2030 F1 regs

[ajprice]

The latest idea on the next next gen F1 is 2.4 litre V8 engines, sustainable fuel (which I think is happening in 2026 anyway) and a simple hybrid KERS system making 10% of the total power (2026 regs are 50% ICE and 50% electric).

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-accelerates-...

Sounds good to me.

[thegreenhell]

It sounds like 2009 again.

[kambites]

It would seem a very odd direction for the PU manufacturers to support.

[carl_w]

kambites said:

It would seem a very odd direction for the PU manufacturers to support.

Plus they have had the current engines for 11 years. Doubt they'd be happy with the amount of money they've pumped in 2026 to have the engines change after 4 years.

[MontyPythonX]

kambites said:

It would seem a very odd direction for the PU manufacturers to support.

Agreed, I cant see manufacturers liking the drop from 50% electric to only 10%

[vaud]

Given the US is one of the largest markets, and the direction seems to be away from sustainability, I wouldn't be surprised...

[cholo]

MontyPythonX said:

kambites said:

It would seem a very odd direction for the PU manufacturers to support.

Agreed, I cant see manufacturers liking the drop from 50% electric to only 10%

But where would they go from 50%?

Full EV? They know that will be a commercial flop.

[geeks]

Click bait article is click bait!

[Snappy89]

cholo said:

But where would they go from 50%?

Full EV? They know that will be a commercial flop.

Formula E has the monopoly with the FIA on EV single seater racing until 2048, so they'll never go full EV in Formula 1 any time soon.

Hybrid systems are losing their relevance with the majority of consumer vehicles moving to BEVs, so it actually makes sense to go back to a more traditional engine formula with perhaps just a small KERS as mentioned in the OP.

[paulguitar]

geeks said:

Click bait article is click bait!

How so? It all seemed sensible to me.

[kambites]

cholo said:

But where would they go from 50%?

Why would they need to change so soon at all? Engine regs cycles have rarely been that short in the past.

At some point, I think F1 will have to choose to go fully electric to keep the major car manufacturers on board or diverge from road relevance (or at least the perception of road relevance, which is more important) to the point that car manufacturers are no longer interested. I doubt even they know which way they will jump at the moment but I'd be amazed if they don't drag that decision well beyond 2030.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 4th September 17:53

[thegreenhell]

geeks said:

Click bait article is click bait!

It's not clickbait. It's a report on meeting that is actually happening next week.

Autosport are reporting the same thing, if you prefer - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-and-f1-manuf...

[thegreenhell]

carl_w said:

kambites said:

It would seem a very odd direction for the PU manufacturers to support.

Plus they have had the current engines for 11 years. Doubt they'd be happy with the amount of money they've pumped in 2026 to have the engines change after 4 years.

If this goes ahead then Cadillac would be designing a new engine to be used for only two years, then immediately designing something completely different. Presumably at that point they scrap the plans for the first engine and remain a Ferrari customer until the end of cycle, and just build one new design for the V8s.

[kambites]

thegreenhell said:

If this goes ahead then Cadillac would be designing a new engine to be used for only two years, then immediately designing something completely different. Presumably at that point they scrap the plans for the first engine and remain a Ferrari customer until the end of cycle, and just build one new design for the V8s.

It wouldn't be much more appealing for Audi either; a hell of an investment to throw away after four years!

[cholo]

kambites said:

cholo said:

But where would they go from 50%?

Why would they need to change so soon at all? Engine regs cycles have rarely been that short in the past.

At some point, I think F1 will have to choose to go fully electric to keep the major car manufacturers on board or diverge from road relevance (or at least the perception of road relevance, which is more important) to the point that car manufacturers are no longer interested. I doubt even they know which way they will jump at the moment but I'd be amazed if they don't drag that decision well beyond 2030.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 4th September 17:53

But really it's just a few tweaks to the current engine formula.

By 2030 the current basic engine regs would have been in place for 14 years, which is a lifteime in F1 terms.

As mentoioned, they can't go fully EV, so i think it was alwyas highly likley that this was on the cards.

[geeks]

thegreenhell said:

geeks said:

Click bait article is click bait!

It's not clickbait. It's a report on meeting that is actually happening next week.

Autosport are reporting the same thing, if you prefer - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-and-f1-manuf...

Precisely its a report on a meeting that hasn't happened yet on an engine setup abandoned over a decade ago.

Do I think we need something else for a PU in F1? Yes.
Do I think it will be exactly what we dumped back then? No.
Does anyone have any idea what the outcome of the meeting is before it happens? No.
Do I believe a single word that comes out of MBSs mouth? Not a fking chance!

Do bear in mind they are having lots of meetings like this, like the one where they ruled out a return to a V10.

[marine boy]

Last conversation I had with a person in charge of a current F1 PU program, they mentioned hydrogen was being seriously considered for 2030

Hopefully meeting up in a couple of weeks so will report back

[vaud]

marine boy said:

Last conversation I had with a person in charge of a current F1 PU program, they mentioned hydrogen was being seriously considered for 2030

Hopefully meeting up in a couple of weeks so will report back

No way for hydrogen. It doesnt have enough energy density.

[marine boy]

vaud said:

No way for hydrogen. It doesnt have enough energy density.

OK then, think you might want to let the FIA know they're going down the wrong road then

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single...

[paulguitar]

marine boy said:

vaud said:

No way for hydrogen. It doesnt have enough energy density.

OK then, think you might want to let the FIA know they're going down the wrong road then

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single...

That article is from 2 years ago. I think Dominicali said recently they are not looking at hydrogen power seriously at present, that any possibility is a long, long way off. Can't remember where he said that, on 'The Race' podcast, maybe.