2019+ Vantage: expert advice needed!
Discussion
Hi everyone, I m back! Some of you might remember me from a few years ago I had a Vantage N420 that I used to drive around France and Italy and was very active on here.
I still own the car and love it, but took a (long) break from posting for reasons I won t bore you with.
Now I m thinking of switching to a 2019+ Vantage and could really use your expert advice on a few things.
But what s the deal with the bonnet top vents, that I like? Most cars don t seem to have them, but some do. Were they introduced in a specific year?
Thanks so much for your help I m trying to learn as much as I can before making an informed decision, so any input is truly appreciated!
I still own the car and love it, but took a (long) break from posting for reasons I won t bore you with.
Now I m thinking of switching to a 2019+ Vantage and could really use your expert advice on a few things.
- Clear rear lights: were these a standard or optional feature from the start? I see far more cars with red lights, unlike the Gaydon-era Vantage. I m guessing retrofitting clear ones could be very expensive and not worth it.
- 360° camera: was this standard or option?
- Apple CarPlay: from which year (if any) did it become standard? Can it be added officially by Aston Martin, or only through third-party modules?
- Shark grille: personally, I quite like the original shark mouth not a big fan of the below facelift with the slanted grille, so that works in my favour.
But what s the deal with the bonnet top vents, that I like? Most cars don t seem to have them, but some do. Were they introduced in a specific year?
- Exhaust: As far as I can tell, the standard exhaust is plenty loud. Is it really worth hunting for one with the quad-pipe setup? I ve noticed that lately I prefer a quieter cabin some say this is just getting old!
- Must-have options: what would you consider essential? Basically, what should have been there from factory or a very cool extra.
- Known issues: anything specific I should watch out for and check?
- Model Year changes: can someone provide a breakdown of key updates by model year? For example, I believe the slanted grille became a no-cost option in 2021, from 2022 heated/ventilated seats are standard (not sure about this) etc.
Thanks so much for your help I m trying to learn as much as I can before making an informed decision, so any input is truly appreciated!
Edited by EVR on Wednesday 23 July 09:29
2021 Roadster here, in the UK.
Yes, the grey rear lights were an option and will no doubt be expensive to retrofit.
Personal choice, but I think they look a bit meh - similar to Audi sequential indicators.
It s difficult to be sure for different markets but I think the 360 degree cameras were standard.
CarPlay was never standard on this AM6 model - it can be dealer retro-fit but is quite expensive now.
A good independent would be able to fit the IDCore device (2nd generation now I think) that Aston use, or others.
Likewise if the car you go for doesn t have the tracker option.
Yes, if you like the shark mouth (or trout pout!) then you have a better selection of the early cars to choose from.
The bonnet vents were an option - I dare say you could retro-fit them with a good dose of bravery and a steady hand.
When moving they don t do a lot, but at destination they will vent the hot air better / allow rain to enter the underbonnet and fusebox area.
An alternative after a spirited drive would be to just lift the bonnet for a few minutes.
The change from the peashooter to quad exhaust is purely the exhaust tips, so there will be no discernible difference in noise.
Companies such as Velocity AP sell conversions - at a price - and you also need the 4 tip perforated metal sections from Aston.
It s a bumper off job.
In the UK 2020 onwards have the petrol particulate filters, which really dampen down the sound.
I think you ll struggle to find the car you want - colour, grille, interior, options, without a small compromise somewhere.
Options that I m happy to have are the heated steering wheel (Roadster), duo tone interior, vane grille, 16 way Sports+ seats.
Options I would have liked are the premium sound system (the standard system is quite poor quality speakers and amp, but the wiring harness is specific to it, making it difficult to upgrade), ventilated seats (although mine have the perforated option), and perhaps a flat bottom steering wheel (as long as it was still heated).
In terms of issues, ones I ve heard of are split washer bottles, failing door modules, water ingress down the ignition coil packs - there was a design change for this incorporating a 2nd o-ring seal on the neck of the tube to the spark plug.
Being Merc based technology these cars are generally pretty reliable. It also means you can pick up some spares such as wiper blades and a pollen filter cheaply, and search online for how to change it in the passenger footwell - assuming you don t have a passenger knee airbag
I m not sure if the ventilated seats ever became standard, and other than the grill change from hunter to vaned, I don t think there were any other changes either.
I hope this helps a little and do update us on your search and eventual purchase.
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Yes, the grey rear lights were an option and will no doubt be expensive to retrofit.
Personal choice, but I think they look a bit meh - similar to Audi sequential indicators.
It s difficult to be sure for different markets but I think the 360 degree cameras were standard.
CarPlay was never standard on this AM6 model - it can be dealer retro-fit but is quite expensive now.
A good independent would be able to fit the IDCore device (2nd generation now I think) that Aston use, or others.
Likewise if the car you go for doesn t have the tracker option.
Yes, if you like the shark mouth (or trout pout!) then you have a better selection of the early cars to choose from.
The bonnet vents were an option - I dare say you could retro-fit them with a good dose of bravery and a steady hand.
When moving they don t do a lot, but at destination they will vent the hot air better / allow rain to enter the underbonnet and fusebox area.
An alternative after a spirited drive would be to just lift the bonnet for a few minutes.
The change from the peashooter to quad exhaust is purely the exhaust tips, so there will be no discernible difference in noise.
Companies such as Velocity AP sell conversions - at a price - and you also need the 4 tip perforated metal sections from Aston.
It s a bumper off job.
In the UK 2020 onwards have the petrol particulate filters, which really dampen down the sound.
I think you ll struggle to find the car you want - colour, grille, interior, options, without a small compromise somewhere.
Options that I m happy to have are the heated steering wheel (Roadster), duo tone interior, vane grille, 16 way Sports+ seats.
Options I would have liked are the premium sound system (the standard system is quite poor quality speakers and amp, but the wiring harness is specific to it, making it difficult to upgrade), ventilated seats (although mine have the perforated option), and perhaps a flat bottom steering wheel (as long as it was still heated).
In terms of issues, ones I ve heard of are split washer bottles, failing door modules, water ingress down the ignition coil packs - there was a design change for this incorporating a 2nd o-ring seal on the neck of the tube to the spark plug.
Being Merc based technology these cars are generally pretty reliable. It also means you can pick up some spares such as wiper blades and a pollen filter cheaply, and search online for how to change it in the passenger footwell - assuming you don t have a passenger knee airbag
I m not sure if the ventilated seats ever became standard, and other than the grill change from hunter to vaned, I don t think there were any other changes either.
I hope this helps a little and do update us on your search and eventual purchase.
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Edited by V8 Minotaur on Tuesday 22 July 12:42
EVR said:
Thanks so much for your help I m trying to learn as much as I can before making an informed decision, so any input is truly appreciated!
I bought one from new in September 2019 to replace my V12S as such and to use as a daily - deal at the time was too good to pass up although I sold it after 12 months or so as Covid kicked in and I ended up working from home and had other cars also.To answer your points as best as I can remember or having looked at the spec sheet.
Rear lights were what was called smoked as opposed to clear and were a £ 495 option.
Rear camera was standard.
Can't recall if mine had car play but don't think it did - Aston Installations is the often go to answer -I wasn't too bothered about this either way.
No issue with the grill and kept it like that.
Mine had the black hood mesh option -£995.
Mine was quad piped but they always looked far too weedy for the car.Noise in sport was decent enough but I would never really describe it as either obtrusive or too loud inside.However in fairness I compare that to my GT8 which anything else sounds quiet inside !
Options on mine included Sports Plus pack , premium audio , black bodypack , rear diffuser body coloured , alcantara interior ,exterior black pack ,matte black perforated side gills , and 20 inch forged wheels.Paint was a Q special -Elwood Blue.
Oh and the wings embroidered on the seats -
Only thing that needed a visit to the Dealer was the drive plate damper ( ZBC ) needing realignment.
I've had 4 911's but all of the 997.1/2 variety and all coupe so not much help on that.
If it helps the buying and speccing process via Aston was a far nicer experience though.
Any other specifics shout and hopefully my memory will work !
Yes, some of the packs are a bit obscure…
The Comfort pack was 16-way adjustable seats (ask the dealer to explain 16 ways and watch him bluster!) and centre storage.
The Black pack was for the spoiler, front splitters, side sills, rear spoiler, and definitely looks better than the grey standard finish.
The Tech pack included the touch pad amongst other items - I think it looks better with it but I rarely use it, as the wheel is more intuitive.
I’m also not a fan of carbon fibre on these cars - they are rapid GTs but not track cars and certainly not lightweight.
The F1 edition got some really good suspension and chassis tweaks but, especially as a Roadster, I think the rear spoiler literally spoils it.
It was a delete option but I’ve never seen one without it.
I would highly recommend that you get the front end (bonnet, bumper, front wings, A frame, door mirrors) PPF wrapped and the doors back (and side and rear windows) high quality ceramic coated. Also get the small piece of factory PPF on the rear wings replaced with a larger piece that comes up to the swage line on the doors. They do seem to pick up road rash quite a bit and the side wing vents sling tiny pieces of grit out too - you might want to add some fine mesh inside the wheel arch to prevent that. Grit that has caught in the bottom of the vents can be flicked out with a wooden bbq skewer, towards the front of the car, whilst gently pushing the vent slightly away from the bodywork.
Brake pads are an obscene price from Aston so I would recommend Porterfield R4-S from David Appleby - I have a set ready to fit but have decided to let the existing ones wear the sacrificial indicator out first, to get maximum value from them - although I’m certainly looking forward to less brake dust on the wheels.
The ECU tune is tempting, but I find 500+ bhp adequate for road driving and don’t want to get pushed into a very few insurance companies to choose from.
The tapered springs apparently give a more compliant ride, but as they also lower the car 3/4” that’s put me off, with the current state of our roads. I’ve driven 7 hour days into Europe and, with the Sports+ 16-way seats I find the comfort to be excellent. This is another reason I shied away from an F1 Edition, as they all run on 21” wheels, with the associated slight loss of compliance / comfort - especially as this is my daily drive.
Lastly one little tip is that when in reverse you can set the LH mirror down to show the kerb / rear wheel and it will remember it next time - then if you don’t want it to dip just move the mirror selector to the RH mirror.
The Comfort pack was 16-way adjustable seats (ask the dealer to explain 16 ways and watch him bluster!) and centre storage.
The Black pack was for the spoiler, front splitters, side sills, rear spoiler, and definitely looks better than the grey standard finish.
The Tech pack included the touch pad amongst other items - I think it looks better with it but I rarely use it, as the wheel is more intuitive.
I’m also not a fan of carbon fibre on these cars - they are rapid GTs but not track cars and certainly not lightweight.
The F1 edition got some really good suspension and chassis tweaks but, especially as a Roadster, I think the rear spoiler literally spoils it.
It was a delete option but I’ve never seen one without it.
I would highly recommend that you get the front end (bonnet, bumper, front wings, A frame, door mirrors) PPF wrapped and the doors back (and side and rear windows) high quality ceramic coated. Also get the small piece of factory PPF on the rear wings replaced with a larger piece that comes up to the swage line on the doors. They do seem to pick up road rash quite a bit and the side wing vents sling tiny pieces of grit out too - you might want to add some fine mesh inside the wheel arch to prevent that. Grit that has caught in the bottom of the vents can be flicked out with a wooden bbq skewer, towards the front of the car, whilst gently pushing the vent slightly away from the bodywork.
Brake pads are an obscene price from Aston so I would recommend Porterfield R4-S from David Appleby - I have a set ready to fit but have decided to let the existing ones wear the sacrificial indicator out first, to get maximum value from them - although I’m certainly looking forward to less brake dust on the wheels.
The ECU tune is tempting, but I find 500+ bhp adequate for road driving and don’t want to get pushed into a very few insurance companies to choose from.
The tapered springs apparently give a more compliant ride, but as they also lower the car 3/4” that’s put me off, with the current state of our roads. I’ve driven 7 hour days into Europe and, with the Sports+ 16-way seats I find the comfort to be excellent. This is another reason I shied away from an F1 Edition, as they all run on 21” wheels, with the associated slight loss of compliance / comfort - especially as this is my daily drive.
Lastly one little tip is that when in reverse you can set the LH mirror down to show the kerb / rear wheel and it will remember it next time - then if you don’t want it to dip just move the mirror selector to the RH mirror.
Last thoughts!
Locking the car gives 3 indicator flashes - but it you double press the lock button on the remote (not too quickly) you will see 4 flashes which means the keyless system has turned off - something I always do. And if you’re too far from the car just hold the key to your head - try it!
If you’re driving along with a window open and come to a bonfire holding the recirculating button will also close the windows - and when you cancel they will open to the previous position, which I think is a pretty neat thought from someone - although maybe originally from Merc?
You can download and read through the owners guide here…. https://www.astonmartin.com/en/owners/owners-guide...
Oh, and Minotaur Green is a nice colour too.
9 UK Roadsters in this colour, but only 1 with the duo tone interior…
Locking the car gives 3 indicator flashes - but it you double press the lock button on the remote (not too quickly) you will see 4 flashes which means the keyless system has turned off - something I always do. And if you’re too far from the car just hold the key to your head - try it!
If you’re driving along with a window open and come to a bonfire holding the recirculating button will also close the windows - and when you cancel they will open to the previous position, which I think is a pretty neat thought from someone - although maybe originally from Merc?
You can download and read through the owners guide here…. https://www.astonmartin.com/en/owners/owners-guide...
Oh, and Minotaur Green is a nice colour too.
9 UK Roadsters in this colour, but only 1 with the duo tone interior…
Thanks so much for this valuable insight!
It looks like my only real option for CarPlay is going with a third-party module. I'm usually not a fan of modifying things like this, but it does seem relatively non-invasive. I have watched a couple tutorials and my main concern now is placement; does anyone know which module is the most compact and up-to-date? I see several vendors out there.
As for the search for the perfect car yes, some compromises will likely be necessary. Colour is very important of course. I am tempted to go for something more vibrant than my Quantum Silver N420 (your Elwood Blue Alscar is stunning, by the way). I am also drawn to China Grey, and I've always wanted a green car (possibly over tan interior) yours Minotaur really stands out in that regard.
Interior-wise, I am hoping for something a bit more unique than Obsidian Black. Even just some colourful contrast stitching would make a difference. Oddly enough, I find myself attracted to the full Alcantara option. I know it's the base choice over leather, but I find it incredibly sporty and different. That said, I imagine it's a nightmare to keep clean and might wear badly; any thoughts?
For wheels, I am very into the forged matte designs. Not so keen on the turbine ones (pictured in my first post), they feel a bit too DB11-esque. Also, not too much of a fan of those that are a modern evolution of my N420 wheels (pictured below). Most other designs I am good with.
Same goes for the clear lights I like them, but I wouldn't pass on a great car just because of them, especially since they can be retrofitted. Premium Audio is nice to have, but not essential. Same with the 16-way comfort seats I'd prefer the sport seats, but I'm open.
Very interesting to learn the quad exhaust tips are purely cosmetic, I had assumed they indicated a different exhaust (Sport vs. Normal).
At least this model isn't as fragmented in terms of engines, gearboxes, or suspension setups no 4.3 vs 4.7 dilemma, S/non S, no Sport Pack, SportShift, or manual transmission choices (aside from the rare manual, which I m not after anyway) and fewer limited editions compared to the Gaydon-era cars. I see there is an AMR version (limited to 200 cars possibly), but I don't think it will suit my use case. Same goes for the F1, not much of a fan of the aggressive aero.
This won't be a pure daily driver, but I am looking for something more liveable. My biggest frustration with the N420 is the transmission, it's really starting to wear on me in normal traffic. How is the car as a semi/full daily?
And how was the transition from the V12S Alscar?
Thanks again, Minotaur, for all the helpful tips especially that recirculation button trick. Genuinely clever!
I will buy the car in France, so prices will be a bit steeper than UK & US unfortunately. I am considering to sell my N420 privately which of course will bring back better results but more hassle. Next week I will be down to Aston Martin Cannes to see what they have in stock and what kind of deal they can come up with. I believe with the new 2025 model, they will have many 2019 to 2024 coming back.
So far, I have eyed this one, it has been for sale for a while, in a region in France where performance cars are not very common like the Riviera. Any comments?
Will of course report back on my search, in the meantime any more advice is appreciated!
It looks like my only real option for CarPlay is going with a third-party module. I'm usually not a fan of modifying things like this, but it does seem relatively non-invasive. I have watched a couple tutorials and my main concern now is placement; does anyone know which module is the most compact and up-to-date? I see several vendors out there.
As for the search for the perfect car yes, some compromises will likely be necessary. Colour is very important of course. I am tempted to go for something more vibrant than my Quantum Silver N420 (your Elwood Blue Alscar is stunning, by the way). I am also drawn to China Grey, and I've always wanted a green car (possibly over tan interior) yours Minotaur really stands out in that regard.
Interior-wise, I am hoping for something a bit more unique than Obsidian Black. Even just some colourful contrast stitching would make a difference. Oddly enough, I find myself attracted to the full Alcantara option. I know it's the base choice over leather, but I find it incredibly sporty and different. That said, I imagine it's a nightmare to keep clean and might wear badly; any thoughts?
For wheels, I am very into the forged matte designs. Not so keen on the turbine ones (pictured in my first post), they feel a bit too DB11-esque. Also, not too much of a fan of those that are a modern evolution of my N420 wheels (pictured below). Most other designs I am good with.
Same goes for the clear lights I like them, but I wouldn't pass on a great car just because of them, especially since they can be retrofitted. Premium Audio is nice to have, but not essential. Same with the 16-way comfort seats I'd prefer the sport seats, but I'm open.
Very interesting to learn the quad exhaust tips are purely cosmetic, I had assumed they indicated a different exhaust (Sport vs. Normal).
At least this model isn't as fragmented in terms of engines, gearboxes, or suspension setups no 4.3 vs 4.7 dilemma, S/non S, no Sport Pack, SportShift, or manual transmission choices (aside from the rare manual, which I m not after anyway) and fewer limited editions compared to the Gaydon-era cars. I see there is an AMR version (limited to 200 cars possibly), but I don't think it will suit my use case. Same goes for the F1, not much of a fan of the aggressive aero.
This won't be a pure daily driver, but I am looking for something more liveable. My biggest frustration with the N420 is the transmission, it's really starting to wear on me in normal traffic. How is the car as a semi/full daily?
And how was the transition from the V12S Alscar?
Thanks again, Minotaur, for all the helpful tips especially that recirculation button trick. Genuinely clever!
I will buy the car in France, so prices will be a bit steeper than UK & US unfortunately. I am considering to sell my N420 privately which of course will bring back better results but more hassle. Next week I will be down to Aston Martin Cannes to see what they have in stock and what kind of deal they can come up with. I believe with the new 2025 model, they will have many 2019 to 2024 coming back.
So far, I have eyed this one, it has been for sale for a while, in a region in France where performance cars are not very common like the Riviera. Any comments?
Will of course report back on my search, in the meantime any more advice is appreciated!
Edited by EVR on Wednesday 23 July 09:49
- leaking transmission cooler cover (dripping from the rear diffusor)
- squaking brakes (change to porterfield pads)
- water entry coil covers (replaceing with optimized newer AMG parts)
In my opinion, leaking transmission cooler cover, this is a design flaw. An aluminum body with a seal and then a plastic cover. Thermal stress due to expansion and contraction of the seal with different materials.
- squaking brakes (change to porterfield pads)
- water entry coil covers (replaceing with optimized newer AMG parts)
In my opinion, leaking transmission cooler cover, this is a design flaw. An aluminum body with a seal and then a plastic cover. Thermal stress due to expansion and contraction of the seal with different materials.
Edited by RoNNy379CH on Wednesday 23 July 09:43
FWIW - I've had 2021 roadster for 18 months or so. Previously had a 991.1 C2S cab (amongst others) and am far happier in the Aston. It's not perfect though - tech is somewhat old (satnav works but feels very 90s) and I really don't get why it doesn't have a glovebox. Mine is black over black with Alcantara and lots of carbon. I have the vaned grill (that was a must for me, as was quad exhaust) as well as smoked lights, vented bonnet, 16 way seats, premium audio and carbon gills. The original spec was silver wheels, but these were subsequently painted satin black by previous owner - not something I would have done but I'm quite used to it now. It also came with 5 year service pack which is helpful. It has had a new radiator pack installed and the satnav screen replaced - all under warranty. It's due it's next service in August - hopefully they'll not uncover anything chargable. I tend to drive in sport+ most of the time - it's a bit annoying that it always defaults to sport - but then I habitually turn off the start-stop on all my cars so now routine.
Whilst it's not achingly beautiful like the previous Vantage, I do still look back at it after parking, it's still quite a looker IMO.
Whilst it's not achingly beautiful like the previous Vantage, I do still look back at it after parking, it's still quite a looker IMO.
bridggar1 said:
FWIW - I've had 2021 roadster for 18 months or so. Previously had a 991.1 C2S cab (amongst others) and am far happier in the Aston. It's not perfect though - tech is somewhat old (satnav works but feels very 90s) and I really don't get why it doesn't have a glovebox. Mine is black over black with Alcantara and lots of carbon. I have the vaned grill (that was a must for me, as was quad exhaust) as well as smoked lights, vented bonnet, 16 way seats, premium audio and carbon gills. The original spec was silver wheels, but these were subsequently painted satin black by previous owner - not something I would have done but I'm quite used to it now. It also came with 5 year service pack which is helpful. It has had a new radiator pack installed and the satnav screen replaced - all under warranty. It's due its next service in August - hopefully they'll not uncover anything chargable. I tend to drive in sport+ most of the time - it's a bit annoying that it always defaults to sport - but then I habitually turn off the start-stop on all my cars so now routine.
Whilst it's not achingly beautiful like the previous Vantage, I do still look back at it after parking, it's still quite a looker IMO.
Absolutely menacing spec thanks so much for your help!Whilst it's not achingly beautiful like the previous Vantage, I do still look back at it after parking, it's still quite a looker IMO.
Yes, the outdated infotainment and lack of factory CarPlay are a bit of a letdown. That said, I'm still using the old Volvo satnav in my N420 (last updated in 2019, I believe), so honestly anything at this point would feel like a major upgrade!
Oh right, the glovebox: I cannot imagine why it's not there. Weight saving? Of what, 50 grams? Maybe the engine being so far back?
Looking at the 992 is really about finding something more suited for everyday use. I've never been a huge 911 fan, but the 992 has grown on me it really channels some of that classic 70s design, updated with a modern edge (I love the LED light bar in the rear). I'm drawn to the cabriolet too, it's one of the (very) few convertibles that I think still looks great with the roof up. Plus, I ve never owned a cabrio before, so I'm curious to finally experience what the fuss is about.
That said, it's hard to give up the style, character, and rarity of the Aston. Especially around here in Italy and France, 911s are pretty much everywhere.
From what I've gathered though, the post-2019 Vantage might strike the right balance, especially with the ZF 8-speed gearbox, which seems to make it much more usable in day-to-day driving.
Edited by EVR on Wednesday 23 July 10:07
Funnily enough my V12 I specced in China grey and yes the new Vantages I’ve seen in it look good.
It is a slight marmite colour and many refer to it as primer grey but if you like it that’s all that should count.
Silvers also seem to suit the “old / new “ Vantage well - magnetic or scintilla if specced look very good.
Interior wise some specced leather with a stripe and also on the door card usually to match calipers colour.
Again whether you can find combos you like may be the difficult part.
More difficult still on Alcantara but could certainly find some with contrasting stitching.
Completely different proposition to the V12S - mine was an automated manual.
I suppose the V12 made me feel more special and was more of an event to drive but that takes nothing away from the V8.
I still prefer the “ old “ shape Vantage but also bear in mind I still have my GT8 which I doubt I would ever sell and I do tend to get bored unless I change the cars.
The Elwood Vantage got replaced by a V10 R8 carbon black.
On that note I’ve also just taken delivery of a Mustang dark horse which given the price disparity with the Vantage and it’s noise and even build quality ( surprisingly good ) is virtually a free car given Aston depreciation levels and what a new new one would have cost - man maths for my wife anyway.
It is a slight marmite colour and many refer to it as primer grey but if you like it that’s all that should count.
Silvers also seem to suit the “old / new “ Vantage well - magnetic or scintilla if specced look very good.
Interior wise some specced leather with a stripe and also on the door card usually to match calipers colour.
Again whether you can find combos you like may be the difficult part.
More difficult still on Alcantara but could certainly find some with contrasting stitching.
Completely different proposition to the V12S - mine was an automated manual.
I suppose the V12 made me feel more special and was more of an event to drive but that takes nothing away from the V8.
I still prefer the “ old “ shape Vantage but also bear in mind I still have my GT8 which I doubt I would ever sell and I do tend to get bored unless I change the cars.
The Elwood Vantage got replaced by a V10 R8 carbon black.
On that note I’ve also just taken delivery of a Mustang dark horse which given the price disparity with the Vantage and it’s noise and even build quality ( surprisingly good ) is virtually a free car given Aston depreciation levels and what a new new one would have cost - man maths for my wife anyway.
EVR said:
Interior-wise, I am hoping for something a bit more unique than Obsidian Black. Even just some colourful contrast stitching would make a difference. Oddly enough, I find myself attracted to the full Alcantara option. I know it's the base choice over leather, but I find it incredibly sporty and different. That said, I imagine it's a nightmare to keep clean and might wear badly; any thoughts?
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Great thread as I'm looking to buy my first Aston and you've asked a load of questions I wouldn't even know to ask, I can advise on the alcantara question though, I have a 997.2 GTS convertible with the alcantara GTS interior pack, the car is a 2012 and the alcantara on the seats and low volume touchpoints is still like new, I did however this year bite the bullet and got the handbrake lever and the steering wheel re-trimmed by Royal Steering Wheels, at quite reasonable money, if you ever start a 'where do I get a steering wheels refresh' thread the first ten replies will be Royal ![/footnote]
I am also only looking at cars with the alcantara interiors as its just that bit different from most other cars out there and I just like the look of it, especially the cars with the full treatment of dash and doors etc.
Good luck with your search, mines been delayed slightly as the 911 has developed a minor niggle but I can't get it in and resolved until Sept, roof motor issue, which means I can't sell or trade it until the motors swopped out. Which has been doubly annoying with the great weather we have had, will no doubt be lashing down when I pick it up after !!!
I have a 21 Roadster and also an 18 VH AMR 6 speed.
The roadster is a wonderful car. Super torquey, effortless, faster than you ll ever need, and an incredibly smooth, comfortable ride. It corners amazingly flat, absorbs bumps and you will never get near the limits on a public road. Both a fantastic grand tourer but a good sports car when the mood takes you. It s a do everything car whereas the VH is an unlimited smile driver s car but not especially great as a grand tourer and not much fun at all as a commuter car. But nothing puts a smile on the dial like that VH when you are in the mood though, this included.
It s a far more entertaining drive than the 992. I spent 6 or 7 hours driving one of those in LA and through the Malibu Canyons. That felt more like a good BMW than something special like an Aston. A particular lowlight was that it sounds like a vacuum cleaner.
I got the Aston approved dealer fitted CarPlay gen 2 and it is fabulous. I have absolutely no complaints with the in car entertainment now.
Like you I vastly prefer the original hunter grille and it was a must have for me. The other one looks like a tacked on fish mouth and no longer matches the rear. Marek must have had a hissy fit with that one as it really ruins the original vision of the car.
Engine sound is superb. Mine does not have OPF (I am in Australia). It sounds nothing like an AMG, and has a much more classic muscle car Aston sound. Entertainment sound is ok. Nowhere near as good as the VH, but then again, it s a roadster so that isn t important with the roof down which is pretty much every drive.
The interior is wonderful. I have the 1000 way sports seats or whatever you call them in duo tone. Sandstone and Dark Night. I like all the buttons as I like buttons, they do the job and I can see what they were going for with the design and appreciate it. Oh, if you go duotone make sure the dash is coated in the darker of the colours so you can see through the windscreen on the 3 days of sun you get in the UK per year.
I have the alcantara in my VH but it is much nicer than the one in the newer Vantage, that tended to look like an 80s office velour wall. There s just too much. The VH set it off with carbon door panels, leather and nice contrast stitching.
I do think this model of Aston can be colour dependent. Also, the black pack is a must. Otherwise there are large swathes of cheap looking grey plastic all over the outside of the car and it does not look good. I also have the forged wheels which I like the best bonus being stronger and lighter.
I believe there were a number of improvements and running changes introduced around 2020 or later.
Finally, if you want people to look at you, this car will do that. Much much more than the VH model. That isn t necessarily a good thing but if you want to be incognito, you won t be. But people generally tend to be very nice to you though, so there is that.
Car of the month for December
The roadster is a wonderful car. Super torquey, effortless, faster than you ll ever need, and an incredibly smooth, comfortable ride. It corners amazingly flat, absorbs bumps and you will never get near the limits on a public road. Both a fantastic grand tourer but a good sports car when the mood takes you. It s a do everything car whereas the VH is an unlimited smile driver s car but not especially great as a grand tourer and not much fun at all as a commuter car. But nothing puts a smile on the dial like that VH when you are in the mood though, this included.
It s a far more entertaining drive than the 992. I spent 6 or 7 hours driving one of those in LA and through the Malibu Canyons. That felt more like a good BMW than something special like an Aston. A particular lowlight was that it sounds like a vacuum cleaner.
I got the Aston approved dealer fitted CarPlay gen 2 and it is fabulous. I have absolutely no complaints with the in car entertainment now.
Like you I vastly prefer the original hunter grille and it was a must have for me. The other one looks like a tacked on fish mouth and no longer matches the rear. Marek must have had a hissy fit with that one as it really ruins the original vision of the car.
Engine sound is superb. Mine does not have OPF (I am in Australia). It sounds nothing like an AMG, and has a much more classic muscle car Aston sound. Entertainment sound is ok. Nowhere near as good as the VH, but then again, it s a roadster so that isn t important with the roof down which is pretty much every drive.
The interior is wonderful. I have the 1000 way sports seats or whatever you call them in duo tone. Sandstone and Dark Night. I like all the buttons as I like buttons, they do the job and I can see what they were going for with the design and appreciate it. Oh, if you go duotone make sure the dash is coated in the darker of the colours so you can see through the windscreen on the 3 days of sun you get in the UK per year.
I have the alcantara in my VH but it is much nicer than the one in the newer Vantage, that tended to look like an 80s office velour wall. There s just too much. The VH set it off with carbon door panels, leather and nice contrast stitching.
I do think this model of Aston can be colour dependent. Also, the black pack is a must. Otherwise there are large swathes of cheap looking grey plastic all over the outside of the car and it does not look good. I also have the forged wheels which I like the best bonus being stronger and lighter.
I believe there were a number of improvements and running changes introduced around 2020 or later.
Finally, if you want people to look at you, this car will do that. Much much more than the VH model. That isn t necessarily a good thing but if you want to be incognito, you won t be. But people generally tend to be very nice to you though, so there is that.
Car of the month for December
Edited by Davil on Thursday 24th July 04:35
Bought mine used from Nottingham AM in February this year. I came out of a 2009 VH Vantage that I had for nearly 5 years. Neither car gave me problems though I did spend quite a bit getting the 2009 car up to a spec I was happy with, clutch, android auto and various other things added.
I don't miss the previous car but feel I will miss the current car if it were to go. It's far easier to live with, its much more comfortable (I'm 6' 3" with a 34" inside leg, and now on the larger size in frame) both cars would accommodate me but the 2019 car is the better car by a long way, comfort on long journeys is way better, fuel economy also very good given the cars power should you wish to consider such things.. Mine was reasonably well spec'd by the first owner with Q' Colour Hyper red, heated/cooled seats, premium audio, comfort pack etc.
I thought the bonnet vents came in 2020 model year, I may be wrong and like the OP I much prefer the shark grill than the slatted grill. I dont feel the need to update the car in any way like I did the 2009 car, the sat nav is fine, it's not great but it certainly isn't a 90's grade unit, it audio streams without any glitching and it is effortlessly powerful ... I see no reason to go the remapping route as the car is plenty quick enough on UK potholed roads. It's also £180 a year road tax compared to nearly £700 for the 2009 car!
For me there is no comparison, I even prefer the looks of the newer car than the older one and I never thought I would say that a few years ago.
I don't miss the previous car but feel I will miss the current car if it were to go. It's far easier to live with, its much more comfortable (I'm 6' 3" with a 34" inside leg, and now on the larger size in frame) both cars would accommodate me but the 2019 car is the better car by a long way, comfort on long journeys is way better, fuel economy also very good given the cars power should you wish to consider such things.. Mine was reasonably well spec'd by the first owner with Q' Colour Hyper red, heated/cooled seats, premium audio, comfort pack etc.
I thought the bonnet vents came in 2020 model year, I may be wrong and like the OP I much prefer the shark grill than the slatted grill. I dont feel the need to update the car in any way like I did the 2009 car, the sat nav is fine, it's not great but it certainly isn't a 90's grade unit, it audio streams without any glitching and it is effortlessly powerful ... I see no reason to go the remapping route as the car is plenty quick enough on UK potholed roads. It's also £180 a year road tax compared to nearly £700 for the 2009 car!
For me there is no comparison, I even prefer the looks of the newer car than the older one and I never thought I would say that a few years ago.
Edited by BiggaJ on Thursday 24th July 13:04
Thanks again everyone for chiming in—glad my search is proving helpful to others too! Good luck with the roof motor first, and with the hunt afterward, dibblecorse
Alscar, holding on to the GT8 was a brilliant decision. I think I remember your China Grey V12S from a few years back—it may well be what sparked my love for that colour.
Reassuring to hear from both of you Alcantara holds up well overall. I’ll keep an eye on what the market offers; about 90% of listings seem to be leather, so I probably won’t make Alcantara a deal-breaker. Exterior colour takes priority for me, but I wouldn’t mind a change—after all, I’ve had leather interiors since my second car in 2004 (Focus RS Mk1)!
Davil, that’s a stunning colour on your Roadster—almost looks like it has some purple hues. Well deserved Car of the Month in December! Also very helpful info on CarPlay Gen 2—what do you mean by “dealer-approved fit”? Not OEM, but installed and supported by the dealer? And which module was it, if you don’t mind me asking?
Appreciate the confirmation that the AM6 is a great all-rounder—it’s exactly what I’m after. I know the 992 doesn’t hold a candle sound-wise, so that’s another point for the Aston. And when it comes to turning heads… well, even after 13 years, my N420 still draws attention—especially in Italy, where Astons are a rare sight. I can’t say I mind (honestly, I think I’d miss that with a 992).
BiggaJ, I remember you and your 2009 car from years back! Totally relate to what you said: "I even prefer the newer car’s looks to the older one—never thought I’d say that." I was the same! The AM6 really grew on me dealer visit after visit. The 2025 facelift and power bump make it even more tempting, but I’m not in the market for new just yet. I doubt I’d modify much too on the AM6—when it’s in the right spec, it just looks and sounds perfect straight from the factory.
I didn’t do anything drastic to the N420 either—just removed the secondary cats (thanks to pipes I bought from a lovely owner here who upgraded to a V12) and added a few minor tweaks like LED lights, the evergreen remote for fuse 22 and so on. At this point, I just want something beautiful and capable—equally happy cruising to Paris or tearing through the B-roads of Tuscany, all in comfort.
Alscar, holding on to the GT8 was a brilliant decision. I think I remember your China Grey V12S from a few years back—it may well be what sparked my love for that colour.
Reassuring to hear from both of you Alcantara holds up well overall. I’ll keep an eye on what the market offers; about 90% of listings seem to be leather, so I probably won’t make Alcantara a deal-breaker. Exterior colour takes priority for me, but I wouldn’t mind a change—after all, I’ve had leather interiors since my second car in 2004 (Focus RS Mk1)!
Davil, that’s a stunning colour on your Roadster—almost looks like it has some purple hues. Well deserved Car of the Month in December! Also very helpful info on CarPlay Gen 2—what do you mean by “dealer-approved fit”? Not OEM, but installed and supported by the dealer? And which module was it, if you don’t mind me asking?
Appreciate the confirmation that the AM6 is a great all-rounder—it’s exactly what I’m after. I know the 992 doesn’t hold a candle sound-wise, so that’s another point for the Aston. And when it comes to turning heads… well, even after 13 years, my N420 still draws attention—especially in Italy, where Astons are a rare sight. I can’t say I mind (honestly, I think I’d miss that with a 992).
BiggaJ, I remember you and your 2009 car from years back! Totally relate to what you said: "I even prefer the newer car’s looks to the older one—never thought I’d say that." I was the same! The AM6 really grew on me dealer visit after visit. The 2025 facelift and power bump make it even more tempting, but I’m not in the market for new just yet. I doubt I’d modify much too on the AM6—when it’s in the right spec, it just looks and sounds perfect straight from the factory.
I didn’t do anything drastic to the N420 either—just removed the secondary cats (thanks to pipes I bought from a lovely owner here who upgraded to a V12) and added a few minor tweaks like LED lights, the evergreen remote for fuse 22 and so on. At this point, I just want something beautiful and capable—equally happy cruising to Paris or tearing through the B-roads of Tuscany, all in comfort.
EVR said:
Davil, that s a stunning colour on your Roadster almost looks like it has some purple hues. Well deserved Car of the Month in December! Also very helpful info on CarPlay Gen 2 what do you mean by dealer-approved fit ? Not OEM, but installed and supported by the dealer? And which module was it, if you don t mind me asking?
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Thanks! Sabiro Blue. Sometimes black, sometimes purple sometimes navy blue. Love it. ..
You just tell your Aston dealer you want their CarPlay installed. If I were you and I found something at an Aston dealer I might ask them to “throw it in” to clinch the deal. Worth a shot.
Hi EVR,
I still own a VH Vantage so won’t be of much help here.
About CarPlay, no need to travel to the UK as Aston Installations have a representative in France.
https://www.gofast60.com/pieces-accessoires-aston-...
A number of fellow AMOC members have used their services, I’ve seen it fitted to a V12VS and a DBS Superleggera. Very neat installation in both cases but a bit pricey.
I haven’t bothered to have it installed in my car as it’s not a daily driver, my daily driver has CarPlay from factory and sure if you use the car regularly it’s a no brainer.
You’re going to Cannes, you should also check what Aston Monaco has in stock as they’re part of a different group (Cannes and Lyon are owned by Chopard and Monaco is part of BPM/Monaco Luxury Group which owns the Paris and Bordeaux dealers too so they have their own Timeless listings.
Also worth a try is BMC which is owned by the previous Aston Martin France director, Guillaume is a great guy and lists a few Astons for sale. I have no affiliation with any company mentioned btw.
https://www.beaufortmotorcars.com/astonmartin-vant...
I still own a VH Vantage so won’t be of much help here.
About CarPlay, no need to travel to the UK as Aston Installations have a representative in France.
https://www.gofast60.com/pieces-accessoires-aston-...
A number of fellow AMOC members have used their services, I’ve seen it fitted to a V12VS and a DBS Superleggera. Very neat installation in both cases but a bit pricey.
I haven’t bothered to have it installed in my car as it’s not a daily driver, my daily driver has CarPlay from factory and sure if you use the car regularly it’s a no brainer.
You’re going to Cannes, you should also check what Aston Monaco has in stock as they’re part of a different group (Cannes and Lyon are owned by Chopard and Monaco is part of BPM/Monaco Luxury Group which owns the Paris and Bordeaux dealers too so they have their own Timeless listings.
Also worth a try is BMC which is owned by the previous Aston Martin France director, Guillaume is a great guy and lists a few Astons for sale. I have no affiliation with any company mentioned btw.
https://www.beaufortmotorcars.com/astonmartin-vant...
Thank guys for the CarPlay advice!
And much appreciated CSK your take on the Southern French dealers, you know your way around here!
As you said, AM Cannes is tied to Chopard, they had not much in stock and fairly pricey. Same goes for their stock in Lyon, one China Grey with the carbon pack but asking too much.
Good call for BMC, will also drop by in Monaco!
And much appreciated CSK your take on the Southern French dealers, you know your way around here!
As you said, AM Cannes is tied to Chopard, they had not much in stock and fairly pricey. Same goes for their stock in Lyon, one China Grey with the carbon pack but asking too much.
Good call for BMC, will also drop by in Monaco!
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