Birmingham Stabbing - 07/11

[No ideas for a name]

This doesn't really fit in any of the existing threads about current stabbings...

It is getting out of hand - I even feel I have had to identify by date, which particular stabbing in the title.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rj33dg22vo

BBC said:

A woman who was stabbed in the neck in an unprovoked attack at a bus stop in Birmingham has died, police have confirmed.

The victim, who was 34, was targeted in Smallbrook Queensway, just outside the Bullring shopping centre, shortly before 21:00 GMT, on Friday, West Midlands Police said.

Djeison Rafael, 21, is due to appear before Birmingham Magistrates on Monday, charged over the attack.

West Midlands Police said an application would be made to amend the charges to reflect the woman's death.

The force said officers would be around the city centre on Monday to offer reassurance, and investigators were supporting the woman's family.

Detectives are appealing for witnesses who may have seen Mr Rafael, who is described as a Black British national, and is believed to have been wearing an all-grey tracksuit, black hat, trainers and rucksack.

The stabbing happened outside the Bullring shopping centre, opposite the main entrance to Birmingham New Street station.

Police said they were treating it as an "unprovoked attack" and Det Insp James Nix said they were working to understand why it happened.

I just can't see what a normal member of the public can do to stop being randomly 'picked off' and stabbed.

[LimmerickLad]

being discussed here.........words fail me.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[butchstewie]

No ideas for a name said:

I just can't see what a normal member of the public can do to stop being randomly 'picked off' and stabbed.

Simple reality here is nothing.

I think despite the media reports there's still a vanishingly rare chance of it happening to you.

The wider question will be around mad or bad (or both) and any "lessons will be learned" or past contact elements as the first time people like this pop up on the authorities radar for the first time is very seldom when they stab someone.

[No ideas for a name]

butchstewie said:

The wider question will be around mad or bad (or both) and any "lessons will be learned" or past contact elements as the first time people like this pop up on the authorities radar for the first time is very seldom when they stab someone.

I saw some YouTube stuff of Birmingham recently... it looked like many people you would be wary of just hanging around, with lots of Police time spent dealing with them. I expect hanging around being menacing isn't a crime. They have to wait for them to actually do something that they can be dealt with for even though they can guess what is coming.

[Crumpet]

No ideas for a name said:

I just can't see what a normal member of the public can do to stop being randomly 'picked off' and stabbed.

I suppose that’s how you end up like South Africa.

Those with money and means just avoid going to anywhere where you have to interact with the public, like public transport. And, being blunt, you take your headphones out, stop staring at the phone and develop situational awareness. Including profiling people and keeping your distance from whoever looks like a threat.

Maybe it starts out with avoiding Asda and shopping at Waitrose? Or just by ordering from Ocado.

[WH16]

Crumpet said:

I suppose that s how you end up like South Africa.

Those with money and means just avoid going to anywhere where you have to interact with the public, like public transport.

Yes. If you want a glimpse of the UK's future, go visit SA. Gated communities and private security companies, an increasingly militarised police, and parts of cities will become literal no-go areas.

But of course, the usual deniers will claim there have always been stabbings and it's the media's fault for reporting it.

[Sheets Tabuer]

WH16 said:

the usual deniers will claim there have always been stabbings and it's the media's fault for reporting it.

I was stabbed in the back, just to the right of my lower spine by some random in 1985.

[andy43]

Crumpet said:

... you take your headphones out, stop staring at the phone and develop situational awareness. Including profiling people and keeping your distance from whoever looks like a threat.

That and fit a south african flamethrower system to the underside of your rucksack.
I really don't know how we'll get society back - it's inner city investment, education, parental skills, internet, 'musicians' and their lyrics, drugs, crime rings, jobs, there's an almost endless list of causes - it's an impossible task.

[WH16]

Sheets Tabuer said:

WH16 said:

the usual deniers will claim there have always been stabbings and it's the media's fault for reporting it.

I was stabbed in the back, just to the right of my lower spine by some random in 1985.

I was stabbed in the upper thigh by some random in 2002. What's your point?

[Sheets Tabuer]

Erm the bit where you some people will say there's always been stabbings.

[WH16]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Erm the bit where you some people will say there's always been stabbings.

That's because there have. But that isn't a reason to dismiss the problem today, like it's just background noise to be ignored, to be accepted in the name of diversity.

[J4CKO]

butchstewie said:

No ideas for a name said:

I just can't see what a normal member of the public can do to stop being randomly 'picked off' and stabbed.

Simple reality here is nothing.

I think despite the media reports there's still a vanishingly rare chance of it happening to you.

The wider question will be around mad or bad (or both) and any "lessons will be learned" or past contact elements as the first time people like this pop up on the authorities radar for the first time is very seldom when they stab someone.

"Vanishingly rare"

Not seeming that way at the moment, 13 people the other week stabbed, lady murdered in the street and those three children in Southport, plus all the business as usual stabbings.

It is unlikely but it should be pretty much unheard of.

[Crumpet]

andy43 said:

Crumpet said:

... you take your headphones out, stop staring at the phone and develop situational awareness. Including profiling people and keeping your distance from whoever looks like a threat.

That and fit a south african flamethrower system to the underside of your rucksack.
I really don't know how we'll get society back - it's inner city investment, education, parental skills, internet, 'musicians' and their lyrics, drugs, crime rings, jobs, there's an almost endless list of causes - it's an impossible task.

The very obvious ‘cure’ is a cull. You could solve a lot of society’s ills very quickly. Both social and housing! Or some enormous dystopian island where you can ship everyone and leave them to it - like a scientific study. Could even be decent TV.

Problem is the legal, ethical and moral issues with those solutions (not to mention willing volunteers to do the culling!)….

[Slow.Patrol]

Looks like he had previous

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15276289/...



"The court heard he has been charged with actual bodily harm against Hailing Du on November 7 and a further count of actual bodily harm against Mariamo Sow, which allegedly took place a week earlier, on October 27. "

[andy43]

Crumpet said:

andy43 said:

Crumpet said:

... you take your headphones out, stop staring at the phone and develop situational awareness. Including profiling people and keeping your distance from whoever looks like a threat.

That and fit a south african flamethrower system to the underside of your rucksack.
I really don't know how we'll get society back - it's inner city investment, education, parental skills, internet, 'musicians' and their lyrics, drugs, crime rings, jobs, there's an almost endless list of causes - it's an impossible task.

The very obvious cure is a cull. You could solve a lot of society s ills very quickly. Both social and housing! Or some enormous dystopian island where you can ship everyone and leave them to it - like a scientific study. Could even be decent TV.

Problem is the legal, ethical and moral issues with those solutions (not to mention willing volunteers to do the culling!) .

I'm increasingly wondering if we're already on it...

[bigglesA110]

WH16 said:

Crumpet said:

I suppose that s how you end up like South Africa.

Those with money and means just avoid going to anywhere where you have to interact with the public, like public transport.

Yes. If you want a glimpse of the UK's future, go visit SA. Gated communities and private security companies, an increasingly militarised police, and parts of cities will become literal no-go areas.

But of course, the usual deniers will claim there have always been stabbings and it's the media's fault for reporting it.

Doesn't sound a very appealing society to live in. Unless you are rich and probably white. Which to me points to a potential underlying cause - wealth and opportunity inequality driving both greed and envy/desperation and ever more polarised societies. We're not there yet but are definitely heading in that direction, as to do otherwise is woke and too liberal. Apparently.

[No ideas for a name]

Slow.Patrol said:

Looks like he had previous

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15276289/...



"The court heard he has been charged with actual bodily harm against Hailing Du on November 7 and a further count of actual bodily harm against Mariamo Sow, which allegedly took place a week earlier, on October 27. "

That makes it much worse.
He was 'known' but free to go on to kill within a week.
(I know you just can't lock someone up without good reason - the Police have to work within the rules)

[Rayny]

Crumpet said:

The very obvious cure is a cull. You could solve a lot of society s ills very quickly. Both social and housing! Or some enormous dystopian island where you can ship everyone and leave them to it - like a scientific study. Could even be decent TV.

Problem is the legal, ethical and moral issues with those solutions (not to mention willing volunteers to do the culling!) .

Or do the opposite of South Africa :
Build very large secure compounds. Anybody who breaks the law more than once, or who is unable to legally provide for themselves, gets put into the compound.

[Slow.Patrol]

No ideas for a name said:

That makes it much worse.
He was 'known' but free to go on to kill within a week.
(I know you just can't lock someone up without good reason - the Police have to work within the rules)

But he allegedly committed two counts of ABH on two separate occasions.

How about anyone accused of ABH doesn't get bail?

[butchstewie]

No ideas for a name said:

I saw some YouTube stuff of Birmingham recently... it looked like many people you would be wary of just hanging around, with lots of Police time spent dealing with them. I expect hanging around being menacing isn't a crime. They have to wait for them to actually do something that they can be dealt with for even though they can guess what is coming.

That part of Birmingham is bang in the centre 30 seconds from Grand Central.

I don't go into Birmingham at night often but I often walk there in the day and I don't think I'd have any concerns about walking around there at night or at least no more than I would any other central area.

Anecdotal and a sample of one of course.