Traffic Control Asleep ?
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Driving North on the M1 this morning and about a mile before Junction 18 an overhead board comes up saying 60 mph queue after junction . At 68 mph I drop to 60 mph , no queue at junction and no other overhead warning boards are alight . I then go back to 68 mph and am promptly flashed by the next camera . I then travel another 30 miles with no warning boards lit not even one advising the National Speed Limit has been restored . I never triggered any other camera at my preset 68mph . I shall be going to Court to defend this if prosecuted and I think their failure to display the resumption of the National Speed Limit as well as no further Cameras triggered could make the result interesting
reddiesel said:
Driving North on the M1 this morning and about a mile before Junction 18 an overhead board comes up saying 60 mph queue after junction . At 68 mph I drop to 60 mph , no queue at junction and no other overhead warning boards are alight . I then go back to 68 mph and am promptly flashed by the next camera . I then travel another 30 miles with no warning boards lit not even one advising the National Speed Limit has been restored . I never triggered any other camera at my preset 68mph . I shall be going to Court to defend this if prosecuted and I think their failure to display the resumption of the National Speed Limit as well as no further Cameras triggered could make the result interesting
If you are going to court you will need lots more evidence than the story. Did you have dash cam?
reddiesel said:
Driving North on the M1 this morning and about a mile before Junction 18 an overhead board comes up saying 60 mph queue after junction . At 68 mph I drop to 60 mph , no queue at junction and no other overhead warning boards are alight . I then go back to 68 mph and am promptly flashed by the next camera . I then travel another 30 miles with no warning boards lit not even one advising the National Speed Limit has been restored . I never triggered any other camera at my preset 68mph . I shall be going to Court to defend this if prosecuted and I think their failure to display the resumption of the National Speed Limit as well as no further Cameras triggered could make the result interesting
If you were flashed with no limit signs showing I doubt you will hear anything. I was double flashed @ an indicated 85 in the early hours with no limit showing and not heard a thing.
Incorrect speed restrictions on the variable roads is so regular in this part of the world recently, I regularly pass one on the A14, just before it splits to the A1, set at 40mph very early in the morning with virtually zero traffic . the cynic thinks a money making exercise lol.
Rusty Old-Banger said:
Yep the way fixed, non-average speed cameras are set up, the image of your car speeding should also show the speed limit sign, be that matrix or otherwise. No sign visible, no ticket, in my experience. (highways engineer who has installed many cameras)
Hi, sorry to jump on this topic but a genuine question from me - I always thought the cameras were mounted on the opposite side of the gantry displaying the speed limit, so how do they get a picture of the vehicle and the speed limit sign?blueg33 said:
If you are going to court you will need lots more evidence than the story.
Did you have dash cam?
Not really . I will simply ask them to produce evidence of any other warning alight after the camera which there wasn't and any evidence of the resumption of the National Speed Limit which again was non existent .Did you have dash cam?
Thanks for everyone's kindness in replying , sadly another wait over the weekend to see if the Postman arrives .
reddiesel said:
blueg33 said:
If you are going to court you will need lots more evidence than the story.
Did you have dash cam?
Not really . I will simply ask them to produce evidence of any other warning alight after the camera which there wasn't and any evidence of the resumption of the National Speed Limit which again was non existent .Did you have dash cam?
Thanks for everyone's kindness in replying , sadly another wait over the weekend to see if the Postman arrives .
cobra kid said:
I thought it stayed at the displayed limit until it is then displayed back to NSL?
Same here. Unless a new sign changes it - I thought that the last sign showing applies. I suppose if you pass a junction and joining traffic has no sign displayed then you could assume the lower limit has finished.
JustDerv said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
Yep the way fixed, non-average speed cameras are set up, the image of your car speeding should also show the speed limit sign, be that matrix or otherwise. No sign visible, no ticket, in my experience. (highways engineer who has installed many cameras)
Hi, sorry to jump on this topic but a genuine question from me - I always thought the cameras were mounted on the opposite side of the gantry displaying the speed limit, so how do they get a picture of the vehicle and the speed limit sign?GasEngineer said:
cobra kid said:
I thought it stayed at the displayed limit until it is then displayed back to NSL?
Same here. Unless a new sign changes it - I thought that the last sign showing applies. I suppose if you pass a junction and joining traffic has no sign displayed then you could assume the lower limit has finished.
JustDerv said:
TUS373 said:
There are two sets of cameras. The yellow ones are as you say, mounted behind the gantry, but there is another pair on a pole before the gantry. The photos are grouped together.
Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense to me 
RSTurboPaul said:
I thought all the cameras mounted on/behind the gantries (i.e. above the carriageway and usually hidden behind signs) had been removed and replaced with the cameras that are cantilevered off the left hand gantry support column?
There is still another camera mounted on a pole before you get to the gantry (maybe 50yds before, not sure) that takes a photo of the gantry displaying the limit. It has nothing to do with monitoring the speed, that is done by the cameras on the gantry, either behind the gantry or on the left hand edge of it. The 2 photos are then matched, by the time they were taken.Have a look on Google street view and you will see the pole and camera just off to the left before the gantry.
Just another day on the utter shambles that is Britain’s “managed motorways” - I presume that name is by now some sort of running joke in the offices where the 11 year olds who operate the signage all sit.
What I find particularly frustrating is that very obviously the kit exists to do this properly and the understanding of how to achieve this is really very straightforward, but yet the whole operation appears to be done with a huge dose of Can’t Be Arsed. Use the signs properly, or don’t, whatever, no one cares…
As I said, 11 year olds.
What I find particularly frustrating is that very obviously the kit exists to do this properly and the understanding of how to achieve this is really very straightforward, but yet the whole operation appears to be done with a huge dose of Can’t Be Arsed. Use the signs properly, or don’t, whatever, no one cares…
As I said, 11 year olds.
RSTurboPaul said:
GasEngineer said:
cobra kid said:
I thought it stayed at the displayed limit until it is then displayed back to NSL?
Same here. Unless a new sign changes it - I thought that the last sign showing applies. I suppose if you pass a junction and joining traffic has no sign displayed then you could assume the lower limit has finished.
Edited by Skodillac on Thursday 11th September 12:54
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