RE: Horse launches C15 range extender for EVs
RE: Horse launches C15 range extender for EVs
Wednesday 3rd September

Horse launches C15 range extender for EVs

Horse Powertrain says it can make EVs into range extenders with a box little bigger than a briefcase - here's how


It would be fair to say that nobody’s quite sure on the future of powertrains at the moment. Hedging all bets, inefficient though it probably seems, seems like the most sensible course of action. It’s certainly an approach that Horse Powertrain (the Renault/Geely/Aramco venture) is fully embracing with its new range extender tech, to be revealed at the IAA Mobility show. Maybe not the kind of powertrain solution to get you heart racing normally, but it’s interesting for the fact that Horse sees its new setup as suitable for EVs. The C15 ‘ultra compact range extender solution’ is intended as an EV conversion tool, requiring minimal modification to introduce extra miles to a battery powered car while retaining the benefits of electric drive. Horse says the C15 is ‘easily integrated with existing Electric Drive Units’. Which is certainly intriguing. The spirit of the BMW i3 lives on…

In a 500x550x275mm box lives a 1.5-litre four-pot, generator, cooling and exhaust; it’s sufficiently compact, reckons Horse, that it could live in the frunk of some EVs. The engine is 95hp strong for now, and intended for smaller vehicles, with a turbocharged 163hp version coming for larger applications. Both will be Euro 7 compliant. 

As is the range extender way, the C15 never drives the wheels, instead keeping the high voltage battery topped up to power the motor. The engine is kept at its most efficient rpms to make the most of its contribution and minimise noise intrusion. The battery, which Horse believes could be made smaller in future with the contribution of tech like C15 (counter-intuitive though that sounds), can be replenished as a pure EV, or the range extender fuelled. Horse reckons that ‘with low-carbon fuels, this means that the cradle-to-grave footprint will be comparable to a BEV.’ Where the fuel tank goes isn’t clear for the moment. 

And if you’re wondering why this might be a priority, over to Horse Powertrain CEO Matias Giannini: “Range extended EVs are the fastest-growing powertrain category in many global markets. The Horse C15 range extender solution offers OEMs a straightforward and cost-effective way to tap this opportunity, and adapt their native BEV platforms into REEVs (Range Extender Electric Vehicles). We believe demand for REEVs will continue to grow. Horse C15 will play a critical role in this transition, as one of the market’s most efficient and flexible REEV solutions to date. It also underlines our commitment and ability to support OEMs in delivering a full range of EVs, hybrids, and combustion platforms.” Maybe the Horse C15 is not the most thrilling of motor show debuts, but it seems unlikely to be the last we hear of it. Is it the future of electrification? Or a compromise too far? Over to you… 


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VladD

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Frunk? Shouldn't that be Froot for a UK based site? biggrin

Turbobanana

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Exciting news: Horse has announced a new, bespoke solution for Vauxhall customers wishing to extend the range on their small hatchbacks.

The programme will be called Horses for Corsas.

DeejRC

7,879 posts

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Turbobanana said:
Exciting news: Horse has announced a new, bespoke solution for Vauxhall customers wishing to extend the range on their small hatchbacks.

The programme will be called Horses for Corsas.
This deserves true recognition smile

fantheman80

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Turbobanana said:
Exciting news: Horse has announced a new, bespoke solution for Vauxhall customers wishing to extend the range on their small hatchbacks.

The programme will be called Horses for Corsas.
clap

I am not sure if the orders will be good to firm or soft in places

cookie1600

2,254 posts

178 months

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Great, add an ICE engine to make an EV go the same distance as.....

This might be briefcase sized, but where does that fuel tank for it go in reality?

Evanivitch

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139 months

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I think such light duty range extenders are going to be increasingly niche products. And whilst we're already seeing huge growth in electric light good vehicles, and the start of electric HGV (there's a few locally to me, very cool!) I can see why range extenders will see more demand in those applications.

Does this small engine scale to what is needed for larger applications?


Robertb

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Disappointed that this story did not involve a horse towing an EV.

But the "horses for corsas" joke made it worth a visit!

MikeGTi

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218 months

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Guys, I have this great idea to cut out the middleman high voltage battery.....

Dudley99

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cookie1600 said:
Great, add an ICE engine to make an EV go the same distance as.....

This might be briefcase sized, but where does that fuel tank for it go in reality?
Or the radiator or the exhaust? Or the mounts? And what about the compromised crash protection in a luggage space not designed for an engine? You will have to cut the floor out to prevent the space becoming an oven. And how do you connect it to a BEV designed for none of those things?

"Is that Dave's garage? I've just been online and bought a range extender engine for my BEV. Could I book an appointment for it fitting?........"


Edited by Dudley99 on Wednesday 3rd September 13:44

PSB1967

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The i3 Range extenders are known as 'Rex'. Something very apt as it runs on the juice of a dead one laugh

samoht

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It's possible to imagine one possible future where all 'utility' cars are EVs, just that some fraction of them have a range extender like this to meet the edge cases of those who feel the need to drive all day and all night, cover parts of the world where charging is unavailable, etc.

TheMachMan

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Aprils fools day seems earlier this year!

nismo48

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TheMachMan said:
Aprils fools day seems earlier this year!
hehe

Turbobanana

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fantheman80 said:
Turbobanana said:
Exciting news: Horse has announced a new, bespoke solution for Vauxhall customers wishing to extend the range on their small hatchbacks.

The programme will be called Horses for Corsas.
clap

I am not sure if the orders will be good to firm or soft in places
No more cringe-worthy puns from me on this. I'll hand the reins over to you.

Oh, wait...

Dudley99

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samoht said:
It's possible to imagine one possible future where all 'utility' cars are EVs, just that some fraction of them have a range extender like this to meet the edge cases of those who feel the need to drive all day and all night, cover parts of the world where charging is unavailable, etc.
In 50 years or 100 years time you mean?

garypotter

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That is a great idea and personally full EV is not the way forward for the majority of road users. i am looking at the new Nissan/Renault e tch thingy as full ev drive but a small generator to produce the power

ducnick

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260 months

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If we believe the ev evangelical and agree that for 99% of the time pure BEV is the ideal scenario, but you occasionally do long trips where recharging is an issue, eg a holiday to France, then how about a tow bar mounted box containing generator, fuel, cooling etc that can be fitted for those rare trips. These units would have to be non manufacturer specific so they could be fitted to any tow bar.
Instead of buying your own unit, you could rent one when needed. The rental company would deal with all the servicing issues.
I think that would be a good solution to the ev range issue.

andy43

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So many questions...
How does the exhaust work if it's in the froot?
There's no fuel tank?
How heavy is it?
How is it started?
How do low emissions zones work?
Who actually thought this'd be a good idea?

fantheman80

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Turbobanana said:
fantheman80 said:
Turbobanana said:
Exciting news: Horse has announced a new, bespoke solution for Vauxhall customers wishing to extend the range on their small hatchbacks.

The programme will be called Horses for Corsas.
clap

I am not sure if the orders will be good to firm or soft in places
No more cringe-worthy puns from me on this. I'll hand the reins over to you.
Yep off you trot, I am in the saddle now

(sorry everyone)


Evanivitch

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139 months

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ducnick said:
If we believe the ev evangelical and agree that for 99% of the time pure BEV is the ideal scenario, but you occasionally do long trips where recharging is an issue, eg a holiday to France, then how about a tow bar mounted box containing generator, fuel, cooling etc that can be fitted for those rare trips. These units would have to be non manufacturer specific so they could be fitted to any tow bar.
Instead of buying your own unit, you could rent one when needed. The rental company would deal with all the servicing issues.
I think that would be a good solution to the ev range issue.
With some jump cables to the HV system!? Not sure how you'd get away with that one...