What we need to do if humanity is to survive
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Clearly we live on a planet that will eventually be destroyed when the sun runs out of fuel. Usable resources will probably run out long before that. Our days here are numbered. In order to survive as a species we need to DO something. What we need to do is advance our knowledge of science and technology so that we can make the most of what limited resources we have left, to buy enough time to develop into a multi-planet species.
Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people’s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people’s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
Ayahuasca said:
Clearly we live on a planet that will eventually be destroyed when the sun runs out of fuel. Usable resources will probably run out long before that. Our days here are numbered. In order to survive as a species we need to DO something. What we need to do is advance our knowledge of science and technology so that we can make the most of what limited resources we have left, to buy enough time to develop into a multi-planet species.
Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
I'm not sure the world's resources are that limited yet, other than the depredations of human population. We could start planning a route to the stars now, but there's no appetite for it. Even Mars, which could have settlements by now had the impetus of Apollo been maintained, is a very poor second to every other concern. People will say 'Why spend all that money on rockets when people when you could spend it on starving Africans?' And so we don't get very far. People just want smartphones.Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
Stop trying to make new humans from skin......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2vyee0zlo
In an already overcrowded planet, why do we need to create new ways to create new life...... Let nature be nature.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2vyee0zlo
In an already overcrowded planet, why do we need to create new ways to create new life...... Let nature be nature.
Simpo Two said:
Ayahuasca said:
Clearly we live on a planet that will eventually be destroyed when the sun runs out of fuel. Usable resources will probably run out long before that. Our days here are numbered. In order to survive as a species we need to DO something. What we need to do is advance our knowledge of science and technology so that we can make the most of what limited resources we have left, to buy enough time to develop into a multi-planet species.
Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
I'm not sure the world's resources are that limited yet, other than the depredations of human population. We could start planning a route to the stars now, but there's no appetite for it. Even Mars, which could have settlements by now had the impetus of Apollo been maintained, is a very poor second to every other concern. People will say 'Why spend all that money on rockets when people when you could spend it on starving Africans?' And so we don't get very far. People just want smartphones.Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
The sun running out of fuel is of no concern.
We wont be here for much longer, at this rate I think 2000 years is probably it.
In the last 200 years we have done incredible damage to our planet and its not sustainable.
Pollution, wars and waste land will finish us off not the sun running out.
We need a paradigm change on how to get on as a race. We are too primitive for that. Look at all the wars and conflicts around the world. The concept of humanity its one that still eludes most people. Out primal instincts still lead the way.
We need to stop the devisions and eradicate money or value and live in a world were all the resources are equally shared, in peace so we can cultivate our mind and really move civilisation forward.
As it stands I am going to think on what other modern gadget or fad I need and get a bit angry about whatever the media tells me I should be angry about this week.
We wont be here for much longer, at this rate I think 2000 years is probably it.
In the last 200 years we have done incredible damage to our planet and its not sustainable.
Pollution, wars and waste land will finish us off not the sun running out.
We need a paradigm change on how to get on as a race. We are too primitive for that. Look at all the wars and conflicts around the world. The concept of humanity its one that still eludes most people. Out primal instincts still lead the way.
We need to stop the devisions and eradicate money or value and live in a world were all the resources are equally shared, in peace so we can cultivate our mind and really move civilisation forward.
As it stands I am going to think on what other modern gadget or fad I need and get a bit angry about whatever the media tells me I should be angry about this week.
The sun running out of fuel is of no concern.
We wont be here for much longer, at this rate I think 2000 years is probably it.
In the last 200 years we have done incredible damage to our planet and its not sustainable.
Pollution, wars and waste land will finish us off not the sun running out.
We need a paradigm change on how to get on as a race. We are too primitive for that. Look at all the wars and conflicts around the world. The concept of humanity its one that still eludes most people. Out primal instincts still lead the way.
We need to stop the devisions and eradicate money or value and live in a world were all the resources are equally shared, in peace so we can cultivate our mind and really move civilisation forward.
As it stands I am going to think on what other modern gadget or fad I need and get a bit angry about whatever the media tells me I should be angry about this week.
We wont be here for much longer, at this rate I think 2000 years is probably it.
In the last 200 years we have done incredible damage to our planet and its not sustainable.
Pollution, wars and waste land will finish us off not the sun running out.
We need a paradigm change on how to get on as a race. We are too primitive for that. Look at all the wars and conflicts around the world. The concept of humanity its one that still eludes most people. Out primal instincts still lead the way.
We need to stop the devisions and eradicate money or value and live in a world were all the resources are equally shared, in peace so we can cultivate our mind and really move civilisation forward.
As it stands I am going to think on what other modern gadget or fad I need and get a bit angry about whatever the media tells me I should be angry about this week.
andyb28 said:
Isnt that in 4-5 billion years time?
If any humans are left in a few hundred million years they'll already have a problem going outside.Solar luminosity, which is steadily increasing, will be such that the surface will be uninhabitable long before it swells up and engulfs the inner planets.
Some sort of hat will definitely be in order.
Earth is donezo for life as we know it long before the sun runs out of fuel, its luminosity will increase and basically cook the planet in approx 1bn years.
Obviously humanity will be gone long before that if our current trajectory continues.
Also enjoyed hearing how much space junk has been added this year, hopefully that continues too, so that kessler syndrome ensures future generations are all trapped on here with no means of escape. Suckers.
Obviously humanity will be gone long before that if our current trajectory continues.
Also enjoyed hearing how much space junk has been added this year, hopefully that continues too, so that kessler syndrome ensures future generations are all trapped on here with no means of escape. Suckers.
It's pretty straightforward and has already been worked out years ago, but noone wants to pay the price. We just lack the willpower to do what needs to be done.
Basically:
First develop FTL travel, then ban AI on pain of death. Then begin a breeding program to develop humanity to the point where it can do the work of a computer so we won't even miss them. Also breed another line to have incredible levels of attention, self awareness and control. Invent genetic memory so this latter line can pass knowledge between multiple generations.
Find a drug which can enable us to see the future. Find a member of the genetic memory line who is as smart as the human computer lineage who can also consume the poisonous byproduct of this future-seeing drug without dying, thus developing awareness of both past and future. Give them total power over humanity. Transform them into a worm that they can continue the work of what needs to be done for as long as it takes.
Profit. Eventually.
Basically:
First develop FTL travel, then ban AI on pain of death. Then begin a breeding program to develop humanity to the point where it can do the work of a computer so we won't even miss them. Also breed another line to have incredible levels of attention, self awareness and control. Invent genetic memory so this latter line can pass knowledge between multiple generations.
Find a drug which can enable us to see the future. Find a member of the genetic memory line who is as smart as the human computer lineage who can also consume the poisonous byproduct of this future-seeing drug without dying, thus developing awareness of both past and future. Give them total power over humanity. Transform them into a worm that they can continue the work of what needs to be done for as long as it takes.
Profit. Eventually.
Nothing.
God was around before the big bang and we're made in his image, whatever we are, I'm sure we'll still be here for a while.
With my none religious head on, I'm not sure we deserve to survive without some kind of reason to all the crap we do, the suffering we cause and the ultimately pointlessness of existence. So if we can't all try and make humanity the very best it can be, well we don't deserve to be here and let another species have a crack.
Unless of course everything is pointless, just chance and evolution and science and stuff, in which case, enjoy it while we're here and if our time ends, well hey ho!
Either way, nothing!
God was around before the big bang and we're made in his image, whatever we are, I'm sure we'll still be here for a while.
With my none religious head on, I'm not sure we deserve to survive without some kind of reason to all the crap we do, the suffering we cause and the ultimately pointlessness of existence. So if we can't all try and make humanity the very best it can be, well we don't deserve to be here and let another species have a crack.
Unless of course everything is pointless, just chance and evolution and science and stuff, in which case, enjoy it while we're here and if our time ends, well hey ho!
Either way, nothing!
There's not enough want or will for most people to do enough to save us as a species. The earth will carry on for many many years after we've gone. As an inhabitant of earth, we're pretty f
ked and I doubt there's any going back. We'll almost certainly make this place very uncomfortable to live and eventually destroy ourselves.
But people don't care as it's seemingly too far in the distance to affect us as a generation. Maybe that'll be the case, but I wouldn't bet on it with some of the absolute nut jobs that are in power.
ked and I doubt there's any going back. We'll almost certainly make this place very uncomfortable to live and eventually destroy ourselves.But people don't care as it's seemingly too far in the distance to affect us as a generation. Maybe that'll be the case, but I wouldn't bet on it with some of the absolute nut jobs that are in power.
Ayahuasca said:
Clearly we live on a planet that will eventually be destroyed when the sun runs out of fuel. Usable resources will probably run out long before that. Our days here are numbered. In order to survive as a species we need to DO something. What we need to do is advance our knowledge of science and technology so that we can make the most of what limited resources we have left, to buy enough time to develop into a multi-planet species.
Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
It's 1bn years time + we can't stop it. Unless we can escape the solar system (I doubt it) then the end is nigh albeit a fairly long way off nigh.Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
TX.
dundarach said:
Nothing.
God was around before the big bang and we're made in his image, whatever we are, I'm sure we'll still be here for a while.
With my none religious head on, I'm not sure we deserve to survive without some kind of reason to all the crap we do, the suffering we cause and the ultimately pointlessness of existence. So if we can't all try and make humanity the very best it can be, well we don't deserve to be here and let another species have a crack.
Unless of course everything is pointless, just chance and evolution and science and stuff, in which case, enjoy it while we're here and if our time ends, well hey ho!
Either way, nothing!
I like to revisit this when I start to worry about the next five years:God was around before the big bang and we're made in his image, whatever we are, I'm sure we'll still be here for a while.
With my none religious head on, I'm not sure we deserve to survive without some kind of reason to all the crap we do, the suffering we cause and the ultimately pointlessness of existence. So if we can't all try and make humanity the very best it can be, well we don't deserve to be here and let another species have a crack.
Unless of course everything is pointless, just chance and evolution and science and stuff, in which case, enjoy it while we're here and if our time ends, well hey ho!
Either way, nothing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA
(works better with subtitles turned off, it has its own with a counter at the bottom)
Earth dies about 3 mins in.
Then I wake the next morning and find I still get pissed off at the local council.
Edited by glazbagun on Tuesday 7th October 21:18
Catatafish said:
If any humans are left in a few hundred million years they'll already have a problem going outside.
Solar luminosity, which is steadily increasing, will be such that the surface will be uninhabitable long before it swells up and engulfs the inner planets.
Some sort of hat will definitely be in order.
Timeline of the future for what it s worth. Solar luminosity, which is steadily increasing, will be such that the surface will be uninhabitable long before it swells up and engulfs the inner planets.
Some sort of hat will definitely be in order.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_fa...
Solar output becomes very problematic in the 250-500 million year range.
Significant asteroid strike or massive volcanic event before that.
Species needs to get all the eggs out of the single basket. Musk is a bit of a dick about a lot of things, but he s not wrong about this.
Ayahuasca said:
Clearly we live on a planet that will eventually be destroyed when the sun runs out of fuel. Usable resources will probably run out long before that. Our days here are numbered. In order to survive as a species we need to DO something. What we need to do is advance our knowledge of science and technology so that we can make the most of what limited resources we have left, to buy enough time to develop into a multi-planet species.
Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
I'm not entirely sure we'll last another 100 years. South Korea is heading for oblivion within the next 30 years if you look at the graph. Should anything (crested newts, rare bats, people s fear of small localised earthquakes, less greenery and more unpredictable weather, etc) be allowed to stand in the way?
I wouldn't worry about what will happen in 5 billion years time
Humanity is just our current form. All life is related, as evidenced by DNA, so every living thing is just the current state of a lifeform that has evolved over billions of years through endless steps of reproduction.
If worried about outliving Earth, there's then the problem of outliving the universe.
Perhaps the way of solving that is that humans only have a limited number of senses so can't detect the whole real universe and what lies beyond through reality's many dimensions, and one day we'll evolve into a form that can master inter dimensional travel where the physical boundary is just one aspect of the bigger reality. We'll become like 'Q' from the Star Trek universe.
In the meantime "here's Ted with the weather" [Bill Hicks]
If worried about outliving Earth, there's then the problem of outliving the universe.
Perhaps the way of solving that is that humans only have a limited number of senses so can't detect the whole real universe and what lies beyond through reality's many dimensions, and one day we'll evolve into a form that can master inter dimensional travel where the physical boundary is just one aspect of the bigger reality. We'll become like 'Q' from the Star Trek universe.
In the meantime "here's Ted with the weather" [Bill Hicks]
Edited by Virtual PAH on Saturday 11th October 12:01
Ayahuasca said:
Ah the starving Africans. I thought they would show up. Clearly from a humanitarian point of view it would be better if they were not starving, and maybe technology can help. Anyone see that story about the guy who had a big glass bottle with a plant that hadn t been watered in decades? Why can t we build huge Eden Project type structures in the Sahara?
Is Africa still starving? Resources, or lack thereof, in Africa has far less to do with soil and weather conditions than it does supplies, skills and tools. Africa is not overcrowded, nor unfertile. Trying to grow crops in the Sahara when there’s massive areas of unused fertile lands seems a bit daft.
As for the original question how much time do you think we need. A year, 10, or will a million do?
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