RE: Stunningly restored Lotus Carlton for sale

RE: Stunningly restored Lotus Carlton for sale

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Stunningly restored Lotus Carlton for sale

New hot Vauxhalls are coming soon; as if any excuse was required...


It’s all too easily said, and oh-so-often heard, that new fast cars aren’t like old fast cars. Largely because they aren’t, of course. But that’s always been the way: technology, tastes and legislation change, so inevitably the products do as well. Problem being at the moment is that everything seems a bit out of kilter because the market has diverged from what some buyers actually want. Or even what manufacturers would prefer to be selling, were they given a free hand. 

Which is a long way of saying the new Vauxhall Mokka GSE probably won’t be met with the warmest reception when it’s fully revealed soon. Not a proper GSE, not a proper hot Vaux, that sort of thing. But something surely has to be better than nothing in these barren times, and it is Vauxhall tradition to spring the odd surprise. Perhaps it’ll be a Meriva VXR for the electric age… 

The Lotus Carlton was most certainly not like anything before it, or very much after it for that matter, which is why it’s forged such a reputation as a fast car icon. There had been GSi versions of the Carlton, of course (and if anyone knows of a 24-valve 3000, send it my way), plus the GSE Monzas, but nothing so overtly performance-focused - or with specialist input from a sports car maker. Omegas offered here were never more potent than a 3.2-litre MV6, and while the rebadged Holdens were deeply cool, they were a different prospect really. 

It was a unique creation, the LC, and a uniquely awesome one as well. These days, it is harder than ever to make your mark, because there are ordinary family cars out there capable of 0-62mph in less than four seconds. Add that to motorsport-spec dampers on hot hatches, differentials that could rotate the world the other way and eminently tuneable engines, and you can see how hard it is to reach the edge of the envelope. Imagine a Vauxhall coming out now even more powerful than a BMW M5, even faster, and even more expensive. YouTube would grind to a halt. 

There’s no point dwelling on the Lotus Carlton story for too long. Like that final in 1966, the semi in 1986, Love Actually or the lyrics to Bittersweet Symphony, we’re all familiar with it by now. Suffice it to say that the palaver associated with getting a Carlton straight six to 3.6 litres, adding two turbos and running the Corvette ZR-1 six-speed was more than worth the effort. Always highly desirable super-saloons, LCs are now stone-cold six-figure classics. 

There weren’t very many in the first place, and that first place was more than 30 years ago now; plenty will have suffered an ignominious fate with that much power and rear-wheel drive. This one, number 882, must be one of the very best left in existence. Not only is the mileage incredibly low at 21,000, it’s also been freshly and extensively restored - to the tune of £18,000. 

Bless it, the poor old Carlton hasn’t done very much since 2005, which is a bit of shame. Back then, it was showing 19,777 miles; at its MOT last month it was on 20,912. But far from being a barn find, that money spent in 2023 means it now looks ready to rule the road all over again. The advert suggests it’s a ‘truly unrepeatable opportunity for collectors and enthusiasts alike.’

It’s pretty damn magnificent just to gawp at, let alone drive. Those wheels have never looked better, the paint is pristine, the interior gorgeous and the original numberplates a lovely detail. A low mileage example should always have presented nicely, but whatever was done a couple of years ago really has brought the best from it. There’s not anywhere a Lotus Carlton won’t be the centre of attention for all the right reasons. A supercar saloon, if you will - with the price tag now to match… 


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Billy_Whizzzz

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2,363 posts

158 months

Yesterday (05:02)
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It is nice, of course, but I’d rather have an e28 M5 or even an e34 (or even an e39), with change for (say) a 997. Will anyone actually buy and use this?

daqinggregg

4,636 posts

144 months

Yesterday (06:00)
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It’s a no from me, this is a car of legends which are mostly true, the hype is not over hyped, the LC wrote its own place in history.

Is a perfect high performance saloon, hell no, there are many far more accomplished cars with 4 seats, but few so raw, steeped in so much myth.

If I had the means to buy one, it would have to be a fairly ropey example, one that could be used and abused, not cosseted.

This is a car from a time when manufacturers could say ‘sod it’ we’re building this.



N.A.R.T Spyder

150 posts

75 months

Yesterday (06:52)
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I remember when these first came out, Mallory Park had one as a safety car. It was pretty impressive around the track. With regards to this one, if you are after an LC then its not going to get much better than this especially with that mileage. I'm sure the '130k for a Vauxhall !!' brigade will be here soon, but with some fast Ford's going for in excess of half a million this seems fairly priced for such a nice example. The fact its been restored is reassuring as they do rot under the plastic side skirts.

SpudLink

7,113 posts

207 months

Yesterday (07:12)
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N.A.R.T Spyder said:
I'm sure the '130k for a Vauxhall !!' brigade will be here soon, but with some fast Ford's going for in excess of half a million this seems fairly priced for such a nice example.
Agreed. Obviously £130k is a lot of money, and hard to justify objectively. But we live in a world where people will pay silly money for a Mk 3 Escort. This Lotus Carlton is infinitely more interesting and desirable. A car with a unique place in history.

Agent57

2,110 posts

169 months

Yesterday (07:19)
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£130K?

I love these cars but not at that price.

200Plus Club

11,971 posts

293 months

Yesterday (07:43)
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No one in their right mind will lump £130k into that and then be afraid to use it properly and put miles on it.

There's a reason cossies keep going up in value, it's the Ford crowd and there's lots of em willing to recreate their youth in one, the Lotus Carlton never really sold well and although admired didnt attract anything like the same following.

Lovely car, currently way overpriced imho.

Andy83n

542 posts

77 months

Yesterday (07:54)
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Certainly worthy the money in today’s world, and a lovely car.

By the way, that's some inventory at th dealer.

Only 10 cars but a real eclectic mix of dream garage stalwarts

200Plus Club

11,971 posts

293 months

Yesterday (08:00)
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Andy83n said:
Certainly worthy the money in today s world, and a lovely car.

By the way, that's some inventory at th dealer.

Only 10 cars but a real eclectic mix of dream garage stalwarts
There's another Lotus Carlton that looks equally as tidy for £32k less also for sale on PH. I suspect you'd find a few more around that lower price via the owners club / forum perhaps.

Having browsed the advert for this one I can't see any detail as to how they spent £18k recommissioning it either?

Twinair

871 posts

157 months

Yesterday (08:00)
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I grew up with LC - fast rides to watch football - especially away games, ‘ooop north… M5 - M1 without the cameras of today. Of it’s time & indeed legendary. But yeah, £130k Good luck if they can get this, not long ago £50K was considered ‘max’ money for a good ‘un.

Speaking of ‘of it’s time’ - does anyone know this GT4RS? SCC members car - I’m at the buying stage. Dick Lovett - Bristol. Also £130K but, with a warranty, and less than a year old - as a comparator to the LC - this is where I will spend my money - I suspect many others would also not spend on the LC…?


Rat_Fink_67

2,793 posts

221 months

Yesterday (08:03)
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One of my all time favourite "hero" cars, closest I ever got myself was a 3000 GSI!

I had the opportunity to buy a Lotus version around 2007, but the owner at the time was telling me a horror story about how hard it was to find brake pads and clutch parts, which wasn't an ideal sales pitch, so I dipped on it.

It's still an itch I'd love to scratch, but as other have said, not in a £130k example that's almost too good to enjoy.

Great cars though and a moment of madness from GM that's rightly celebrated!

Edited by Rat_Fink_67 on Sunday 20th July 08:08

Joscal

2,312 posts

215 months

Yesterday (08:04)
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Memories! My Uncle was a car nut and traded his 928 S4 for one of these and I’ll never forget seeing it for the first time.

A lot of money but worth it to someone I’m sure.

MarkJS

1,897 posts

162 months

Yesterday (08:07)
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Was this a press car? The number plate looks familiar (SAE).

It might be in the blurb and I’ve missed it. wink

BOR

5,013 posts

270 months

Yesterday (08:59)
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It's amazing to look back at the hysteria this car caused when it was launched despite only having half the power of a current hot saloon or Tesla.

Of its time. Now, a Mini Cooper S would be quicker.

not BRG

22 posts

164 months

Yesterday (09:05)
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They still make my heart skip a beat.
Ran 0864 for five years,used almost every day,only sold due to child number 5 arriving in 2005.
People I haven't seen for decades will still ask about it,they had an huge influence on my generation,if you were into your cars. £ 130 k is strong money for sure,but if I had it spare I don't think I could help myself,the only car I would revisit.

Frankychops

1,421 posts

24 months

Yesterday (09:10)
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When you look at what the Ford fanboys are paying for cars that weren’t best in class in the day, it makes this look like a bargain.

cerb4.5lee

37,389 posts

195 months

Yesterday (09:19)
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I always remember a chap I know taking one of these to 160 mph on the M1 on his way to Meadowhall years back. He said that it was still pulling strong even at that speed. A legendary car for sure, and I've had one in my PH dream garage for years as well.


Firebobby

829 posts

54 months

Yesterday (09:24)
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BOR said:
It's amazing to look back at the hysteria this car caused when it was launched despite only having half the power of a current hot saloon or Tesla.

Of its time. Now, a Mini Cooper S would be quicker.
So a mini cooper s will do an indicated 176mph will it? I'm autotrader as we speak!!

cerb4.5lee

37,389 posts

195 months

Yesterday (09:28)
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Firebobby said:
BOR said:
It's amazing to look back at the hysteria this car caused when it was launched despite only having half the power of a current hot saloon or Tesla.

Of its time. Now, a Mini Cooper S would be quicker.
So a mini cooper s will do an indicated 176mph will it? I'm autotrader as we speak!!
I thought my Mini Cooper S was eye opening enough at only 130mph...so I definitely wouldn't fancy doing 176mph in one to be honest! hehe

Taz73

297 posts

27 months

Yesterday (09:34)
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Absolutely stunning, though the ad could go into more detail about the restoration, but I guess that is info they'll pass on when you are viewing or calling a out a viewing. If only I had the money, I really would as I've always liked these, and I reckon you can use it without affecting its value, if kept well and at 50k miles in several years time, I'm sure you wouldn't lose on it, but I'd want it to keep, not as an investment but to use and enjoy as a classic car.

The Pistonsdead

5,304 posts

222 months

Yesterday (10:16)
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If i had the funds I'd definitely have this in a heartbeat.
Brighton Speed Trials back in 1990 was the first time I set eyes on one of these.
Frosts had one for years in their showroom amongst other interesting cars.
Love a fast Ford, but these are so rare now and just that little bit more desirable for me. smile