Orgreave Inquiry
Discussion
Oh good, another blank cheque to spend on KC's for 5 years about something that happened 40 years ago. There'll be few if any written records still in existence, memories will have faded, died or been skewed by time & resentment. Nobody will be happy with the result either.
I didn't actually realise that the NUM still existed. What do they do nowadays? Sit around a table & talk about the good 'ol days?
I didn't actually realise that the NUM still existed. What do they do nowadays? Sit around a table & talk about the good 'ol days?
CambsBill said:
Oh good, another blank cheque to spend on KC's for 5 years about something that happened 40 years ago. There'll be few if any written records still in existence, memories will have faded, died or been skewed by time & resentment. Nobody will be happy with the result either.
I didn't actually realise that the NUM still existed. What do they do nowadays? Sit around a table & talk about the good 'ol days?
They count their piles of money gathered from the poor miners and use it to try and evict Arthur Scargill from a very expensive London flat he refuses to move out of. Comrade.I didn't actually realise that the NUM still existed. What do they do nowadays? Sit around a table & talk about the good 'ol days?
Tom8 said:
CambsBill said:
Oh good, another blank cheque to spend on KC's for 5 years about something that happened 40 years ago. There'll be few if any written records still in existence, memories will have faded, died or been skewed by time & resentment. Nobody will be happy with the result either.
I didn't actually realise that the NUM still existed. What do they do nowadays? Sit around a table & talk about the good 'ol days?
They count their piles of money gathered from the poor miners and use it to try and evict Arthur Scargill from a very expensive London flat he refuses to move out of. Comrade.I didn't actually realise that the NUM still existed. What do they do nowadays? Sit around a table & talk about the good 'ol days?
Very good. Milliband would approve.CambsBill said:
Oh good, another blank cheque to spend on KC's for 5 years about something that happened 40 years ago. There'll be few if any written records still in existence, memories will have faded, died or been skewed by time & resentment. Nobody will be happy with the result either.
Another pointless onanistic welfare scheme for otherwise unemployable lawyers without the skills to work outside the quietest, lowest risk, most technical environment where they don't have actual clients to worry about, plus a cosy sinecure for whoever gets to run it.Even the enquiries with something worthwhile at their root & dealing with contemporary events almost always decay into a near endless process that seems only to exist to allow hours to be billed, with little of actual value coming out the other end. A technical exercise of no practical value.
This thing is even worse - after 40 years what does even the most optimistic person expect it to achieve? Nothing that comes out of it will change anything; everyone is retired or dead, the organisations involved mostly don't exist in any form that relates to then, no sanction will be applied to anyone, no laws will change. Utterly futile.
Something that appeals only to those still clinging on to their dogmatic belief that it's necessary, and to those who'll profit from riding on the back of it.
Gecko1978 said:
I think the minors strike and the violence of the time is best left closed. It was unlike grooming gangs a point in time an world moved on. Mines still closed and no one 40 years later has significant connections to that
I know plenty of people with those connections.Whether it needs dragging back up is another matter.
ChocolateFrog said:
Gecko1978 said:
I think the minors strike and the violence of the time is best left closed. It was unlike grooming gangs a point in time an world moved on. Mines still closed and no one 40 years later has significant connections to that
I know plenty of people with those connections.Whether it needs dragging back up is another matter.
JoshSm said:
Another pointless onanistic welfare scheme for otherwise unemployable lawyers without the skills to work outside the quietest, lowest risk, most technical environment where they don't have actual clients to worry about, plus a cosy sinecure for whoever gets to run it.
Even the enquiries with something worthwhile at their root & dealing with contemporary events almost always decay into a near endless process that seems only to exist to allow hours to be billed, with little of actual value coming out the other end. A technical exercise of no practical value.
This thing is even worse - after 40 years what does even the most optimistic person expect it to achieve? Nothing that comes out of it will change anything; everyone is retired or dead, the organisations involved mostly don't exist in any form that relates to then, no sanction will be applied to anyone, no laws will change. Utterly futile.
Something that appeals only to those still clinging on to their dogmatic belief that it's necessary, and to those who'll profit from riding on the back of it.
This is 100% spot on.Even the enquiries with something worthwhile at their root & dealing with contemporary events almost always decay into a near endless process that seems only to exist to allow hours to be billed, with little of actual value coming out the other end. A technical exercise of no practical value.
This thing is even worse - after 40 years what does even the most optimistic person expect it to achieve? Nothing that comes out of it will change anything; everyone is retired or dead, the organisations involved mostly don't exist in any form that relates to then, no sanction will be applied to anyone, no laws will change. Utterly futile.
Something that appeals only to those still clinging on to their dogmatic belief that it's necessary, and to those who'll profit from riding on the back of it.
JoshSm said:
This thing is even worse - after 40 years what does even the most optimistic person expect it to achieve?
Compensation?If the enquiry moves in a favourable direction, some NWNF lawyers might jump on the bandwagon, and we know this government love giving away money. Mind you, they'll hopefully be long gone by the time it's over.
We do not need an ancient enquiry that will achieve nothing whatsoever except line the pockets of lawyers and give the media more rubbish to print out of context.
What we do need is that sort of robust Policing in relation to the out of control protests that are currently happening around the country to reinstall a little bit of respect and teach the wrong doers that their actions will have consequences. It's embarrassing watching the footage. I didn't ever think the film Demolition Man would ever become reality but sadly we are there already.
What we do need is that sort of robust Policing in relation to the out of control protests that are currently happening around the country to reinstall a little bit of respect and teach the wrong doers that their actions will have consequences. It's embarrassing watching the footage. I didn't ever think the film Demolition Man would ever become reality but sadly we are there already.
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