2017 Range Rover SDV8 - 4th time lucky?
2017 Range Rover SDV8 - 4th time lucky?
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Tom4398cc

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367 posts

51 months

Saturday 20th September
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I’ve recently bought a Range Rover for the fourth time. I’d been trying hard to manage without one as my daily driver, but not helped by the excellent Stick Legs thread on here, I cracked and got another one.

Quick photo:



Potted version of my Land-Rover history. After growing up around them and liking them forever, I held out until the age of 43 before I got one in September 2017. A January 2004 L322 V8 petrol with a FSH and 167,000 miles bought for £4,500 from a dealer near Swindon. Following appropriate man maths it was bought instead of spending £3k on winter wheels and tyres for the E Class estate that was my daily driver. I thought up to a couple of thousand miles per year - used just for mountain biking and on snow days. I think the military say no plan survived first contact with the enemy. Well my L322 plan didn’t survive first contact with the family. They all loved it for weekends and holidays. So for the next 5 years it did 10,000 miles per year. At 16mpg and £5k pa in repairs and maintenance. Anyway, here’s a photo:



I’ve still got it, but with running cars for my son and daughter I ran out of space at home and money to keep it on the road, so it has been in storage since July 2022. I go and see it a couple of times a year and start it and run it for a few miles then out it back to bed under a cosy curved in an old chicken shed.

So delighted was I with the L322, LR product no2 for me was a 2015 Range Rover Evoque SD4 in place of the very reliable e class. The “Lady-Rover” as mates christened it, was nice enough to drive but suffered loads of build quality issues. It was an approved used one from the local LR dealer. They were hopeless in fixing the myriad issues. I remember driving to Lancashire one day and the windscreen seal started coming out/off. I stopped to tape it in place. Blow me if 10 miles later the same happened on the other side of the windscreen. That plus a stop start system that couldn’t be made to work “your are braking too gently” said the LR Master technician. I gave up and got a BMW M135i instead. The one saving grace is I don’t have a photo to hand of the Lady Rover.

LR product no. 3arrived in July 2022 and was a 110. Bought from a farming mate for my horse mad daughter. I taught her to drive in it (away from public road - she was 16) and we had some great adventures in it.



It was a great thing but once she’d passed her driving test, we couldn’t get her insured at less than £4,500. So it was replaced by a Mini Countryman that was half as much to insure.

Sorry - real life calls - to be continued……..

Mij91

131 posts

105 months

Saturday 20th September
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Good luck.

Tom4398cc

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367 posts

51 months

Saturday 20th September
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So next along came LR product No. 4 and Range Rover No. 3 for me. An Aintree Green 2015 L494 Range Rover Sport SDV6 with clear glass bought from a specialist in Oxfordshire with 97,000 on the clock for £22k in August 2023



I had been running round in a 2015 VW Golf GTi 3 door manual which I really liked. It just did everything really well without feeling at all boring. I Drove it to the Alps twice. But………
My Dad was poorly with cancer throughout 2023. I was taking him to a lot of his appointments. One day he said to me that he was finding it harder to get in and out the Golf being a touch low for a poorly 78 year old and with the big side bolsters on the seats. So I knew what I needed to do and found the L494. I knew the 4.4 was the better engine, but I didn’t like the fussiness of the wheels that the top spec L494s came with. And I appreciate that I am in a tiny minority here, but I can’t cope with privacy glass. I’m a nothing special to look at middle aged bloke, a chartered surveyor by trade. I don’t sell drugs and I don’t think I should be on Love Island. So it’s plain glass or nothing for me.

With bigger things on my mind, I quickly bought the first green L494 with actual FSH (don’t get me started on how few Range Rovers get properly serviced) I came across.

Generally it was very good and a very enjoyable place to be. I did 35,000 miles over the next 18 months. Here it is with my L322



And here it is doing it’s thing very well when took me and my family out to the West coast of Ireland:


When I got it, it immediately had pesky issues with the EGR valve. To be fair to the supplying dealer in Oxfordshire, he met the cost of a local garage to me (North Yorkshire) replacing the EGR valve. A few thousand miles later a Nox sensor went, which I paid for. I liked it, had no plans to change it, so it had a couple of big services of £1,500 (bushes, brakes) and then £3,000 (4 tyres, gearbox oil, diffs etc). But then I had the return of the EGR valve issues. My not quite local L-R very good mechanic cleaned everything out a couple of times (not cheap) but the issue would arise again after 2,000 to 3,000 miles. The mechanic concluded that the DPF must be split. £3k to replace but the mechanic proposed removing the DPF and mapping it out.

I didn’t want insurance or MoT worries at the back of my mind. I’d also got fed up with all the social media 3.0 SDV6 rebuild stories. I didn’t want to spend £3k on DPFs and then have the engine go pop. So I’m sad to say I gave up. Which wasn’t pretty…….if memory serves, £8,500 at WBAC. Yes, I deserve all the comments I’ll get for £14k depreciation in 18 months.

I retreated to lick my wounds with a stop gap car - a 2008 Audi TT coupe manual with the 3.2v6. Which was lovely:


I bought with the intention of running it for a bit whilst I did some proper research on electric cars. But I just couldn’t muster the enthusiasm. So enjoyed the TT. The engine was lovely. Gearbox ok. Chassis fine on a smooth road, a bit wanting as soon as it got bumpy. But I could live with that. It was passengers that signed its exit. Not great for my 79 year old mother, but she never complained. Unlike my wife and daughter who would only go in it as a last resort. And my trainee at work said she got travel sick in it.

So I decided to move on from the TT and have one last through of the dice with a car with a proper engine before ICE is outlawed or becomes frowned upon. I knew in my heart that for covering the miles early in the morning and late at night, and long trips, nothing really compares to a Range Rover. But having bailed out of the L494 at considerable cost, should I really take the plunge again?

Tom4398cc

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367 posts

51 months

Saturday 20th September
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Of course i shouldn’t………but i did.

I rang my L-R mechanic and told him I was thinking of going again. He said it wasn’t unusual with customers, they get fed up, get rid, but then miss driving a Range Rover, and end up coming back for more. I said I was thinking 4.4. He said yes, but issues aren’t unheard of. He said get the lowest miles and best service history you can.

I started looking. I’d decided on a 4.4 diesel L405. The thread that Stick Legs has on here on his was inspiring. I ruled out the 2018 facelift onwards cars - I didn’t want a Tesla type touch screen. I’ve got an Autocar 50 page special feature on the development of the L322. One of the design requirements was that all switches and buttons could be operated with gloves on. So sensible!

Because I go into a city centre or 2 or 3 times each week with work, I knew I had to go Euro 6 ( and accept the risk with EGR, Nox sensors and PDFs). So the when I overlaid my other requirements: green or grey exterior; light interior; and clear glass; I had a short short list.

Knowing what I’ve learned about many Range Rovers not having FSH, I made sure I spoke to dealers about the FSH before I went to look at anything. Slightly against my better judgment I went to see one that had lots of history but potentially some gaps. When I got over there and went through the docs, it had 28,000 miles between services at one point. It had been a one owner car to early 2023 but had not been serviced since 2022 or taxed since Spring 2023. I asked the dealer what had happened over the last couple of years. He said he didn’t know and that post covid, you get gaps and you just wouldn’t know. I wasn’t brave enough and walked away. I had a short drive it it though, which was helpful.

I decided to get the youngest one I could that was Euro 6 but before the big touch screens. That meant upping my budget a bit but brought into scope a 2017 one with 80,000 miles at a dealer in Shropshire. Again please bear in mind my clear glass requirement - there are surprisingly few clear glass L405s out there. There was a blacked out windows one 4 miles away, but I knew I couldn’t compromise on that.

I rang up about the Shropshire one. The dealer was really helpful and set out the service history in detail in an email to me. They also took some additional photos of some aspects of the car that I wasn’t sure about from the 30 or so photos on their advert. It all looked good, so I arranged to go and see it a few days later.

In the flesh it was good. The service history was good with print outs of the service invoices, showing it had had annual services and the expected renewal of bushes and brakes.

It drove well too, very smooth. No knocks or bangs or rattles. The dealer made a compelling proposal to take the TT as a part ex. So we shook hands. The dealer was going to then do a health check and valet the car before delivery. I’d signed on the line and Range Rover no. 4 was incoming!

Mikebentley

7,636 posts

157 months

Saturday 20th September
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As a Range Rover and Land Rover owner I’m in for the journey.

Tom4398cc

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367 posts

51 months

Saturday 20th September
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So a week later I was an L405 owner! Here is the PH obligatory photo of it being filled up 2 miles after I picked it up:


It was lovely and smooth. It was great to be back in a Range Rover. The high seating position, the fantastic visibility, the smell of leather, the good quality radio sound. Wafting about in a Range Rover is such a relaxing way to travel. I was a happy man.

About an hour into the journey back, I got to the bottom of a hill. It was an A road with two lanes up the hill and one lane down the hill. I’m generally a very steady driver. But I decided to open the L405 a little bit up the hill. It picked up well and was super smooth. I moved out to pass a skip lorry. Once passed the truck the I could see the point where the road went back to a normal one lane in each direction. I moved back into the inside lane. As I did so I heard a beep, saw red on the dash. The L405 went from 65mph to 15mph in no time at all. I looked in the mirror and saw the poor skip truck driver drop his butty and eyes bulging, stand on the brakes. Huge apologies fella and thanks for being so on the ball.

I pulled off the road as soon as it was safe:



Restricted performance.

As you’ll appreciate from the thread above, this isn’t my first L-R product rodeo. So I didn’t panic and went for the global IT solution of switching it off and on again. And it worked! Well, for about 50 feet. Then it dropped into Restricted Performance again.

I called the dealer. They were really good. We talked through the options. We agreed I’d try to drive it back, but if it was too dicey they would arrange for a trailer or recovery truck to come to get it.

I jumped out. Locked it. Called my wife, who was really gutted for me but supportive. I guess she knows I’ve got a L-R blind spot. After five minutes I unlocked the L405 and started it. No warning light! I drove it. Couple of hundred yards - no warning light. So I drove it gently back to the dealer for an hour, no warning light.

The dealer was great when I got back, really apologetic. They read the codes and suspected an air leak from the manifold or rather the pipes that service it. They had a good look at it on the ramp but couldn’t see anything obvious. They said they’d had it for a few months, so it might just be a consequence of having got properly warmed through and something glitched. We agreed it needed some miles to see if the issue cropped up again. I opted to take it away with me rather than leave it with them. I knew I’d be able to put miles on it more quickly than they would.

So attempt to drive it home no. 2…….

MarkGArgyle

444 posts

171 months

Saturday 20th September
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Currently in a faultless X3 M40i for the last 4yrs but really fancy a RR as the next car. Watching with interest although the latest post is not helping me to jump from German engineering biggrin

Tom4398cc

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367 posts

51 months

Saturday 20th September
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By now it is 4pm on a Friday afternoon. Google maps said I should take a very orange and congested M62 back to North Yorkshire. I didn’t fancy the congestion, or driving up the big hill out of Lancashire back to Yorkshire on the M62 in case it glitched again. So I decided to trundle up the A roads through Cheshire towards Warrington, then M6 to Preston, then back over the Pennines on the A59. Being a normal A road, I’d have more options and gateways if it glitched again.

Which it did towards the top of a long hill. Here it is parked and locked for 5 minutes to see if the restricted performance mode would reset



It did reset itself, so I drove back gently home with no further issues. When I got home, I dropped the dealer an email with an update.

At 8:30 the following morning, the dealer was on the phone really interested in exactly what had happened. He was great - all options were on the table to resolve it including paying for the local LR garage of my choice to fix it. I decided I’d rather it went back to the supplying dealer to sort. They were happy with this. I was heading south on Thursday the following week, so said I’d drop it in then and they said they’d give me a courtesy car.

Mikebentley

7,636 posts

157 months

Saturday 20th September
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Is it Carpathian grey?

Tom4398cc

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367 posts

51 months

Saturday 20th September
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MarkGArgyle said:
Currently in a faultless X3 M40i for the last 4yrs but really fancy a RR as the next car. Watching with interest although the latest post is not helping me to jump from German engineering biggrin
Well, in my experience, you do have to really want a LR and to be prepared to put in some commitment. In my experience, almost all the main dealers are a complete waste of time. And some of the independent specialists copy the main dealer operating model too closely. So finding a good mechanic to look after it is key. You need someone with the expertise who will put the time into diagnosis and taking it on and off the ramp, rather than someone who wants it ion the ramp once, fire the parts gun at it and then gets it off the ramp and bill the customer.

If you would struggle to find the time and patience for a few issues, and you just need your car to work, the Germans are more likely to do that. Having said that, I did have a 2009 BMW X5 throw its timing chain and lunch its engine 2 days out of approved used warranty. BMW didn’t want to know, just quoted £20k for a new engine.

cliffords

2,839 posts

40 months

Saturday 20th September
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It's like someone has torn the last page of the book out

Tom4398cc

Original Poster:

367 posts

51 months

Saturday 20th September
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Mikebentley said:
Is it Carpathian grey?
I think so, but don’t know for sure. I need to find and check the build sheet.

BTW, I always enjoy your comments on other LR threads.

Tom4398cc

Original Poster:

367 posts

51 months

Saturday 20th September
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Sorry Cliffords I’ll try to get to the point / up to date.

So, I dropped the L405 back to the dealer and left in a 1 litre Fiesta. Living the dream.

After a couple of days the dealer had diagnosed a failed vacuum operated actuator after the high pressure turbo. Just in time for a cyber attack to take away the ability order parts from JLR.

We waited a couple of weeks. To get things resolved the dealer bought another 4.4 in for his stock, removed the actuator, inspected it to make sure it was ok and fitted it to mine. At my request, the dealer then did 100 miles it it to check it was ok. All ok. So I collected the car yesterday, and happily gave back the 1 litre Fiesta.

The drive back home was fine. The engine pulling really well and returning 33mpg. I wafted along most of the time, but pushed it on a bit up the big hills and it all seems fine.

So that brings us up to date. I’m delighted to have it back. It had its first off road foray in my ownership today. Nothing extreme but it sailed through the heavy rain induced mud in the parking area at Allerton horse trials with aplomb.

I’m aiming to keep this thread up to date with an honest account of how I find running it. I hope its of interest to some of you. Thanks for reading this far and apologies it it has been too waffly.

Mad Maximus

687 posts

20 months

Saturday 20th September
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Nice read fella. Big cars do get under your skin. Fingers crossed this one’s a goodun.

tobinen

10,025 posts

162 months

Sunday 21st September
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Congratulations. It looks great.

Shnozz

29,455 posts

288 months

Sunday 21st September
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Apologies if I missed it but what engine is in this one?

I keep looking at last gen RRS. Originally was looking at the 3L diesel but research suggests I should look elsewhere so following with interest from someone who has gone through so many examples as to what the educated choice is!

Tom4398cc

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367 posts

51 months

Sunday 21st September
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Thanks for the good wishes.

It is the 4.4 litre V8 diesel, known as the SDV8. The general consensus is that whilst it isn’t quite as good as the SDV6 on fuel, it is less prone to the crankshaft failure that the V6 can suffer with. My LR mechanic said to me that the diesel V8 isn’t without a few potential issues, but in the main they are less serious than the risks with the V6.

classicaholic

2,046 posts

87 months

Sunday 21st September
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Nice choice of RR, I have the same but in drug dealer black and blacked out windows, I would have preferred the clear ones but couldn't get one anywhere. Great cars but I think my previous L322 was better as a work horse, this thing is too cleaver by 1/2 - who needs power boot, million way adjusting seats and powered back seats, it takes longer to fold the rear seats, longer to open the tail gate, just not needed really.

Stick Legs

7,741 posts

182 months

Sunday 21st September
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Welcome to the club.

Try and see how old the battery is, mine threw up restricted performance as it couldn't re-gen the DPF, battery health is a Re-Gen parameter.

Thanks for the compliments on my thread, never sure how many people read these things so glad it's enjoyed. beer

Mine is Causeway Grey.

Stick Legs

7,741 posts

182 months

Sunday 21st September
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classicaholic said:
Nice choice of RR, I have the same but in drug dealer black and blacked out windows, I would have preferred the clear ones but couldn't get one anywhere. Great cars but I think my previous L322 was better as a work horse, this thing is too cleaver by 1/2 - who needs power boot, million way adjusting seats and powered back seats, it takes longer to fold the rear seats, longer to open the tail gate, just not needed really.
All true but an L322 won't sit at nearly 90mph to the south of France and back and still return 32 mpg!