RE: Jaguar XFR | PH Auction Block
RE: Jaguar XFR | PH Auction Block
Monday 10th November

Jaguar XFR | PH Auction Block

Lest we forget, all 5.0-litre Jaguars were lovely, but those badged 'R' really were something special


Put simply, it’s unclear where the future of fast Jaguars goes from here. Given its remit and price point, whatever the Type 00 becomes clearly isn’t going to be slow by any stretch of the imagination - but we don’t know yet whether new-gen Jag will want to resurrect the idea of super-saloons from old Jag. While plenty are attempting just that with their electric cars - think of the AMG EVs, the uber Taycans, the M-badged BMW i cars - maybe Jaguar’s focus will be elsewhere. It’s hardly like 1,000hp four-door EVs are flying out of the showrooms. Perhaps the Type 00 will emerge instead as something akin to a Rolls-Royce Spectre at half the money. Frankly, we’d be happy to see it be anything right now, the production car delayed again because of JLR’s recent woes. Godspeed… 

It would be sad if we've seen the end of fast Jaguar four-doors, simply because so many good ones have been made over so many years. All the way back to MkII hot rods, through XJRs, S-Types and XEs, the flagship Jaguars have always offered up a compelling blend of luxury, style, performance and panache. The engine has always been a big part of the appeal, sure, though maybe not to quite the same extent it might be in an AMG or M car. The notion of a flagship Jaguar boasting some classic attributes and electric power doesn’t seem out of the question, basically. 

But let’s divert from the ifs and maybes of Jaguar’s future to the certainties of its recent past. Specifically, this 2010 XFR, set to be auctioned this weekend. Back when a top-of-the-range XF was confirmed at the end of the '00s, hopes were high, given the quality of both the standard saloon and similar R-badged Jags; this would be the first installation of the 5.0-litre V8, too, giving a meaningful boost in power to the supercharged lineup.  

The 510hp didn’t disappoint, either, even faster and plusher than was expected. It tended to get the nod over the equivalent M5 in comparisons, in fact. By that time the V10 E60 was a few years old, though hardly over the hill. And it’s the era that nobody can get enough of right now (see recent auction results for evidence of that). So this was clearly a very, very good Jaguar. 

Facelifts and updates would come over time, culminating in the wild XFR-S, though the fundamentals continued largely unchanged. Buying an earlier one like this most certainly guarantees the authentic XFR experience; it just has the weirder-looking headlights. This example, as well as looking like a lot of those early press cars with smoke billowing off the rear tyres, has covered just under 90,000 with three owners in 15 years. Nice numbers: the mileage has nudged up consistently by a few thousand each year, and keepers haven’t abandoned ship as soon as some money has needed spending. 

Recent outlay on this one has been reassuringly generous, including (but not limited to) a dash retrim in 2022 because they shrink - which it looks great for - a refurbishment of the supercharger in 2024, plus new front discs and pads earlier this year. On a car the size and speed of an XFR, that won’t have been a small job. 

Definitely it presents like a Jag that’s been cared for, the red having lost precious little of its lustre and the interior well preserved. It’s easy to imagine many more happy miles with the gear selector rising to greet you every time, especially with third-party upgrades now available to modernise the infotainment screen. We won’t say it looks like new, because it doesn’t - nothing could - but it does look like a great example of a much-loved Jag. Even the sunroof works. 

Finally, without wishing to put too fine a point on it, XFRs seem to represent enormous value for money right now. There are cars in the classifieds for less than £10,000, and low-mileage minters at less than £20k, for some idea of where this might end up. At a time when M5s are regularly offered near £30k. So while the future of fast Jaguars isn’t exactly clear, one thing’s for certain right now: XFRs offer up a huge amount of V8 thrills for not very much. Despite everything else, that sounds like very good news indeed. 


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SpadeBrigade

Original Poster:

784 posts

158 months

Lovely cars, big fan of x250 s in general. Interior was much nicer than the x260. The biggest problem is they rust underneath so badly. If you buy one, take the sideskirts off and inspect the sills, it s only a half hour job. They have thick foam in the skirts which becomes completely clogged with mud and water and they rot. Ive seem mint x250s but their sills are going bad big time. And that’s before we mention subframes.

Edited by SpadeBrigade on Monday 10th November 13:05

Resolutionary

1,450 posts

190 months

SpadeBrigade said:
Lovely cars, big fan of x250 s in general. Interior was much nicer than the x260. The biggest problem is they rust underneath so badly. If you buy one, take the sideskirts off and inspect the sills, it s only a half hour job. They have thick foam in the skirts which becomes completely clogged with mud and water and they rot. Ive seem mint x250s but their sills are going bad big time. And that s before we mention subframes.

Edited by SpadeBrigade on Monday 10th November 13:05
That's not endemic to these Jags - I've yet to see an 'older' car that isn't blighted by sill grot or subframe grime. Seemingly car designers, engineers and suppliers have no long-term solution to this widespread issue - apart from an initial warranty, I suppose.

NGK210

4,244 posts

164 months

Re. subframes, imho there is a solution: galvanizing and then, to be belt ‘n’ braces, also applying the type of aftermarket weapon-grade underseal our Nordic cousins use on their 4x4s?
Lovely car, btw, just not in red.

Water Fairy

6,280 posts

174 months

NGK210 said:
Re. subframes, imho there is a solution: galvanizing and then, to be belt n braces, also applying the type of aftermarket weapon-grade underseal our Nordic cousins use on their 4x4s?
Lovely car, btw, just not in red.
What he said

Edited by Water Fairy on Monday 10th November 15:03

disco666

441 posts

165 months

Always wished they had done an estate version of this, instead of just the limited and expensive R-R version.
I would have tried one for sure.

nismo48

5,769 posts

226 months

Bet that sells for a great price and it looks well cared for too.

Evercross

6,744 posts

83 months

SpadeBrigade said:
Lovely cars, big fan of x250 s in general. Interior was much nicer than the x260. The biggest problem is they rust underneath so badly. If you buy one, take the sideskirts off and inspect the sills, it s only a half hour job. They have thick foam in the skirts which becomes completely clogged with mud and water and they rot. Ive seem mint x250s but their sills are going bad big time. And that s before we mention subframes.
Just a point to note - cars fitted with the Aero bodykit (the side-skirts of which became standard design for the facelift X250) didn't have the foam running the length of them, instead having just a blob at either end. This car unfortunately hasn't benefitted from that so would need checking.

As for subframes - mainly the rear one. Had to completely swap mine out in 2022. 2 day job with a 2 post lift!

MissChief

7,674 posts

187 months

I still have an Autotrader Search for XFR-S's, but then when I spot one I think 'Corr, that looks ace!' and then I see the road tax, and the fuel bills and maintenance for such a car which may need specialist or rare model specific bits and I get the fear.

MTK1919

815 posts

232 months

Had a first gen XFR before getting an F Type. It was a phenomenal motor for not very much money at all.

Great fun, comfortable, fast, handled well for it's size. A very capable all rounder. The engine (believe it or not) was a bit muted (later resolved when I had the F Type R) but it pulled like a train.




L3nnox

3 posts

139 months

They are awesome cars!!!! Fast, handel well and even the tech isn't too far off today's cars. Plus some tuning and over 600bhp and a raucous exhaust note is possible


NGK210

4,244 posts

164 months

L3nnox said:
They are awesome cars!!!! Fast, handel well and even the tech isn't too far off today's cars. Plus some tuning and over 600bhp and a raucous exhaust note is possible

Good to know.
“Hallelujah!” biggrin

Nickp82

3,699 posts

112 months

Great cars with bags of character, not sure DCR is the colour for it though .

Marshall878

77 posts

13 months

Yesterday (06:48)
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MTK1919 said:
Had a first gen XFR before getting an F Type. It was a phenomenal motor for not very much money at all.

Great fun, comfortable, fast, handled well for it's size. A very capable all rounder. The engine (believe it or not) was a bit muted (later resolved when I had the F Type R) but it pulled like a train.
Brace purchase in the UAE what with parts availability! Did you have any issues with it? They pop up from time to time and are extremely tempting.

Rob 131 Sport

4,078 posts

71 months

Yesterday (07:39)
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Marshall878 said:
MTK1919 said:
Had a first gen XFR before getting an F Type. It was a phenomenal motor for not very much money at all.

Great fun, comfortable, fast, handled well for it's size. A very capable all rounder. The engine (believe it or not) was a bit muted (later resolved when I had the F Type R) but it pulled like a train.
Brace purchase in the UAE what with parts availability! Did you have any issues with it? They pop up from time to time and are extremely tempting.
In 2011 a colleague (in Abu Dhabi) bought a new one in blue. Lovely cars and this one in Red looks a great long term ownership proposition.

Hongkongfooi

634 posts

266 months

Yesterday (11:04)
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had a 2014 one of these...lovely thing especially with the later zf gearbox. Still miss it and never seen it for sale since which is a good sign,

GeniusOfLove

4,320 posts

31 months

Yesterday (11:17)
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I wouldn't feel too short changed about getting the pre facelift, they did a bit of a "project drive" on the later cars and they're not as nice as the early ones. Even the early ones use the 2nd gen ZF6 gearbox and there is really very little it in between that and the ZF8, it's not like the engine needs to shuffle through the gears all the time to keep it on the boil like a four pot diesel.

These are outstanding value, stone axe reliable compared to a contemporary M5 or RS Audi, and parts prices are very reasonable. Front brakes? £90 a side for 380mm ATE discs and you only want to use the Jaguar pads to get the right pedal feel, they're £270 a set at the dealer but easy enough to find for half that. One of the easiest disc and pad changes I've ever done too.

They used a lot of the same parts across the range for years so loads of aftermarket support, and even JLR dealer parts aren't usually too nasty.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 11th November 11:23

snotrag

15,328 posts

230 months

Yesterday (11:55)
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I love these, they are supposedly quite well behaved and easy to maintain.

TDC have done some good features on these, had two cheap ones recently.

I test drove a lovely one a while back, I was absolutley smitten however - stuck it on a ramp - absolutely rotten. As in, 90s Jap car rotten. Had not realised they suffered like that.

The photos of this one showing 'hints' of the metallic sills and pinch welds, with the rest all hidden behind plastic trays give me the shivers. I bet there are some serious crusty bits hiding in there....

theicemario

1,375 posts

94 months

Yesterday (12:16)
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Remember when 5-seat R Jaguars didn’t look like Golf Rs on stilts?


Mr Sideways

31 posts

44 months

Yesterday (13:11)
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Remove a few small badges and you have one of the ultimate street sleepers. Unlike the M5 which has had every single HP wrangled out of the engine this can go up to just under 600 HP with little expense thanks to the super charger AND soooo much more affordable... Great car!!

cramorra

1,686 posts

254 months

Yesterday (15:30)
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i was testing one of those with a sports exhaust in 2012a. lovely noise and poise but awfully disconnected steering the sales guy told me it was a feature not a fault…
said they have that feedback from a lot of benz and bmws drivers ah well