Red light at level crossing with a twist
Discussion
Firstly, I haven’t been done for jumping a red light, and I just wanted to gauge people’s opinions on the situation shown in the clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRh83H9MT4
The clip is from a Polish dash-cam site and shows two cars going over a level crossing after the barriers go up, but 5 seconds before the red lights stop flashing.
On the other side of the crossing is a police car, which runs after the two miscreants.
Apparently, the standard fine in Poland for a level crossing red light offence is 2,000pln (approx. £400) and 15 penalty points. (Polish drivers can accumulate 24 points, which come off after 2 years).
In the example shown, it seems harsh for this event to be punished in the same was as running a red light when the barriers are coming down, which everyone knows is dangerous and should rightly be punished.
However, once the barriers are on the way up, it seems like a minor & technical infringement whilst the light are still flashing, in much the same way that driving at 71 in a 70 is illegal, but nobody has ever been prosecuted for it.
Interested to hear people’s thoughts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRh83H9MT4
The clip is from a Polish dash-cam site and shows two cars going over a level crossing after the barriers go up, but 5 seconds before the red lights stop flashing.
On the other side of the crossing is a police car, which runs after the two miscreants.
Apparently, the standard fine in Poland for a level crossing red light offence is 2,000pln (approx. £400) and 15 penalty points. (Polish drivers can accumulate 24 points, which come off after 2 years).
In the example shown, it seems harsh for this event to be punished in the same was as running a red light when the barriers are coming down, which everyone knows is dangerous and should rightly be punished.
However, once the barriers are on the way up, it seems like a minor & technical infringement whilst the light are still flashing, in much the same way that driving at 71 in a 70 is illegal, but nobody has ever been prosecuted for it.
Interested to hear people’s thoughts.
Mandat said:
Firstly, I haven t been done for jumping a red light, and I just wanted to gauge people s opinions on the situation shown in the clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRh83H9MT4
The clip is from a Polish dash-cam site and shows two cars going over a level crossing after the barriers go up, but 5 seconds before the red lights stop flashing.
On the other side of the crossing is a police car, which runs after the two miscreants.
Apparently, the standard fine in Poland for a level crossing red light offence is 2,000pln (approx. £400) and 15 penalty points. (Polish drivers can accumulate 24 points, which come off after 2 years).
In the example shown, it seems harsh for this event to be punished in the same was as running a red light when the barriers are coming down, which everyone knows is dangerous and should rightly be punished.
However, once the barriers are on the way up, it seems like a minor & technical infringement whilst the light are still flashing, in much the same way that driving at 71 in a 70 is illegal, but nobody has ever been prosecuted for it.
Interested to hear people s thoughts.
Really?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRh83H9MT4
The clip is from a Polish dash-cam site and shows two cars going over a level crossing after the barriers go up, but 5 seconds before the red lights stop flashing.
On the other side of the crossing is a police car, which runs after the two miscreants.
Apparently, the standard fine in Poland for a level crossing red light offence is 2,000pln (approx. £400) and 15 penalty points. (Polish drivers can accumulate 24 points, which come off after 2 years).
In the example shown, it seems harsh for this event to be punished in the same was as running a red light when the barriers are coming down, which everyone knows is dangerous and should rightly be punished.
However, once the barriers are on the way up, it seems like a minor & technical infringement whilst the light are still flashing, in much the same way that driving at 71 in a 70 is illegal, but nobody has ever been prosecuted for it.
Interested to hear people s thoughts.
Mandat said:
Firstly, I haven t been done for jumping a red light, and I just wanted to gauge people s opinions on the situation shown in the clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRh83H9MT4
The clip is from a Polish dash-cam site and shows two cars going over a level crossing after the barriers go up, but 5 seconds before the red lights stop flashing.
On the other side of the crossing is a police car, which runs after the two miscreants.
Apparently, the standard fine in Poland for a level crossing red light offence is 2,000pln (approx. £400) and 15 penalty points. (Polish drivers can accumulate 24 points, which come off after 2 years).
In the example shown, it seems harsh for this event to be punished in the same was as running a red light when the barriers are coming down, which everyone knows is dangerous and should rightly be punished.
However, once the barriers are on the way up, it seems like a minor & technical infringement whilst the light are still flashing, in much the same way that driving at 71 in a 70 is illegal, but nobody has ever been prosecuted for it.
Interested to hear people s thoughts.
How do you know the police car is going after the two cars that went over the crossing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRh83H9MT4
The clip is from a Polish dash-cam site and shows two cars going over a level crossing after the barriers go up, but 5 seconds before the red lights stop flashing.
On the other side of the crossing is a police car, which runs after the two miscreants.
Apparently, the standard fine in Poland for a level crossing red light offence is 2,000pln (approx. £400) and 15 penalty points. (Polish drivers can accumulate 24 points, which come off after 2 years).
In the example shown, it seems harsh for this event to be punished in the same was as running a red light when the barriers are coming down, which everyone knows is dangerous and should rightly be punished.
However, once the barriers are on the way up, it seems like a minor & technical infringement whilst the light are still flashing, in much the same way that driving at 71 in a 70 is illegal, but nobody has ever been prosecuted for it.
Interested to hear people s thoughts.
wazztie16 said:
I'm wondering how the police officer would know the lights were red, unless they WERE going after the drivers and they admitted to the offence.
Presumably the lights on both sides of the crossing are synchronised, and would have still been flashing in front of the police car on their side.Mandat said:
wazztie16 said:
I'm wondering how the police officer would know the lights were red, unless they WERE going after the drivers and they admitted to the offence.
Presumably the lights on both sides of the crossing are synchronised, and would have still been flashing in front of the police car on their side.119 said:
They ran a red light so they have broken the law and in front of the police.
Not sure there is anything to argue tbh.
You are absolutely correct, but in this situation, my view is that it is akin to doing 71 on a motorway. Equally illegal, but I wouldn't expect anybody to get stopped and prosecuted for such an infringement.Not sure there is anything to argue tbh.
wazztie16 said:
Mandat said:
wazztie16 said:
I'm wondering how the police officer would know the lights were red, unless they WERE going after the drivers and they admitted to the offence.
Presumably the lights on both sides of the crossing are synchronised, and would have still been flashing in front of the police car on their side.https://utk.gov.pl/en/new/18544,Level-crossings-wi...
Mandat said:
You are absolutely correct, but in this situation, my view is that it is akin to doing 71 on a motorway. Equally illegal, but I wouldn't expect anybody to get stopped and prosecuted for such an infringement.
As per my link above, it appears they have recently tightened up rules for crossings, probably due to similar behaviour to bell ends in your video.These rules were in place in Italy in the 1970s.
I was touring in Italy in 1974, and was at the front of the queue at a closed level crossing.
Train passed, barriers went up.
I did just as they did, as I thought it was fine to proceed.
Nobody else moved.
100 yards down the road I.was stopped, so I decided to play dumb.
I spoke no Italian, he spoke no English. We were young and in a Mini.
After about 10 minutes of trying to get me understand, the officer gave up and waved us on our way.
These rules are different in different countries.
Be aware if travelling in Europe.
I was touring in Italy in 1974, and was at the front of the queue at a closed level crossing.
Train passed, barriers went up.
I did just as they did, as I thought it was fine to proceed.
Nobody else moved.
100 yards down the road I.was stopped, so I decided to play dumb.
I spoke no Italian, he spoke no English. We were young and in a Mini.
After about 10 minutes of trying to get me understand, the officer gave up and waved us on our way.
These rules are different in different countries.
Be aware if travelling in Europe.
No I agree with the OP, I think there should be a feathering around laws where individuals are able to break them in boundary cases at their own discretion, and in this instance specifically I think the police should have respected that; there’s nothing more reliable than the average human’s judgement in the heat of the moment.
wazztie16 said:
Mandat said:
wazztie16 said:
I'm wondering how the police officer would know the lights were red, unless they WERE going after the drivers and they admitted to the offence.
Presumably the lights on both sides of the crossing are synchronised, and would have still been flashing in front of the police car on their side.Common sense says it will be a single controller for precisely that reason.
119 said:
Pica-Pica said:
I think it was crass stupidity of the police to do a turn round and risk blocking the (now) free access across the track.
Lol.The police manoeuvre was way more dangerous than the car moving a few seconds before the red lights had gone out.
Yellow Lizud said:
119 said:
Pica-Pica said:
I think it was crass stupidity of the police to do a turn round and risk blocking the (now) free access across the track.
Lol.The police manoeuvre was way more dangerous than the car moving a few seconds before the red lights had gone out.
As i posted earlier and with an easy to read link, they have recently clamped down on crossing rules, probably because of bell ends in the video.
I guess you proceed on a red light at junctions as you can see there is nothing coming?
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