Tell tale signs a GRY has done track days?
Tell tale signs a GRY has done track days?
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RSstuff

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802 posts

31 months

Monday 21st July
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I'm looking for a GR Yaris for a weekend car, and I'd prefer that what I buy hasn't been someone's regular track day toy. The sensible thing for someone to do would have been to take the original wheels and tyres off, and use track day rubber on a spare set of wheels, so no clue there. So what other signs are there a car could have had a hard life, and maybe seen some gravel traps.

rodericb

8,037 posts

142 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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You can do track days with the original wheels, and original tyres if you're so inclined. Aftermarket parts could be an indicator but not every car with aftermarket parts goes onto a track. Going on a track day won't sound the death knell for a GR Yaris - I'd be looking more for engine mods and then getting a feel for how much they were called upon either on the track or on the road. Service history, attitude of the owner etc....

BlackStang5point0

2,266 posts

229 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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Obvious signs of bodywork / paint damage. Disproportionate wear to the brakes (OEM discs are expensive). Not sure how you'd check fully but by interrogating the driving analytics in the Toyota app logs every journey.

KobayashiMaru86

1,665 posts

226 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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Helmet mark on headrest possibly?

RSstuff

Original Poster:

802 posts

31 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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rodericb said:
You can do track days with the original wheels, and original tyres if you're so inclined. Aftermarket parts could be an indicator but not every car with aftermarket parts goes onto a track. Going on a track day won't sound the death knell for a GR Yaris - I'd be looking more for engine mods and then getting a feel for how much they were called upon either on the track or on the road. Service history, attitude of the owner etc....
My point about the wheels and tyres is, if the car has done a few K miles from new, and tyres have hardly got any wear, they haven't done the same miles the car has, or if it's got a new set of tyres at 3k miles why? I know tracking a GR won't ruin it, but track miles close to flat out are much harder on a car, than going fast around a few corners on the road occasionally IMO. And I'd rather buy a car that's never been on a track, than one that was bought to hammer around tracks with little mechanically sympathy, because it was going to be moved on at 2 or 3 years old.

RSstuff

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802 posts

31 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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Perhaps the people that know best are the ones that are using their cars on track. And some are keeping quiet so as not to devalue their cars, or because they are only insured for road use....

ecsrobin

18,268 posts

181 months

Wednesday 6th August
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Just seen this. I wouldn’t worry about track miles, the cars are often highly looked after.

The Yaris has attracted a large percentage of older Ford RS owners who think this will be the next Escort Cosworth in 20 years time, that means many have been stored and seeing low mileage but for whatever reason aren’t servicing the things and then selling them for whatever reason (I suspect it’s because spending money on storage and servicing means they’re loosing money), so I would be more concerned with low mileage cars with incorrect servicing over a track car.

RSstuff

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802 posts

31 months

Wednesday 6th August
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The thing about Track days is that some people will just drive a bit faster than they would on the road, and others that will rag the car all day. If a car has done lots of track days, that's not a car I'd want to buy.

Edited by RSstuff on Wednesday 6th August 15:58

ecsrobin

18,268 posts

181 months

Wednesday 6th August
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RSstuff said:
The thing about Track days is that some people will just drive a bit faster than they would on the road, and others that will rag the car all day. If a car has done lots of track days, that's not a car I'd want to buy.

Edited by RSstuff on Wednesday 6th August 15:58
But you have exactly the same scenario on the road. Someone who drives at 10/10ths everywhere and someone who crawls around in it never even getting to the speed limit.

RSstuff

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Wednesday 6th August
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ecsrobin said:
But you have exactly the same scenario on the road. Someone who drives at 10/10ths everywhere and someone who crawls around in it never even getting to the speed limit.
10/10ths on the road isn't likely for extended periods. The same on the track is much easier on a car with only 260 bhp, and high grip levels.

BevR

775 posts

159 months

Thursday 7th August
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Average lifetime mpg? To my shame mine is in the low 30s. Roads around here are not conducive to pushing on.

London GT3

1,062 posts

257 months

Thursday 7th August
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Cars that I have seen with lots of track use have shown a darkening of the paint on the red brake calipers. A deeper shade of red, rather than the bright red or originals.

Far Cough

2,442 posts

184 months

Thursday 7th August
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Look hard around the wheel arch and liner. I guarantee you will find some form of snotty rubber stuck somewhere thats been picked up from the track.

ecsrobin

18,268 posts

181 months

Thursday 7th August
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London GT3 said:
Cars that I have seen with lots of track use have shown a darkening of the paint on the red brake calipers. A deeper shade of red, rather than the bright red or originals.
Sure that’s not just brake dust? Mine often look a dull red then every 6 months they shine like new.

RSstuff

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802 posts

31 months

Thursday 7th August
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Far Cough said:
Look hard around the wheel arch and liner. I guarantee you will find some form of snotty rubber stuck somewhere thats been picked up from the track.
Thanks for the tip thumbup

RSstuff

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802 posts

31 months

Thursday 7th August
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Changing the subject, black soot inside the tailpipes, a sign that the car has been mapped?

rodericb

8,037 posts

142 months

Friday 8th August
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It depends on how much. Up the rear bumper is probably a better indication. Mine isn't mapped and the insides of the exhaust tips go black pretty quickly. And that's driving on the road.

ecsrobin

18,268 posts

181 months

Friday 8th August
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rodericb said:
It depends on how much. Up the rear bumper is probably a better indication. Mine isn't mapped and the insides of the exhaust tips go black pretty quickly. And that's driving on the road.
Agreed.

RSstuff

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802 posts

31 months

Friday 8th August
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Good to know. The 25k mile car at my local Toyota dealership must have been well valeted, as the exhausts look like new. While the 8k miler at a local indy garage has really sooty tailpipes.

rodericb

8,037 posts

142 months

Friday 8th August
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They're easy to clean. And quick to get dirty again.... Like the front wheels and all that brake dust!