RE: Peugeot 205 Mi16 | PH Private Area
RE: Peugeot 205 Mi16 | PH Private Area
Wednesday 3rd September

Peugeot 205 Mi16 | PH Private Area

Enough with the perfectly preserved GTIs already - here's a 205 to really get out and drive


There’s no joy quite like modifying a car. Picking out exactly the upgrades you want, tailoring the car exactly to your taste, making it drive just how you like a car to drive. A properly personal project is rewarding like little else. 

The potential difficulty comes when it’s time to sell up, because other folk might not like your changes; and the pool of prospective buyers does tend to be bigger for standard cars. But here we might have the modified holy grail. Because here’s an extensively altered 205 GTI - complete with a 200hp Mi16 and a six-speed, for starters - that could be more desirable to more people than standard. Alright, so it won’t win any prizes on the lawn for originality, but if we assume that most people who now want a 205 GTI are after raw classic car excitement, an old school pocket rocket thrill, then there can’t be any better. Plus it still looks absolutely fabulous. 

Great though standard 205s undoubtedly are, there’s no escaping the fact that even the youngest GTIs are now more than 30 years old. Even the mint examples will likely have tired brakes and suspension, and while they’ll feel exciting to drive they certainly won’t seem as speedy as they did in the 90s. Course you could go the full Tolman on modernising one, but that’s a hugely pricey process. Whereas this one is for sale at thousands less than some low mileage, standard examples. 

To the important stuff. The engine is the 1.9-litre Mi16, rebuilt with Jenvey throttle bodies, high lift cams, a custom exhaust manifold, plus a ported and polished head. It’s now making more than 200hp, features a baffled sump to keep the oil coming on track, and promises some very serious performance in a car so light. The sound has to be glorious, too. Marshalling the power is a refurbished GTI-6 gearbox, with Quaife limited-slip diff. All the good stuff, basically. 

And that’s really just the start, because no part of the GTI package has been ignored in the pursuit of the perfect 205 track car. As well as the six-speed, there are brakes from a GTI-6 with braided hoses and EBC pads (plus bias adjustment), Gaz Gold coilovers, Powerflex bushes, a host of 309 GTI parts and Toyo Proxes tyres. You just know it’s going to be an absolute blast on any bit of tarmac, harnessed into the Sparco seats doing your best tarmac rally driver impression. 

Not that this is some kind of rough and ready road racer, though. ‘The idea was to create a trackday-spec car that still looked like a standard 205 GTi’, says the seller, so it’s been bare shell resprayed, Waxoyled, the trims smoothed and the wheels refurbished. The air horn even still works. While it wouldn’t take long for the keen to notice some changes, from the bonnet bulge to the big brakes, this remains a really smart little GTI. As well as one that promises enormous entertainment. 

It’s going to be sold with a year’s MOT, moreover, so B-roads will never be quite the same again. While a GTI this focused might require some getting used to for anyone familiar with new cars, it’s hardly like a standard one would be simple by today’s standards. With all the work completed and the sale only going ahead through a lack of use, it looks quite the opportunity for someone. And the desirability of the modifications won’t matter a jot if it’s never sold on again…

See the original advert here

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Neilbolts.

Original Poster:

1,232 posts

123 months

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Yes please , seems to have all the good stuff , big slice cheaper than a tollman edition !

Dudley99

63 posts

1 month

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"Direct Line - Has it been modified? Erm.........."

620S

423 posts

215 months

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Having done exactly this 10 + years ago it is indeed fantastic but tough choice as it's either wear a lid with that cage or get squashed in a tin can if you were ever to have an accident. Pains me as i love these!

Loplop

1,987 posts

202 months

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Dudley99 said:
"Direct Line - Has it been modified? Erm.........."
You'd have to be pretty soft to not declare modifications these days.

It's only ever brought my premiums down declaring mods weirdly.

nismo48

5,497 posts

224 months

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Great fun thing thumbup

ImFeelingSaucy

287 posts

41 months

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Lovely, but it's not a race car so remove the side bars for the cage and drop in the standard seats. (leave the rear as is)
Door bars, race seats and harness are a pain in a road car.
The 'race car' experience gets old real quick.

cerb4.5lee

38,174 posts

197 months

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I've never been a huge small car fan, and I was driving around in a Sierra XR4x4 when these were popular back in the day for example. However that does seem ace though, and I'd love a go in it for definite. driving

je777

738 posts

121 months

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620S said:
Having done exactly this 10 + years ago it is indeed fantastic but tough choice as it's either wear a lid with that cage or get squashed in a tin can if you were ever to have an accident. Pains me as i love these!
Genuine question - I've no idea - can you not sufficiently pad a roll cage so that you don't have to wear a helmet?

Thanks.

cerb4.5lee

38,174 posts

197 months

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ImFeelingSaucy said:
Lovely, but it's not a race car so remove the side bars for the cage and drop in the standard seats. (leave the rear as is)
Door bars, race seats and harness are a pain in a road car.
The 'race car' experience gets old real quick.
I can't disagree with that to be honest, and on the road my Caterham takes some driving as you allude to as well. You've got to be "really in the mood" to enjoy it I think. I'm showing my age now aren't I? hehe

shibby!

927 posts

215 months

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This is some timing!

I was looking at this last night. Very tempted.

2172cc

1,499 posts

114 months

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I did one a few years back to use in sprints. A lot of fun and pretty quick but really needed an LSD which I never got round to as the 1.6 gearbox spectacularly broke at Santa Pod. wobble



Edited by 2172cc on Wednesday 3rd September 14:40

Roono

52 posts

176 months

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I built one of these pre 2010 when I had the current Pistonheads driving roads on my doorstep and Harry Metcalf's route a short drive away.
Graphite Grey F771, wish I never sold it. Had great fun with the 205GTiDrivers forum community.

Originally a 1.9 but I fitted a 1.6 gearbox, and it was a rev monster. That Mi16 bark after 4k rpm = heaven. Such a great engine.

Fitted 306 GTi6 front calipers and master cylinder. GAZ front and rear adjustable dampers and slightly lowered. Something like a Xsara TurboD rear engine mount was recommended to stop the engine moving too much.

Great memories and i still have dreams where I've a forgotten 205 GTi in a garage lol!

Water Fairy

6,188 posts

172 months

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A lot to like there noice

bloomen

8,595 posts

176 months

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620S said:
Having done exactly this 10 + years ago it is indeed fantastic but tough choice as it's either wear a lid with that cage or get squashed in a tin can if you were ever to have an accident. Pains me as i love these!
You quite often see cages with a bit of foam added to them with the expectation that it's going to do you some favours in road use.

Either it's designed to go with a helmet, which means it'll crack your soft head open if you don't have one. Or it's from some plumbing supplies which means it'll crack your soft head open either way.

Benzinaio

367 posts

19 months

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Tyres were 185/55x15 as standard so were usually replaced with 195/50x15 as they were slightly wider, of the same diameter and cheaper.
This one though has too much sidewall and appears to be on 205/50 or 205/55.
Sorry for being a tyre saddo.
Otherwise lovely thing.
Edit; On the pic in the ad it looks like 195/something but they deffo look too tall.

Edited by Benzinaio on Wednesday 3rd September 17:56

2172cc

1,499 posts

114 months

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another consequence of fitting a cage is that the have to loose the door bins that house the electric window switches on a GTi in order to clear the side bars. I ended up converting mine to manual windows from a base model . Still have the door bins in the loft along with an few other bits that got taken off.

ST330

171 posts

28 months

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Love a 205GTi especially the 1.9.

Presumably, the roll cage is there to help the shell and prevent it from cracking at the top of the B pillars ? I'm sure some of those who've already replied with experience of modifying these will know the answer.

Given the success Renault have had with reimagined 5s and 4s, surprised Stellantis haven't electrified a 205. A 208 is not the same.

Maccmike8

1,368 posts

71 months

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I came close 25+ yrs ago buying one. Really wish I had. Its certainly a regret.

Terminator X

18,031 posts

221 months

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Amazing, looks absolutely mint too!

TX.

fttm

4,102 posts

152 months

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Used to rally one of these in the 90s , complete with LSD lightweight panels and a side exhaust . Went as expected but that diff was a liability, sold it to a rallycross guy and returned to rwd .