Delete Emails - Save Water?
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I am not even shocked anymore at stuff like this 
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/uk-gove...

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/uk-gove...
The biggest problem I have with it is that freeing up space on servers hard drives will not make any difference in the cooling of the server. If anything, the CPU involved in people deleting stuff will increase CPU.
Secondly, I have been to most of the datacentres in the UK and they have all been air cooled.
We are govererned by idiots with no industry experience.
Secondly, I have been to most of the datacentres in the UK and they have all been air cooled.
We are govererned by idiots with no industry experience.
Wtf?
I assume these data centres are closed loop, like a car radiator?
Ie, they don’t just pump water through and down a drain
Utter f
king morons.
The fact they can even fall for this is disturbing. If in doubt say nothing.
Just reading, in dry environments open loop might be used because the extra humidity isn’t an issue.
Wtf, put it on a river. Or next to the sea.
Just evaporating off drinking water into the atmosphere does seem utterly bonkers, I’d hope we don’t do that in the UK, and if we do, what dips
t gave that the go ahead?
I assume these data centres are closed loop, like a car radiator?
Ie, they don’t just pump water through and down a drain

Utter f

The fact they can even fall for this is disturbing. If in doubt say nothing.
Just reading, in dry environments open loop might be used because the extra humidity isn’t an issue.
Wtf, put it on a river. Or next to the sea.
Just evaporating off drinking water into the atmosphere does seem utterly bonkers, I’d hope we don’t do that in the UK, and if we do, what dips

Edited by Mr Whippy on Thursday 14th August 15:17
Mr Whippy said:
Wtf?
I assume these data centres are closed loop, like a car radiator?
Ie, they don’t just pump water through and down a drain
Utter f
king morons.
If they are air conditioned then it's likely the chillers are cooled by water, and the water is cooled by evaporation in a cooling tower. In that case yes they are using water.I assume these data centres are closed loop, like a car radiator?
Ie, they don’t just pump water through and down a drain

Utter f

They could be also air cooled, but the few I've worked on have have been water/cooling tower
Edited to answer your edit
Mr Whippy said:
Just reading, in dry environments open loop might be used because the extra humidity isn’t an issue.
Wtf, put it on a river. Or next to the sea.
Just evaporating off drinking water into the atmosphere does seem utterly bonkers, I’d hope we don’t do that in the UK, and if we do, what dips
t gave that the go ahead?
Thats how a large proportion of industrial A/C works, not just data centres. Wtf, put it on a river. Or next to the sea.
Just evaporating off drinking water into the atmosphere does seem utterly bonkers, I’d hope we don’t do that in the UK, and if we do, what dips

Edited by Mr Whippy on Thursday 14th August 15:17
You can use river water (Shell Centre in London does) but that has its own issues. You're now having to deal with all sorts of debris running through your heat exchangers, and you're dumping additional heat into the river.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 14th August 17:17
andyb28 said:
I am not even shocked anymore at stuff like this 
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/uk-gove...
I can hear Justin Rowlatt in my head with his accusatory tone "Climate experts say..." 
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/uk-gove...
98elise said:
Mr Whippy said:
Wtf?
I assume these data centres are closed loop, like a car radiator?
Ie, they don’t just pump water through and down a drain
Utter f
king morons.
If they are air conditioned then it's likely the chillers are cooled by water, and the water is cooled by evaporation in a cooling tower. In that case yes they are using water.I assume these data centres are closed loop, like a car radiator?
Ie, they don’t just pump water through and down a drain

Utter f

They could be also air cooled, but the few I've worked on have have been water/cooling tower
Edited to answer your edit
Mr Whippy said:
Just reading, in dry environments open loop might be used because the extra humidity isn’t an issue.
Wtf, put it on a river. Or next to the sea.
Just evaporating off drinking water into the atmosphere does seem utterly bonkers, I’d hope we don’t do that in the UK, and if we do, what dips
t gave that the go ahead?
Thats how a large proportion of industrial A/C works, not just data centres. Wtf, put it on a river. Or next to the sea.
Just evaporating off drinking water into the atmosphere does seem utterly bonkers, I’d hope we don’t do that in the UK, and if we do, what dips

Edited by Mr Whippy on Thursday 14th August 15:17
You can use river water (Shell Centre in London does) but that has its own issues. You're now having to deal with all sorts of debris running through your heat exchangers, and you're dumping additional heat into the river.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 14th August 17:17
This won't end well if datacentres can't find closed loop systems (or just dump it all to air)
Oooor, get this, bit out-field, stop using AI constantly for it's largely garbage outputs, at huge energy cost.
Ie, random googling, AI answers, with a footnote, might be wrong. No s

https://spectrum.ieee.org/ai-misinformation-llm-bu...
The one thing which the Toms Hardware article didn't really do that well was to direct people to the press release:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-drough...
Maybe it was someone clever who thought they stick some outrage bait in there (and right at the end) so people will read the press release but reading through, it seems that it's pretty much long-term mismanagement which has resulted in water infrastructure which leaks like a sieve!
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-drough...
Maybe it was someone clever who thought they stick some outrage bait in there (and right at the end) so people will read the press release but reading through, it seems that it's pretty much long-term mismanagement which has resulted in water infrastructure which leaks like a sieve!
rodericb said:
The one thing which the Toms Hardware article didn't really do that well was to direct people to the press release:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-drough...
Maybe it was someone clever who thought they stick some outrage bait in there (and right at the end) so people will read the press release but reading through, it seems that it's pretty much long-term mismanagement which has resulted in water infrastructure which leaks like a sieve!
Reminds me of the Ricky Gervais safe sex leaflet. Its home time, they wanted 1 more for the list.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-drough...
Maybe it was someone clever who thought they stick some outrage bait in there (and right at the end) so people will read the press release but reading through, it seems that it's pretty much long-term mismanagement which has resulted in water infrastructure which leaks like a sieve!
I used to manage the install of adiabatic (water) air conditioning systems in data centers.
They work by wetting a large "pad" *basically a big sponge) and passing air over it to cool via evaporation.
The amount of water they use is astronomical, I remember BT really kicking off when they first realised.
DX or mechanical cooling is closed loop and better, but worse for the environment and more expensive.
Asking us to delete our emails to save water when systems like this exist, not to mention the amount of water that is currently leaking out of our out-dated sewers and water supplies is an absolute joke.
They work by wetting a large "pad" *basically a big sponge) and passing air over it to cool via evaporation.
The amount of water they use is astronomical, I remember BT really kicking off when they first realised.
DX or mechanical cooling is closed loop and better, but worse for the environment and more expensive.
Asking us to delete our emails to save water when systems like this exist, not to mention the amount of water that is currently leaking out of our out-dated sewers and water supplies is an absolute joke.
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