RNLI defending rescuing people from drowning

[krisdelta]

I am left to wonder sometimes if what we really need is a giant space rock to reset things..

RNLI defending rescuing people from the sea. Because obviously the RNLI is the problem, not the hostile government policy that's created this problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dejyg4l37o

[bitchstewie]

It's the politicisation of everything plus an increasing cohort who will abuse or criticise brave people like this simply for doing their jobs.

[Gecko1978]

bhstewie said:

It's the politicisation of everything plus an increasing cohort who will abuse or criticise brave people like this simply for doing their jobs.

100% the RNLI would not be fit for purpose if it picked an chose who it rescued.

The issue with small boats if smuggling gangs an letting them leave France etc not rescuing growing people at sea

[Arrivalist]

The article never mentions where these accusations come from.

I can only imagine that it’s a non story blown out of proportion because you’d have to be a mindless moron to accuse the RNLI of anything negative. They are probably the only charity I’m happy to give money to.

[Ashfordian]

They should continue to rescue but recover who they rescue to France. That removes the political element and any accusations of them being a taxi service.

I'm sure them being part of this taxi service has impacted their donations so there is very likely an underlying PR approach to this article

[oddman]

bhstewie said:

It's the politicisation of everything plus an increasing cohort who will abuse or criticise brave people like this simply for doing their jobs.

Not even their jobs TBH. They're volunteers.

[stuckmojo]

Isn't their mission to "save lives at sea"?

[Zetec-S]

Ashfordian said:

They should continue to rescue but recover who they rescue to France. That removes the political element and any accusations of them being a taxi service.

I'm sure them being part of this taxi service has impacted their donations so there is very likely an underlying PR approach to this article

How would that work? Rescue people off the English coast, ask for confirmation of ID before determining where to take them. And if they can't prove their "Britishness" then taxi them all the way back across the channel and dump them on a beach? What if they need medical attention? What if it's bad weather? Are the RNLI now supposed to liaise with French authorities?

It's their (voluntary) role to save lives at sea. Don't politicise it.

[blueg33]

Arrivalist said:

The article never mentions where these accusations come from.

I can only imagine that it s a non story blown out of proportion because you d have to be a mindless moron to accuse the RNLI of anything negative. They are probably the only charity I m happy to give money to.

This mindless moron comes to mind

[bitchstewie]

oddman said:

Not even their jobs TBH. They're volunteers.

Job, role, volunteer.

Whatever you call it if people are criticising them for saving people from drowning they need to have a look at themselves and have a little think where it all went wrong to turn them into that person.

[blueg33]

Ashfordian said:

They should continue to rescue but recover who they rescue to France. That removes the political element and any accusations of them being a taxi service.

I'm sure them being part of this taxi service has impacted their donations so there is very likely an underlying PR approach to this article

Yes their donations went up after Farage made the dumb taxi service statement.

To be honest, I am amazed that people are still on that particular page of dumb.

Edited by blueg33 on Tuesday 29th July 09:08

[Hungrymc]

Zetec-S said:

How would that work? Rescue people off the English coast, ask for confirmation of ID before determining where to take them. And if they can't prove their "Britishness" then taxi them all the way back across the channel and dump them on a beach? What if they need medical attention? What if it's bad weather? Are the RNLI now supposed to liaise with French authorities?

It's their (voluntary) role to save lives at sea. Don't politicise it.

This is all true, and I think people are rescued to the territory of the waters they are rescued in. RNLI have no choice.

But it’s still also true that those rules, and hence this charitable body that are operating within them are being used by the gangs orchestrating these crossings. That is awkward for everyone.

[Ashfordian]

Zetec-S said:

How would that work? Rescue people off the English coast, ask for confirmation of ID before determining where to take them. And if they can't prove their "Britishness" then taxi them all the way back across the channel and dump them on a beach? What if they need medical attention? What if it's bad weather? Are the RNLI now supposed to liaise with French authorities?

It's their (voluntary) role to save lives at sea. Don't politicise it.

Some of your questions show me you know little about these rescues, their locations, etc.

Why do you think the volunteers are stupid? From their experience alone they will know who they are rescuing, especially when they will be performing the rescue in the middle of the channel and not on the coast as you stupidly believe.

The RNLI's funding comes disproportionately from coastal communities, with those communities on the south coast seeing and feeling the effects of the migrant invasion so is doesn't take many to vote with their wallets before effects are felt! That makes this issue is political and you cannot put your head in the sand and ignore that.

And on the French, surely they are not going to turn away vulnerable people who have just been rescued from the sea and their death. Oh yeah, if they really cared about the lives of these people they would prevent the boats from leaving altogether.

[Baroque attacks]

Didn’t take long did it.

[ATG]

Ashfordian said:

Zetec-S said:

How would that work? Rescue people off the English coast, ask for confirmation of ID before determining where to take them. And if they can't prove their "Britishness" then taxi them all the way back across the channel and dump them on a beach? What if they need medical attention? What if it's bad weather? Are the RNLI now supposed to liaise with French authorities?

It's their (voluntary) role to save lives at sea. Don't politicise it.

Some of your questions show me you know little about these rescues, their locations, etc.

Why do you think the volunteers are stupid? From their experience alone they will know who they are rescuing, especially when they will be performing the rescue in the middle of the channel and not on the coast as you stupidly believe.

The RNLI's funding comes disproportionately from coastal communities, with those communities on the south coast seeing and feeling the effects of the migrant invasion so is doesn't take many to vote with their wallets before effects are felt! That makes this issue is political and you cannot put your head in the sand and ignore that.

And on the French, surely they are not going to turn away vulnerable people who have just been rescued from the sea and their death. Oh yeah, if they really cared about the lives of these people they would prevent the boats from leaving altogether.

Ashfordian ... when people called Farage's taxi service comment stupid, what they really mean was that Farage's comment was cynical because he's bright enough to know that the comment was stupid, but he's clever enough to know that his target audience would believe it anyway.

[Zetec-S]

Ashfordian said:

Some of your questions show me you know little about these rescues, their locations, etc.

Why do you think the volunteers are stupid? From their experience alone they will know who they are rescuing, especially when they will be performing the rescue in the middle of the channel and not on the coast as you stupidly believe.

The RNLI's funding comes disproportionately from coastal communities, with those communities on the south coast seeing and feeling the effects of the migrant invasion so is doesn't take many to vote with their wallets before effects are felt! That makes this issue is political and you cannot put your head in the sand and ignore that.

And on the French, surely they are not going to turn away vulnerable people who have just been rescued from the sea and their death. Oh yeah, if they really cared about the lives of these people they would prevent the boats from leaving altogether.

I'm well aware that they aren't rescuing people 50 yards off Brighton beach. I'm also well aware the volunteers aren't stupid. I just don't think it's practical or realistic for the RNLI to be determining where to return after a rescue based on the immigration status of those they've just rescued. I don't think that should be difficult to comprehend, surely?

[Arrivalist]

Baroque attacks said:

Didn t take long did it.

Never does, unfortunately.

[Ashfordian]

ATG said:

Ashfordian ... when people called Farage's taxi service comment stupid, what they really mean was that Farage's comment was cynical because he's bright enough to know that the comment was stupid, but he's clever enough to know that his target audience would believe it anyway.

Since his comment a number of years ago this has been occurring on average every third day for the benefit of the smuggling gangs.

That regularity over that length of time certainly does make it more of a taxi service than rescues.

Let me guess who critiicised Farage, those who don't like him and his politics. Hardly an impartial bunch those lot who live in their ivory towers well away from the affected areas!

[Vanden Saab]

Zetec-S said:

Ashfordian said:

They should continue to rescue but recover who they rescue to France. That removes the political element and any accusations of them being a taxi service.

I'm sure them being part of this taxi service has impacted their donations so there is very likely an underlying PR approach to this article

How would that work? Rescue people off the English coast, ask for confirmation of ID before determining where to take them. And if they can't prove their "Britishness" then taxi them all the way back across the channel and dump them on a beach? What if they need medical attention? What if it's bad weather? Are the RNLI now supposed to liaise with French authorities?

It's their (voluntary) role to save lives at sea. Don't politicise it.

It is already political. The RNLI take their instructions from the coastguard who are part of the JMSC.







If the coastguard instructed the RNLI to take them to France that is what they would do. I do not blame the RNLI in any way.
The question should be why the French equivalent of the RNLI seem not to be using any of their 155 boats to pick them up but expect the RNLI to do it for them.. I am sure that isn't political either...

[Ashfordian]

Zetec-S said:

I'm well aware that they aren't rescuing people 50 yards off Brighton beach. I'm also well aware the volunteers aren't stupid. I just don't think it's practical or realistic for the RNLI to be determining where to return after a rescue based on the immigration status of those they've just rescued. I don't think that should be difficult to comprehend, surely?

If the RNLI were taking these rescues to France they would be lauded for the continued important volunteer service that they provide. There would be no criticism.

However to think after years of performing in effect a taxi service every third dayto this criminality, the criticism is only grow louder and they will vote with their wallets regarding the support they give.

It's an easy fix and that is to stop this at source but there is no poIitical will from the French to do this. More will needlessly die because of this simple fact!