2 members of 10 strong team all on the same job description they will need to put the whole team on "at risk" to comply with the law.
So chances are they already know who will be leaving and are just complying with the law. It does not mean she will be made redundant.
Thanks, that’s just what I needed to know. As above, about half going, but all been told at risk. I assume they know who they’re getting rid of already? So chances are they already know who will be leaving and are just complying with the law. It does not mean she will be made redundant.
TT1138 said:
Hi all,
Partner been told she s at risk of being made redundant. Having not been through the process and working in a very unconventional field I m not really aware of how it works.
The cynic in me says they ve already made their decision and at risk is just following the legal side?
Thoughts would be welcome. Thank you.
"At risk" is following the legal side.Partner been told she s at risk of being made redundant. Having not been through the process and working in a very unconventional field I m not really aware of how it works.
The cynic in me says they ve already made their decision and at risk is just following the legal side?
Thoughts would be welcome. Thank you.
Whether or not they've already made their decision depends on the integrity of the management. They should have a criteria against which at-risk employees will be scored against. This should all be fair and above board but it can be manipulated if management dont like somebody.
note that while the company may have a list of people they will remove this can change because they will likely offer voluntary redundancy that will include ALL the at risk including people they 'want' to stay - one of more of those people may take their offer leaving an opportunity for another to stay.
southendpier said:
note that while the company may have a list of people they will remove this can change because they will likely offer voluntary redundancy that will include ALL the at risk including people they 'want' to stay - one of more of those people may take their offer leaving an opportunity for another to stay.
IME they wouldn't offer VER precisely because there are specific people they want to get rid of.Offering VER means you risk losing your best people (who will take the money confident in the knowledge that they'll be able to secure a similar or better role elsewhere) and you're left with the dross who aren't as confident and are the ones you wanted to get rid of in the first place.
Countdown said:
southendpier said:
note that while the company may have a list of people they will remove this can change because they will likely offer voluntary redundancy that will include ALL the at risk including people they 'want' to stay - one of more of those people may take their offer leaving an opportunity for another to stay.
IME they wouldn't offer VER precisely because there are specific people they want to get rid of.Offering VER means you risk losing your best people (who will take the money confident in the knowledge that they'll be able to secure a similar or better role elsewhere) and you're left with the dross who aren't as confident and are the ones you wanted to get rid of in the first place.
The important thing is the company should explain every step to the staff - don't be worried about asking questions too.
TT1138 said:
Hi all,
Partner been told she s at risk of being made redundant. Having not been through the process and working in a very unconventional field I m not really aware of how it works.
The cynic in me says they ve already made their decision and at risk is just following the legal side?
Thoughts would be welcome. Thank you.
I was put at risk many years ago and ultimately was made redundant, regardless of whether this may turn out to be the case for your partner I would look into the T&C's of her contract of employment to understand what she may be entitled to or not.Partner been told she s at risk of being made redundant. Having not been through the process and working in a very unconventional field I m not really aware of how it works.
The cynic in me says they ve already made their decision and at risk is just following the legal side?
Thoughts would be welcome. Thank you.
On another note, the company I am working at now have announced the same for all of one department and they are outsourcing this work to a 3rd party based in India. I know that everyone who has been told they have been put at risk will be going and it had already been determined ahead of the announcement, they are just following the legal process before confirming with the unfortunate individuals.
So, I would be prepared for the worse case scenario.
Redundancy is a terrible experience on both sides of the fence.
The calculation of who is going is a black art. From the company's point of view they want to finish up with the people they want to finish up with. The metrics are usually skewed to make sure this happens.
I've been on both sides a few times & it never gets any easier. (I once had to make a few hundred redundant, and once I'd been through that stressful process somebody from head office came & made me redundant).
Sometimes being one of the ones being made redundant turns out to be the best thing!
Good luck.
The calculation of who is going is a black art. From the company's point of view they want to finish up with the people they want to finish up with. The metrics are usually skewed to make sure this happens.
I've been on both sides a few times & it never gets any easier. (I once had to make a few hundred redundant, and once I'd been through that stressful process somebody from head office came & made me redundant).
Sometimes being one of the ones being made redundant turns out to be the best thing!
Good luck.
Depends on the overall circumstances. I've been at risk three times.
1st time: Redeployed into a different job in the same company. One other redeployed, the other two took redundancy.
2nd time: Company closed the branch, Everyone went as the only option to stay was to redeploy at head office 150 miles away.
3rd time: Offered new roles which i declined so I was made redundant. Four others were at risk, three stayed in their jobs, one redeployed into a new role.
1st time: Redeployed into a different job in the same company. One other redeployed, the other two took redundancy.
2nd time: Company closed the branch, Everyone went as the only option to stay was to redeploy at head office 150 miles away.
3rd time: Offered new roles which i declined so I was made redundant. Four others were at risk, three stayed in their jobs, one redeployed into a new role.
Only been through this once, our business was taken over by a bigger competitor.
Had 3 options:
1 - Redundancy
2 - Continue in current role, but at their Head Office 200 miles away
3 - I could apply for any other vacancies that were available in the business
I took redundancy, I'd already hung on for 18 months as they went department by department through the same process because I'd been there for over 10 years and was on a good redundancy package that I wasn't giving up. Finally it was my department's time, I had the 1 month consultation period then I was on 3 months notice period, so ended up leaving work on 3 months full pay with the redundancy package and all remaining holiday entitlement paid too.
Had 3 options:
1 - Redundancy
2 - Continue in current role, but at their Head Office 200 miles away
3 - I could apply for any other vacancies that were available in the business
I took redundancy, I'd already hung on for 18 months as they went department by department through the same process because I'd been there for over 10 years and was on a good redundancy package that I wasn't giving up. Finally it was my department's time, I had the 1 month consultation period then I was on 3 months notice period, so ended up leaving work on 3 months full pay with the redundancy package and all remaining holiday entitlement paid too.
Just to follow up. Department halving, hoping she’ll be kept as she’s been there a while and works very hard. Final decision will be end of year. Tense couple of months ahead. Have told her to get CV up to date and start looking anyway.
Thanks for the assistance and explaining the process.
Thanks for the assistance and explaining the process.
Full and useful advice on the ACAS website here: https://www.acas.org.uk/redundancy
Well worth a read. Good luck to Mrs TT1138.
Well worth a read. Good luck to Mrs TT1138.
TT1138 said:
Just to follow up. Department halving, hoping she ll be kept as she s been there a while and works very hard. Final decision will be end of year. Tense couple of months ahead. Have told her to get CV up to date and start looking anyway.
Thanks for the assistance and explaining the process.
What a poor time of the year to announce it Thanks for the assistance and explaining the process.
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