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I have an E13 Torx bolt that I can't get off my Porsche 997 C2S. The location of the bolt means it's impossible to get a socket on, even if I had the right socket. The bolt has started to round off through a couple of attempts with roughly the right size spanner, so I don't really want to try that any more! Heat, I haven't tried too much, but I can't get a grip on the damn thing regardless. Anyone got any tips/ideas/suggestions? I'll post a picture of the location later.
If not, I'll just have to cut it off and replace it later. I can't even figure out what the hell the point of the damn thing is.
If not, I'll just have to cut it off and replace it later. I can't even figure out what the hell the point of the damn thing is.
s94wht said:
The bolt has started to round off through a couple of attempts with roughly the right size spanner,
Obviously, that is the root of the problem, if you don't have the right tool don't attempt it, Torx are typically quite a high torque fitting and using the wrong tool only applies torque through a much smaller contact area.The best solution is as those have said above, get the correct tool on it & hope it hasn't been too badly damaged.
ChocolateFrog said:
CoolC said:
Neither of those sets have the right size. I believe a spanner would get in there but I'm not convinced an E13 spanner exists in this universeI've never come across an E13 in my experience, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.
What makes you think it is E13, is it referred to as such in any manual or bulletin? Or are you measuring it in some way and finding it falls between E12 & E14?
I would recommend trying the E torx ring spanners to gauge it (I often do this as I'm hopeless at second guessing both male & female torx sizes).
What makes you think it is E13, is it referred to as such in any manual or bulletin? Or are you measuring it in some way and finding it falls between E12 & E14?
I would recommend trying the E torx ring spanners to gauge it (I often do this as I'm hopeless at second guessing both male & female torx sizes).
Edited by TwinKam on Wednesday 29th October 17:18
TwinKam said:
I've never come across an E13 in my experience, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.
What makes you think it is E13, is it referred to as such in any manual or bulletin? Or are you measuring it in some way and finding it falls between E12 & E14?
I would recommend trying the E torx ring spanners to gauge it (I often do this as I'm hopeless at second guessing both male & female torx sizes).
Are you sure it isn’t a ribe bit, which are available in M13?What makes you think it is E13, is it referred to as such in any manual or bulletin? Or are you measuring it in some way and finding it falls between E12 & E14?
I would recommend trying the E torx ring spanners to gauge it (I often do this as I'm hopeless at second guessing both male & female torx sizes).
Edited by TwinKam on Wednesday 29th October 17:18
Here are the pictures.
As for sizing, it's somewhere between 8 and 9mm in diameter. I believe it to be E13 but I could be wrong on that. Looks to me like M13 would be about a 16mm head which is definitely not the case
A guy in the states doing the same job couldn't find the correct wrench either. But he reckoned he used a 10mm box spanner... No chance of that here.
Haven't ever been able to find definitive info on what the actual size is, but haven't checked parts diagrams yet
Plenty of Plusgas, and a tap on the top with a hammer and centre punch to try and help to break the seal. My mate working on a V8 Cayenne at the moment thinks they must’ve used Loctite (or similar) on the bolts on his engine.
If all else fails you may be able to tap it round with a slotted screwdriver and a hammer, but it’s the last resort.
Will there be enough clearance from the plate above still on to remove that bolt?
If all else fails you may be able to tap it round with a slotted screwdriver and a hammer, but it’s the last resort.
Will there be enough clearance from the plate above still on to remove that bolt?
M138 said:
Plenty of Plusgas, and a tap on the top with a hammer and centre punch to try and help to break the seal. My mate working on a V8 Cayenne at the moment thinks they must ve used Loctite (or similar) on the bolts on his engine.
If all else fails you may be able to tap it round with a slotted screwdriver and a hammer, but it s the last resort.
Will there be enough clearance from the plate above still on to remove that bolt?
I'm not intending to remove it completely, just enough to be able to pull the plate forward to give enough room to drop the water pump out. It's a good point though If all else fails you may be able to tap it round with a slotted screwdriver and a hammer, but it s the last resort.
Will there be enough clearance from the plate above still on to remove that bolt?
Pica-Pica said:
From the pictures it looks like a mole wrench will easily lock onto that.
My neighbour lent me some and they're too wide to get in behind the plate. Not sure of the exact dimensions of the gap but I assume the mole grips come in different shaped "noses". I've spent enough on random tools at this point though so I want to be triple sure before buying another on the off chance it will work! I think removing the plate on the front might be the way, but unfortunately as you can see, those are rusted to hell as well.
Looks like it was designed by someone at VAG, they love teasing with a half-occluded bolt;
"To remove part A, firstly remove part Y."
"To remove part Y, firstly remove part N."
"To remove part N, firstly....." ... one of the reasons I don't let my customers buy Volkswagens etc.
Back to your bolt, OP, yes, firstly remove part A... I think you'll find those are E10.
"To remove part A, firstly remove part Y."
"To remove part Y, firstly remove part N."
"To remove part N, firstly....." ... one of the reasons I don't let my customers buy Volkswagens etc.
Back to your bolt, OP, yes, firstly remove part A... I think you'll find those are E10.
TwinKam said:
Looks like it was designed by someone at VAG, they love teasing with a half-occluded bolt;
"To remove part A, firstly remove part Y."
"To remove part Y, firstly remove part N."
"To remove part N, firstly....." ... one of the reasons I don't let my customers buy Volkswagens etc.
Back to your bolt, OP, yes, firstly remove part A... I think you'll find those are E10.
To be fair, a lot of cars are like that these days, VAG are bad but others aren't far behind. For example on a Volvo, to remove the fuel rail you need to remove a boost pipe; to remove the boost pipe, you need to remove 3 engine mounts and tilt the engine forwards quite a bit...."To remove part A, firstly remove part Y."
"To remove part Y, firstly remove part N."
"To remove part N, firstly....." ... one of the reasons I don't let my customers buy Volkswagens etc.
Back to your bolt, OP, yes, firstly remove part A... I think you'll find those are E10.
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