Marina fees
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dvshannow

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1,632 posts

152 months

Monday 4th August
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Hi

Does anyone have experience with how much typically a marina will offer for annual berthing ?

Looking for costs for a 44ft sailing boat in the Solent

Being quoted 10-14k per year as standard on a website inquiry


hidetheelephants

30,631 posts

209 months

Monday 4th August
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Solent is about the most expensive in the UK for mooring, although it depends where you're wanting to go; the convenient marinas nearest open water like on the Hamble generally charge a premium, whereas up the Itchen etc berths are cheaper.

OutInTheShed

11,671 posts

42 months

Monday 4th August
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Sounds about right.
44ft is starting to get into the premium rates, where you pay more per foot than say 33ft.

Anything 'walk ashore' in the Solent area is expensive.

dvshannow

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1,632 posts

152 months

Monday 4th August
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Thanks I was looking at Hamble or perhaps Chichester


Hard-Drive

4,209 posts

245 months

Wednesday 6th August
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dvshannow said:
Thanks I was looking at Hamble or perhaps Chichester
Not sure I'd keep a 44 in Chi. It's an absolutely lovely place to sail and a favourite destination of ours, however whilst I'd love to sail an I14 from Itchenor or have a small, shallow draft creek crawler there, a 44 is quite a big boat for Chi. I expect you're just going to get annoyed doing the same old trip out the harbour and out to West Pole, and usually turning right for the rest of the Solent. You've got tidal considerations at the Bar and also if you were looking at the enormous single-storey boat park that is Chi Marina, big tidal considerations there too.

Hamble will be very expensive although the location is good.

If you were prepared to go for a swinging mooring you might be amazed at the cost difference. Several sailing clubs have moorings at a fraction of the cost...I keep my 34 on a swinging mooring in Portsmouth harbour for under £250. And that's £250 a year, not a month.

If you are set on a marina, have a look at Gosport or Haslar. OK so not the nicest location ashore, but just so very convenient, 10 mins after slipping lines you are in the Solent regardless of the tide, and able to turn left or right.

hidetheelephants

30,631 posts

209 months

Wednesday 6th August
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Are there not waiting lists for moorings long enough that geological time is an appropriate measure?

Castrol for a knave

6,187 posts

107 months

Wednesday 6th August
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What Hard Drive said.

The Hamble is the most expensive in the UK (ask me how I know)

Whilst not rocking the full Howard's Way, Gosport and Haslar are cheaper and well run marinas. 5 minutes down the Swashway and you are into the Solent. I think the rate is about £720 per metre LOA whereas Hamble Point and Port Hamble are about £850 to £1,000. Universal is about the same.

I would agree- Chichester is stunning but might be a faff if you draw a reasonable depth and the lock is likewise a faff.


Shnozz

29,173 posts

287 months

Wednesday 6th August
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Piggy backing on this thread as looking at a house with a 10m mooring in Ocean Village.

Any idea on potential yield as I am unlikely to have any need for it. Might help offset what seems like an outrageous service charge on the property....

Arnold Cunningham

4,305 posts

269 months

Wednesday 6th August
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I’ve heard that harbour mooring on the itchen are a lot cheaper and do occasionally come available. Otherwise a deep water mooring in either Langstone or Chichester harbour, with a berth for a small harbour launch in the marina might be worth considering (I have a friend who does this).

Another friend bought a property in Port Solent just for the mooring. The rent from the property covers itself and he gets a free mooring.

Riff Raff

5,376 posts

211 months

Wednesday 6th August
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Arnold Cunningham said:
I ve heard that harbour mooring on the itchen are a lot cheaper and do occasionally come available. Otherwise a deep water mooring in either Langstone or Chichester harbour, with a berth for a small harbour launch in the marina might be worth considering (I have a friend who does this).

Another friend bought a property in Port Solent just for the mooring. The rent from the property covers itself and he gets a free mooring.
You have to lock in and out of Port Solent though, which is a faff per se, but more so if you sail short handed.

We had our boat in Haslar for most of the time we had it, which was a doddle to get in and out of with just two people, and is mostly quite sheltered compared with Gosport Marina, which we found could be a bit 'bouncy', depending on what the weather was doing.

Either though are OK for a night out - hop on the ferry over to Portsmouth and a short stroll to Gunwharf Quays.

Arnold Cunningham

4,305 posts

269 months

Wednesday 6th August
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BTW, The Haslar Lightship is back under the original owners and really good again.

I agree with your point about Port Solent. I boat from the top of the itchen and just the distance to get onto Southampton water, let alone the Solent, can be a bit of a drag, and that’s without locks.

ecsrobin

18,267 posts

181 months

Wednesday 6th August
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Arnold Cunningham said:
BTW, The Haslar Lightship is back under the original owners and really good again.
When did it change? Family went there about 3 weeks ago and said avoid as the service was so bad.

Hard-Drive

4,209 posts

245 months

Wednesday 6th August
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Port Solent is a faff. A long, circuitous slog to get out the harbour, a busy waiting pontoon, a lock, and noisy bars. I can't help but think a lot of the marinas are much better suited to the types who want to go and sit on their boats at the weekend rather than use them.

(Says he who lives in the East Midlands and actually rarely gets to the boat in first place!)

OutInTheShed

11,671 posts

42 months

Wednesday 6th August
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People with 44ft boats vary from serious high budget racers needing lots of facilities and parking for 12 crew, heading for the Squadron Line twice a week, to cruising couples on a budget who park up for months then go sailing for weeks at a time.

Different places serve these various people.
Time to the racing start lines and the open sea end to be priced in, as do facilities like good showers, unlimited parking, on-site services.

Also the market for bigger boat facilities is influenced by many boats being charter/sailing school/consortium rather than one owner paying the bill.
If you're pimping your boat out to clients, you have to pay to keep it where they want to pick it up from, not some cheap place up a creek.

Last time I looked, one of the cheaper places was Cowes, but you tend to pay more to get a crew of 10 to the yacht from England, almost as bad as berthing in France.

Audis5b9

1,212 posts

88 months

Friday 8th August
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Shnozz said:
Piggy backing on this thread as looking at a house with a 10m mooring in Ocean Village.

Any idea on potential yield as I am unlikely to have any need for it. Might help offset what seems like an outrageous service charge on the property....
The current rate in OV for a 10m berth through MDL is £7724 so you will likely need to be 20% below this to find someone to take it.

So £5-6k seems do-able.

Arnold Cunningham

4,305 posts

269 months

Friday 8th August
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ecsrobin said:
When did it change? Family went there about 3 weeks ago and said avoid as the service was so bad.
That was pretty much first day of the changeover with all new staff, IIRC. So I'd say give them another chance.
In my case, the food was great and the staff were both efficient & friendly.


Arnold Cunningham

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269 months

Friday 8th August
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Audis5b9 said:
The current rate in OV for a 10m berth through MDL is £7724 so you will likely need to be 20% below this to find someone to take it.

So £5-6k seems do-able.
With one caveat. Was chatting with a mate in the industry recently and he reckoned he'd never seen so many sellers and so few buyers of boats.

Personally, I think most marinas want the land and can't wait for the marina to prove itself "unviable" so they can knock all the marina facilities down and just turn it into waterside housing. But I might be being a bit cynical.

Shnozz

29,173 posts

287 months

Friday 8th August
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Audis5b9 said:
The current rate in OV for a 10m berth through MDL is £7724 so you will likely need to be 20% below this to find someone to take it.

So £5-6k seems do-able.
Thanks. Very useful. That would be a nice offset of the service charges.

Audis5b9

1,212 posts

88 months

Friday 8th August
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Arnold Cunningham said:
With one caveat. Was chatting with a mate in the industry recently and he reckoned he'd never seen so many sellers and so few buyers of boats.

Personally, I think most marinas want the land and can't wait for the marina to prove itself "unviable" so they can knock all the marina facilities down and just turn it into waterside housing. But I might be being a bit cynical.
I am in the industry (yacht broker). It's not bad news for all brokers, I've already beaten last years figures with 5 month spare.

You have to remember the boats don't vanish when they are sold, they still need to be kept somewhere.

Huntsman

8,811 posts

266 months

Sunday 10th August
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I know of an empty 14mtr mooribg at Hamble Point that can be sublet.