Taylor Swift on Graham Norton
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MC Bodge

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27,315 posts

197 months

Friday 3rd October 2025
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Is Taylor Swift the most dull megastar ever?

coppice

9,499 posts

166 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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You know, I've tried . Friends old and young love her , her albums are perfectly produced , her songs a bit generic , but far better than many but ..I always think she may as well be an AI creation. Looks like a 14 year old's idea of a hot girl and sounds an amalgam of her influences.

Bear-n

1,858 posts

104 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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Unfortunate thread title..

Little Pete

1,827 posts

116 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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Bear-n said:
Unfortunate thread title..
laugh

croyde

25,468 posts

252 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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There is something very Meh! about her.

I used to point a camera at her when filming concerts and she was just a person to keep in frame.

Katy Perry however, cloud9

Squadrone Rosso

3,576 posts

169 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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Don’t get the comment personally.

Thought she came across really well.

We have a shared playlist with our niece & nephew and up until a few years ago I had no idea who she was.

Then I head a few of her songs & asked said niece who she was and it went from there.

We took our then 15 y/o niece to Wembley last year and aside from the sonic weapon that nearly made me puke / st my pants (screaming young girls), the show was fantastic.

I think she’ll be on the right side of history politically speaking too.

For reference, I’m 55.

MC Bodge

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27,315 posts

197 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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croyde said:
There is something very Meh! about her
Exactly. The music is bland and, despite my children frequently listening to her music in the past, I couldn't now hum a single song of hers.

I heard some of her new album on R4 yesterday. It sounded fairly cringeworthy, although instantly forgettable.

On TV with Graham Norton, She had no apparent star quality, charisma or quirkiness. Bland anecdotes about her fiance was about it.

She is 35, but has the hairstyle of a young teenager. She is possibly quite attractive if you saw her in the supermarket, but not especially so.



.....She is hugely popular.


Hub

6,974 posts

220 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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She's had a couple of good albums - 1989 in particular is a really great pop album (which has featured heavily on the family playlist!), and the first of the more mellow recent albums, Folklore is pretty good.

However, in recent years her output has got very stale. The last album was over 2 hours of samey dullness put out to milk the fanbase and the new album doesn't recapture the spark either. I don't understand how she keeps getting bigger when critically she really should be considered past her best at this point. Personality wise yes she is a bit bland but no worse than many... Think the likes of Ed Sheeran etc

billbring

286 posts

205 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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I've got a feeling that she is not aiming to appeal to middle-aged male car enthusiasts biggrin

I agree, she is bland, but she is foremost a businessperson and an incredibly successful one. Her skill is understanding her audience (teenage girls) and her product is her self-image, which she retains extremely tight control of. When she appears on the likes of Graham Norton, it's a calculated marketing exercise, probably more so than any other celebrity in history.

trashbat

6,215 posts

175 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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She's not that bland. You don't have to like it, but that's different from bland. The likes of 'Folklore' are a fair distance from the likes of '1989', so there's more diversity to her work than a lot of artists, and whilst you could do lots of things and all of them be boring, it'd make it very difficult to produce genuinely good & critically acclaimed output across different genres.

I don't mind pop, but I'm very much not a teenage girl, so I've never had any motivation to like her or align to thinking she's great, but I think her work is very good, often clever storytelling.

DSLiverpool

16,040 posts

224 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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The Elon Musk of pop, Tesla music for the masses.

DeejRC

8,644 posts

104 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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DSLiverpool said:
The Elon Musk of pop, Tesla music for the masses.
I don't get the above. What is it supposed to mean?

At the end of the day its just pop music. Its not important in or to life, so what does music for the masses mean? A song plays on the radio and then it ends and life carries on into the next song or whatever it is you are doing.

lizardbrain

3,757 posts

59 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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It might be at least partly a gender thing. Taylor swift lyrics are for women mostly I think

MC Bodge

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197 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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lizardbrain said:
It might be at least partly a gender thing. Taylor swift lyrics are for women mostly I think
Like that "Self Esteem" woman, but for teenagers?

nicanary

10,956 posts

168 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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She's changed her image for this latest album. No longer cowboy hats but more daring outfits for the showgirl look. It'll be interesting to see how her fans dress for concerts - there could be some gross moments.

markiii

4,193 posts

216 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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her last good album was red, all a bit st thereafter

Lucas Ayde

4,075 posts

190 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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coppice said:
You know, I've tried . Friends old and young love her , her albums are perfectly produced , her songs a bit generic , but far better than many but ..I always think she may as well be an AI creation. Looks like a 14 year old's idea of a hot girl and sounds an amalgam of her influences.
She always looked like some sort of artificial being to me, just something off about her. I wouldn't say her music is bad - but it just doesn't appeal to me in the least whereas normally I'll at least find one song from an artist that might get into my head.

Still, she's been massively popular for many years with huge live shows that are nearly impossible to get sensibly-priced tickets for .. so lots of people think she's got talent, clearly.

twing

5,628 posts

153 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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I'll buck the trend and say I think she's great. Inoffensive, catchy pop and kept herself out of trouble.

BikeBikeBIke

13,241 posts

137 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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twing said:
I'll buck the trend and say I think she's great. Inoffensive, catchy pop and kept herself out of trouble.
+1 and a lot of her early stuff was brilliant.

...and she writes her own songs like Amy Whinehouse.

Bear-n

1,858 posts

104 months

Saturday 4th October 2025
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She's just a present-day Madonna. Good songs, hardly bad looking but we fancy our missus' more, media-hyped because of reasons we don't fully understand.