Police breach GDPR using my address for ex friends Bail
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Hi I've been a long term lurker and user bit wanted to disassociate with this. (I don't know if someone could move the to SP&L)
I have a friend/now sort of ex-friend who approx 18 months ago was arrested in connection with a fraud against members of his family and the situation worsened as such that he lost his home due to family and was living in a van.
On his last bail answer and interview it was found he was homeless and the CID officer asked him if he could use his friends address (ie mine) I guess to prevent remanding him, he doesn't actually know the address due to literacy issues and also never been there.
My ex friend told me this when I bumped into him and I asked him what address have they used. He said he doesn't know.
Cue a couple of weeks ago uniformed officers turn up at my parents address at 6am causing distress and asking for someone my parents have never heard of and being a well to do family has caused me all manner of embarrassment and very awkward questions to answer and made my family relationships difficult.
I don't live with my parents (did for 6 months during relationship breakdown approx 10 years ago and got a speeding ticket then) which is where I assume this address has come from.
Now surely this has to be illegal. I've never given this permission and would have declined if I had been asked. This has caused significant issues for me not being included in family gatherings since etc.
What can I do about this. I know I need proper legal advice. I am extremely angry this has happened and feel that this is an injustice that needs dealing with both on the officer level (has to be some kind of misconduct) and the force itself either compensation as it has certainly defamed my character with family and my 'choices' as my mother stated.
Obviously you guys may feel I'm moaning unnecessarily but if this kind of thing is going on now how far does it go.
Any advice would be appreciated what to do next.
Many thanks
I have a friend/now sort of ex-friend who approx 18 months ago was arrested in connection with a fraud against members of his family and the situation worsened as such that he lost his home due to family and was living in a van.
On his last bail answer and interview it was found he was homeless and the CID officer asked him if he could use his friends address (ie mine) I guess to prevent remanding him, he doesn't actually know the address due to literacy issues and also never been there.
My ex friend told me this when I bumped into him and I asked him what address have they used. He said he doesn't know.
Cue a couple of weeks ago uniformed officers turn up at my parents address at 6am causing distress and asking for someone my parents have never heard of and being a well to do family has caused me all manner of embarrassment and very awkward questions to answer and made my family relationships difficult.
I don't live with my parents (did for 6 months during relationship breakdown approx 10 years ago and got a speeding ticket then) which is where I assume this address has come from.
Now surely this has to be illegal. I've never given this permission and would have declined if I had been asked. This has caused significant issues for me not being included in family gatherings since etc.
What can I do about this. I know I need proper legal advice. I am extremely angry this has happened and feel that this is an injustice that needs dealing with both on the officer level (has to be some kind of misconduct) and the force itself either compensation as it has certainly defamed my character with family and my 'choices' as my mother stated.
Obviously you guys may feel I'm moaning unnecessarily but if this kind of thing is going on now how far does it go.
Any advice would be appreciated what to do next.
Many thanks
Starwing said:
Hi I've been a long term lurker and user bit wanted to disassociate with this. (I don't know if someone could move the to SP&L)
I have a friend/now sort of ex-friend who approx 18 months ago was arrested in connection with a fraud against members of his family and the situation worsened as such that he lost his home due to family and was living in a van.
On his last bail answer and interview it was found he was homeless and the CID officer asked him if he could use his friends address (ie mine) I guess to prevent remanding him, he doesn't actually know the address due to literacy issues and also never been there.
My ex friend told me this when I bumped into him and I asked him what address have they used. He said he doesn't know.
Cue a couple of weeks ago uniformed officers turn up at my parents address at 6am causing distress and asking for someone my parents have never heard of and being a well to do family has caused me all manner of embarrassment and very awkward questions to answer and made my family relationships difficult.
I don't live with my parents (did for 6 months during relationship breakdown approx 10 years ago and got a speeding ticket then) which is where I assume this address has come from.
Now surely this has to be illegal. I've never given this permission and would have declined if I had been asked. This has caused significant issues for me not being included in family gatherings since etc.
What can I do about this. I know I need proper legal advice. I am extremely angry this has happened and feel that this is an injustice that needs dealing with both on the officer level (has to be some kind of misconduct) and the force itself either compensation as it has certainly defamed my character with family and my 'choices' as my mother stated.
Obviously you guys may feel I'm moaning unnecessarily but if this kind of thing is going on now how far does it go.
Any advice would be appreciated what to do next.
Many thanks
Isn't the root cause you having been friends with an alleged fraudster? Might your mum have a point?I have a friend/now sort of ex-friend who approx 18 months ago was arrested in connection with a fraud against members of his family and the situation worsened as such that he lost his home due to family and was living in a van.
On his last bail answer and interview it was found he was homeless and the CID officer asked him if he could use his friends address (ie mine) I guess to prevent remanding him, he doesn't actually know the address due to literacy issues and also never been there.
My ex friend told me this when I bumped into him and I asked him what address have they used. He said he doesn't know.
Cue a couple of weeks ago uniformed officers turn up at my parents address at 6am causing distress and asking for someone my parents have never heard of and being a well to do family has caused me all manner of embarrassment and very awkward questions to answer and made my family relationships difficult.
I don't live with my parents (did for 6 months during relationship breakdown approx 10 years ago and got a speeding ticket then) which is where I assume this address has come from.
Now surely this has to be illegal. I've never given this permission and would have declined if I had been asked. This has caused significant issues for me not being included in family gatherings since etc.
What can I do about this. I know I need proper legal advice. I am extremely angry this has happened and feel that this is an injustice that needs dealing with both on the officer level (has to be some kind of misconduct) and the force itself either compensation as it has certainly defamed my character with family and my 'choices' as my mother stated.
Obviously you guys may feel I'm moaning unnecessarily but if this kind of thing is going on now how far does it go.
Any advice would be appreciated what to do next.
Many thanks
Sounds unpleasant but depends on the real question that was asked, if they pushed him to give an address they knew he wasn't living at that's quite different to asking if he has an address of someone he stays with to which he's decided to give your parent's address. How reliable is your friend's story?
If the latter then can't expect the police to do anything other than assume it's an address he uses. If the former then yeah, sounds dodgy.
If the latter then can't expect the police to do anything other than assume it's an address he uses. If the former then yeah, sounds dodgy.
Hi he has no knowledge of that address. The officer also knows of our relationship deteriorating. He doesn't know that address or even my current one.
He has not been using or staying at any of my addresses.
It was has coercive manipulative behavior that has become more apparent since all this started. It was directed at his family and I wasn't aware of it prior to him being arrested etc
He has not been using or staying at any of my addresses.
It was has coercive manipulative behavior that has become more apparent since all this started. It was directed at his family and I wasn't aware of it prior to him being arrested etc
@mikeyr the thing is he doesn't know this address. Never been there or seen it etc. only possible way is through abuse of the PNC for officer to obtain my address.
Our friendship was always kind of distanced. Never particularly close and yet he could drive to my current address he wouldn't be able to recite it.
But police using an address from 10 years ago for his bail address cannot be legal.
Our friendship was always kind of distanced. Never particularly close and yet he could drive to my current address he wouldn't be able to recite it.
But police using an address from 10 years ago for his bail address cannot be legal.
Starwing said:
This has caused significant issues for me not being included in family gatherings since etc... it has certainly defamed my character with family and my 'choices' as my mother stated.
Seems a very harsh way to treat your child. I think my parents wouldn't have been best pleased, but to cut you off and ostracise you for something that is totally out of your control and the fault of someone else, suggests a deeper issue in the relationship with them.ETA, you don't need legal advice. Why not ring the police on 101 ask to be put through to someone at the local station, explain the situation and ask them to remedy it.
Edited by MattsCar on Tuesday 11th November 10:40
toastyhamster said:
A very quick Google search should give you your answer but in short, no, provided there is reasonable and just cause they've done nothing wrong.
Emergency services have all sorts of valid reasons for tracking people down.
I know they have exemptions and I have no problem with myself being tracked down. But the officer knows he's living in a van. Surely at least they should actually seek my permission to use my address for someone who isn't family etcEmergency services have all sorts of valid reasons for tracking people down.
AB said:
What struck me more is being cut off by your family because an old friend used their address for something. I'd start working on that rather than worrying about the police and your old friend tbh.
I say cut off is probably quite extreme. It's just caused awkwardness and odd questions etc for a situation I believe I shouldn't be in.Starwing said:
On his last bail answer and interview it was found he was homeless and the CID officer asked him if he could use his friends address (ie mine) I guess to prevent remanding him, he doesn't actually know the address due to literacy issues and also never been there.
My ex friend told me this when I bumped into him and I asked him what address have they used. He said he doesn't know.
TBH I think the issue here is believing your ex friend.My ex friend told me this when I bumped into him and I asked him what address have they used. He said he doesn't know.
As for compensation, I'm not sure what you might receive as recompense for being asked some awkward questions by your mum.
I don't think there's anything you could realistically do about someone giving police false information to act upon.
If he'd found some other random persons name and address and told them that was who he was staying with, the police would likely have checked that as well.
I've known some folk in the past who I wouldn't put past claiming they were staying with me if it'd get them out of a pickle despite not having seen them in 10+ years or them knowing where I live any more.
Tracking down an address based on that sort of information and then checking is kinda what the police are supposed to to.
If he'd found some other random persons name and address and told them that was who he was staying with, the police would likely have checked that as well.
I've known some folk in the past who I wouldn't put past claiming they were staying with me if it'd get them out of a pickle despite not having seen them in 10+ years or them knowing where I live any more.
Tracking down an address based on that sort of information and then checking is kinda what the police are supposed to to.
Struggling to get on board with this at all.
Police officer has been told that criminal is at an address.
Next step - go to address, ask if they are there. I'm unsure what rules or procedures you think are not being followed here.
Perhaps being a 'well to do family' you believe yourselves to be outside of the law and normal Policing, unlike the rest of us plebs?
The fact your own family doesnt get on with each other is your problem to resolve.
Police officer has been told that criminal is at an address.
Next step - go to address, ask if they are there. I'm unsure what rules or procedures you think are not being followed here.
Perhaps being a 'well to do family' you believe yourselves to be outside of the law and normal Policing, unlike the rest of us plebs?
The fact your own family doesnt get on with each other is your problem to resolve.
AB said:
What struck me more is being cut off by your family because an old friend used their address for something. I'd start working on that rather than worrying about the police and your old friend tbh.
Yup. Doesn't honestly sound like the issue is anything to do with the police but rather that such a minor issue was the catalyst for your family going weird on you. snotrag said:
Struggling to get on board with this at all.
Police officer has been told that criminal is at an address.
Next step - go to address, ask if they are there. I'm unsure what rules or procedures you think are not being followed here.
Perhaps being a 'well to do family' you believe yourselves to be outside of the law and normal Policing, unlike the rest of us plebs?
The fact your own family doesnt get on with each other is your problem to resolve.
If I'm reading the original post correctly, the OP is saying that the fraudster did not know the address, he thinks the Police looked it up on their database and used it.Police officer has been told that criminal is at an address.
Next step - go to address, ask if they are there. I'm unsure what rules or procedures you think are not being followed here.
Perhaps being a 'well to do family' you believe yourselves to be outside of the law and normal Policing, unlike the rest of us plebs?
The fact your own family doesnt get on with each other is your problem to resolve.
Is that correct OP or have I misunderstood?
Edited by budgie smuggler on Tuesday 11th November 11:31
Ian974 said:
I don't think there's anything you could realistically do about someone giving police false information to act upon.
If he'd found some other random persons name and address and told them that was who he was staying with, the police would likely have checked that as well.
I've known some folk in the past who I wouldn't put past claiming they were staying with me if it'd get them out of a pickle despite not having seen them in 10+ years or them knowing where I live any more.
Tracking down an address based on that sort of information and then checking is kinda what the police are supposed to to.
If I read the OP correctly the fraudster ex friend didn't give the police any false information; the CID officer looked up the OP's address and decided to use it as the fraudsters address without any input or agreement from the OP.If he'd found some other random persons name and address and told them that was who he was staying with, the police would likely have checked that as well.
I've known some folk in the past who I wouldn't put past claiming they were staying with me if it'd get them out of a pickle despite not having seen them in 10+ years or them knowing where I live any more.
Tracking down an address based on that sort of information and then checking is kinda what the police are supposed to to.
Is that correct OP?
Looking the address up is a moot point, if you're on file as a known associate of this charming individual, then they are entirely within theirs rights to look for the address. The only way you can stop that, is to break all associations with said individual. Obviously I mean actually do that too, don't just pretend to the police and then continue to have dealings with them, otherwise that counts as perverting the course of justice.
Vsix and Vtec said:
Looking the address up is a moot point, if you're on file as a known associate of this charming individual, then they are entirely within theirs rights to look for the address. The only way you can stop that, is to break all associations with said individual. Obviously I mean actually do that too, don't just pretend to the police and then continue to have dealings with them, otherwise that counts as perverting the course of justice.
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