Porting internet to another provider without permission
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Taz1111 said:
Hi all, currently in a situation where a property isn't yet registered entirely in 1 of my parents names. A transfer document and document were fully signed 10 years ago. They weren't filed for a number of reasons, but they are now with a solicitor.
The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
My understanding is that with that TR1 document along with clear wording that the outgoing party has no claim in the property from the date that letter was signed, that the outgoing party shouldn't be there and is trespassing. If someone can correct me here please feel free.
Now one of the people the outgoing party has allowed to be at the property has started a transfer of the internet into a contract of their own. I have called both providers, neither say they can cancel it, and I need LPA for the individual who has setup the new contract to cancel it! I find this pretty remarkable.
Has anyone had any experience with this last point, or any of this in general? I have LPA for the homeowner, but it's hard to know what to do, and the solicitor isn't fully upto speed with everything. It's essentially me against the rest of my family, which is quite difficult to take on, but I understand that I should be doing things in the best interests of the property owner, not myself.
Thankyou all
You'll have to rewrite that, slowly and carefully, so that we understand what you are talking about. "The other party"...?The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
My understanding is that with that TR1 document along with clear wording that the outgoing party has no claim in the property from the date that letter was signed, that the outgoing party shouldn't be there and is trespassing. If someone can correct me here please feel free.
Now one of the people the outgoing party has allowed to be at the property has started a transfer of the internet into a contract of their own. I have called both providers, neither say they can cancel it, and I need LPA for the individual who has setup the new contract to cancel it! I find this pretty remarkable.
Has anyone had any experience with this last point, or any of this in general? I have LPA for the homeowner, but it's hard to know what to do, and the solicitor isn't fully upto speed with everything. It's essentially me against the rest of my family, which is quite difficult to take on, but I understand that I should be doing things in the best interests of the property owner, not myself.
Thankyou all
Taz1111 said:
Hi all, currently in a situation where a property isn't yet registered entirely in 1 of my parents names. A transfer document and document were fully signed 10 years ago. They weren't filed for a number of reasons, but they are now with a solicitor.
The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
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If there are regular parties that interfere with living at the property, contact the council's noise abatement team. Or if it's an illegal rave, the police have powers to act (I believe) under the public order act.The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
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Giving permission for other family members to attend the party is irrelevant.
You should probably just move.
Taz1111 said:
Hi all, currently in a situation where a property isn't yet registered entirely in 1 of my parents names. A transfer document and document were fully signed 10 years ago. They weren't filed for a number of reasons, but they are now with a solicitor.
The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
My understanding is that with that TR1 document along with clear wording that the outgoing party has no claim in the property from the date that letter was signed, that the outgoing party shouldn't be there and is trespassing. If someone can correct me here please feel free.
Now one of the people the outgoing party has allowed to be at the property has started a transfer of the internet into a contract of their own. I have called both providers, neither say they can cancel it, and I need LPA for the individual who has setup the new contract to cancel it! I find this pretty remarkable.
Has anyone had any experience with this last point, or any of this in general? I have LPA for the homeowner, but it's hard to know what to do, and the solicitor isn't fully upto speed with everything. It's essentially me against the rest of my family, which is quite difficult to take on, but I understand that I should be doing things in the best interests of the property owner, not myself.
Thankyou all
I'm not sure what the question was but I am pretty confident the answer is 11.The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
My understanding is that with that TR1 document along with clear wording that the outgoing party has no claim in the property from the date that letter was signed, that the outgoing party shouldn't be there and is trespassing. If someone can correct me here please feel free.
Now one of the people the outgoing party has allowed to be at the property has started a transfer of the internet into a contract of their own. I have called both providers, neither say they can cancel it, and I need LPA for the individual who has setup the new contract to cancel it! I find this pretty remarkable.
Has anyone had any experience with this last point, or any of this in general? I have LPA for the homeowner, but it's hard to know what to do, and the solicitor isn't fully upto speed with everything. It's essentially me against the rest of my family, which is quite difficult to take on, but I understand that I should be doing things in the best interests of the property owner, not myself.
Thankyou all
geeks said:
Taz1111 said:
Hi all, currently in a situation where a property isn't yet registered entirely in 1 of my parents names. A transfer document and document were fully signed 10 years ago. They weren't filed for a number of reasons, but they are now with a solicitor.
The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
My understanding is that with that TR1 document along with clear wording that the outgoing party has no claim in the property from the date that letter was signed, that the outgoing party shouldn't be there and is trespassing. If someone can correct me here please feel free.
Now one of the people the outgoing party has allowed to be at the property has started a transfer of the internet into a contract of their own. I have called both providers, neither say they can cancel it, and I need LPA for the individual who has setup the new contract to cancel it! I find this pretty remarkable.
Has anyone had any experience with this last point, or any of this in general? I have LPA for the homeowner, but it's hard to know what to do, and the solicitor isn't fully upto speed with everything. It's essentially me against the rest of my family, which is quite difficult to take on, but I understand that I should be doing things in the best interests of the property owner, not myself.
Thankyou all
I'm not sure what the question was but I am pretty confident the answer is 11.The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
My understanding is that with that TR1 document along with clear wording that the outgoing party has no claim in the property from the date that letter was signed, that the outgoing party shouldn't be there and is trespassing. If someone can correct me here please feel free.
Now one of the people the outgoing party has allowed to be at the property has started a transfer of the internet into a contract of their own. I have called both providers, neither say they can cancel it, and I need LPA for the individual who has setup the new contract to cancel it! I find this pretty remarkable.
Has anyone had any experience with this last point, or any of this in general? I have LPA for the homeowner, but it's hard to know what to do, and the solicitor isn't fully upto speed with everything. It's essentially me against the rest of my family, which is quite difficult to take on, but I understand that I should be doing things in the best interests of the property owner, not myself.
Thankyou all
Racing Newt said:
geeks said:
Taz1111 said:
Hi all, currently in a situation where a property isn't yet registered entirely in 1 of my parents names. A transfer document and document were fully signed 10 years ago. They weren't filed for a number of reasons, but they are now with a solicitor.
The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
My understanding is that with that TR1 document along with clear wording that the outgoing party has no claim in the property from the date that letter was signed, that the outgoing party shouldn't be there and is trespassing. If someone can correct me here please feel free.
Now one of the people the outgoing party has allowed to be at the property has started a transfer of the internet into a contract of their own. I have called both providers, neither say they can cancel it, and I need LPA for the individual who has setup the new contract to cancel it! I find this pretty remarkable.
Has anyone had any experience with this last point, or any of this in general? I have LPA for the homeowner, but it's hard to know what to do, and the solicitor isn't fully upto speed with everything. It's essentially me against the rest of my family, which is quite difficult to take on, but I understand that I should be doing things in the best interests of the property owner, not myself.
Thankyou all
I'm not sure what the question was but I am pretty confident the answer is 11.The other party is interfering, living at the property (not in the house), and has given permission for other family members to be there.
My understanding is that with that TR1 document along with clear wording that the outgoing party has no claim in the property from the date that letter was signed, that the outgoing party shouldn't be there and is trespassing. If someone can correct me here please feel free.
Now one of the people the outgoing party has allowed to be at the property has started a transfer of the internet into a contract of their own. I have called both providers, neither say they can cancel it, and I need LPA for the individual who has setup the new contract to cancel it! I find this pretty remarkable.
Has anyone had any experience with this last point, or any of this in general? I have LPA for the homeowner, but it's hard to know what to do, and the solicitor isn't fully upto speed with everything. It's essentially me against the rest of my family, which is quite difficult to take on, but I understand that I should be doing things in the best interests of the property owner, not myself.
Thankyou all
Sometimes the answer is 42…
This is the one about cats s
tting in your garden isn't it?
They don't like water sprays or spicy fragrance.
Or you can piss all over your fences.
Which every man should do regularly anyway.
It's part of what it is to be British.
Bet SQS does it all the time at number 10.
Or Lord Ali pays someone to do it for him etc.
tting in your garden isn't it?They don't like water sprays or spicy fragrance.
Or you can piss all over your fences.
Which every man should do regularly anyway.
It's part of what it is to be British.
Bet SQS does it all the time at number 10.
Or Lord Ali pays someone to do it for him etc.
Red Devil said:
Oceanrower said:
Yellow Lizud said:
Oceanrower said:
Sometimes the answer is 42
This is the correct answer.What was the question?
Edited by Oceanrower on Saturday 27th September 08:46
I asked ChatGPT to try and clarify the OP:
Here’s a plain-English breakdown of what’s going on and what you can do:
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1. Title vs. Land Registry reality
• TR1 (transfer deed) — If it was signed by all the right parties 10 years ago but never registered with the Land Registry, the legal title hasn’t actually moved. Your parent may have an equitable (beneficial) interest, but the register still shows the old owner until the transfer is lodged and completed.
• Effect — Until the Land Registry updates the register, the “outgoing” party may still look like the legal owner. That means your ability to treat them as a trespasser is shaky: they’re probably not legally trespassing because the public title hasn’t changed. Your solicitor needs to finish submitting the TR1 (with AP1 and supporting docs) so the register is updated.
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2. Dealing with the people living/using the property
• Right now — If the old owner’s name is still on the register, they can (technically) give others permission to occupy or use parts of the land.
• After registration — Once the transfer is registered in your parent’s sole name, anyone remaining without consent becomes a trespasser and you (or the solicitor) can demand they leave or seek possession.
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3. Internet/utility contract issue
• Why you’re blocked — Broadband companies treat the account holder (whoever ordered service) as the customer. They won’t cancel just because you have LPA (lasting power of attorney) for the property owner — because the account isn’t in the property owner’s name.
• Options
• Ask the provider to open a new account in the owner’s name and disconnect the existing line once yours is live.
• Have the account holder (if possible) cancel.
• If the person set it up fraudulently (no right to use the address), you could raise it as misuse of your parent’s address with the provider or — as a last resort — a civil trespass/illegal occupation complaint once your parent is on the register.
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4. Practical steps to take now
1. Push your solicitor to complete the Land Registry transfer — they may need ID checks, SDLT return (even if nil), and to lodge the TR1 with an AP1.
2. Secure the property once the title is updated (change locks, issue notices).
3. Keep notes of who’s on site and what permission they claim. This matters if you have to evict later.
4. Separate the internet issue — it’s a consumer contract problem, not a land/title one. Either out-compete them with a new contract or report fraud if they misrepresented their right to order service.
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5. Legal help
You’re dealing with property law + occupation rights. If your solicitor isn’t responsive, consider:
• A conveyancing solicitor to finish the TR1 registration.
• A property litigation solicitor if you need to remove occupants after registration.
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Key point: Until the Land Registry shows your parent as the legal owner, you don’t have a solid basis to say the outgoing party or their invitees are trespassing. Focus on finishing the registration first — that unlocks the power to act.
Would you like me to draft a short email you can send your solicitor to push them to complete registration and clarify the occupation issue?
Here’s a plain-English breakdown of what’s going on and what you can do:
⸻
1. Title vs. Land Registry reality
• TR1 (transfer deed) — If it was signed by all the right parties 10 years ago but never registered with the Land Registry, the legal title hasn’t actually moved. Your parent may have an equitable (beneficial) interest, but the register still shows the old owner until the transfer is lodged and completed.
• Effect — Until the Land Registry updates the register, the “outgoing” party may still look like the legal owner. That means your ability to treat them as a trespasser is shaky: they’re probably not legally trespassing because the public title hasn’t changed. Your solicitor needs to finish submitting the TR1 (with AP1 and supporting docs) so the register is updated.
⸻
2. Dealing with the people living/using the property
• Right now — If the old owner’s name is still on the register, they can (technically) give others permission to occupy or use parts of the land.
• After registration — Once the transfer is registered in your parent’s sole name, anyone remaining without consent becomes a trespasser and you (or the solicitor) can demand they leave or seek possession.
⸻
3. Internet/utility contract issue
• Why you’re blocked — Broadband companies treat the account holder (whoever ordered service) as the customer. They won’t cancel just because you have LPA (lasting power of attorney) for the property owner — because the account isn’t in the property owner’s name.
• Options
• Ask the provider to open a new account in the owner’s name and disconnect the existing line once yours is live.
• Have the account holder (if possible) cancel.
• If the person set it up fraudulently (no right to use the address), you could raise it as misuse of your parent’s address with the provider or — as a last resort — a civil trespass/illegal occupation complaint once your parent is on the register.
⸻
4. Practical steps to take now
1. Push your solicitor to complete the Land Registry transfer — they may need ID checks, SDLT return (even if nil), and to lodge the TR1 with an AP1.
2. Secure the property once the title is updated (change locks, issue notices).
3. Keep notes of who’s on site and what permission they claim. This matters if you have to evict later.
4. Separate the internet issue — it’s a consumer contract problem, not a land/title one. Either out-compete them with a new contract or report fraud if they misrepresented their right to order service.
⸻
5. Legal help
You’re dealing with property law + occupation rights. If your solicitor isn’t responsive, consider:
• A conveyancing solicitor to finish the TR1 registration.
• A property litigation solicitor if you need to remove occupants after registration.
⸻
Key point: Until the Land Registry shows your parent as the legal owner, you don’t have a solid basis to say the outgoing party or their invitees are trespassing. Focus on finishing the registration first — that unlocks the power to act.
Would you like me to draft a short email you can send your solicitor to push them to complete registration and clarify the occupation issue?
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