Another hotel protest ends in violence
Discussion
Looks like the scumbags haven't learned from last summer.
Far-right supporters attack police after protest against Essex hotel for asylum seekers
Far-right supporters attack police after protest against Essex hotel for asylum seekers
brake fader said:
These people are not far right racists they are very concerned citizens who fear for the safety of their children, not hard to believe either after 23000 unknown migrants have arrived already this year. This is the governments fault for allowing it to continue.
I'm not sure how smashing up police vehicles is protecting their children.It's a powder keg, not helped by a hot dry summer.
Recently I have had conversations with mild mannered workmates who have suddenly become quite vocal with their concerns.
One has a sister where a local hotel has been taken over and the young girls are being followed, leered at and made to feel uncomfortable.
And I'm not talking about the local builders.
Personally if a country were to take me in as a refugee, I'd be grateful and polite as fek, as I have been when working over in the Middle East.
I'm not saying that most of these people are not respectful, it just seems that a good proportion are taking the pee.
Recently I have had conversations with mild mannered workmates who have suddenly become quite vocal with their concerns.
One has a sister where a local hotel has been taken over and the young girls are being followed, leered at and made to feel uncomfortable.
And I'm not talking about the local builders.
Personally if a country were to take me in as a refugee, I'd be grateful and polite as fek, as I have been when working over in the Middle East.
I'm not saying that most of these people are not respectful, it just seems that a good proportion are taking the pee.
People protesting who want better safety for their kids and women. I wonder what’s causing their concerns and how widespread it is across the UK and Europe.
The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We’re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that’s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn’t the far right or left, it’s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b’s and disrupting our society, now.
The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We’re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that’s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn’t the far right or left, it’s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b’s and disrupting our society, now.
Phil. said:
People protesting who want better safety for their kids and women. I wonder what s causing their concerns and how widespread it is across the UK and Europe.
The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn t the far right or left, it s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b s and disrupting our society, now.
Pretty much nailed it from my perspective The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn t the far right or left, it s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b s and disrupting our society, now.
As a father of a daughter I wouldn't be overjoyed at a 'hotel' resident near me being charged with 3 sexual assaults
Phil. said:
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The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest <snip>
I don't think they caused it yesterday, unlike the bald headed SWP bloke on Sunday who started bashing somebody and then got pasted and a bloody face. The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest <snip>
But the police escorting them up to the Bell Hotel from the tube station yesterday was bound to start something. Agitators on both sides it seems.
You can't help but to feel we're being set up for something to kick off. /Tinfoil hat.
Epping: There were four BNP councillors on Epping Forest District Council when I lived there in 2005. Ian Anderson (former National Front chairman) was a regular face in the High Street. A real powder keg of a place and no surprise really.
It's not a uniquely British problem. Similar in Spain right now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8mp7r5jglo
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8mp7r5jglo
It all got a bit stabby at the Afghan migrant hotel near me two years ago. I believe they have been moved on now, but I never liked walking past there.
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/volun...
My parents were looking at moving recently, one of the big things they checked was that there wasn't a hotel near the house they were interested in.
A lot of these people are also working illegally as deliveroo drivers and everyone turns a blind eye. Guess big business need the Government to keep importing those cheap workers.
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/volun...
My parents were looking at moving recently, one of the big things they checked was that there wasn't a hotel near the house they were interested in.
A lot of these people are also working illegally as deliveroo drivers and everyone turns a blind eye. Guess big business need the Government to keep importing those cheap workers.
Protesting and being angry is fine.
Committing crime isn't.
The first can exist without the second. Hardly complicated.
As a father of a daughter I wouldn't be overjoyed at a 'hotel' resident near me being charged with 3 sexual assaultsHe nailed it by proposing the police were deliberately told to 'fail to take control' to allow disorder as part of a government conspiracy to impose emergency laws?
I thought the first part of his post was satire.
Committing crime isn't.
The first can exist without the second. Hardly complicated.
Patio said:
Phil. said:
People protesting who want better safety for their kids and women. I wonder what s causing their concerns and how widespread it is across the UK and Europe.
The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn t the far right or left, it s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b s and disrupting our society, now.
Pretty much nailed it from my perspective The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn t the far right or left, it s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b s and disrupting our society, now.
As a father of a daughter I wouldn't be overjoyed at a 'hotel' resident near me being charged with 3 sexual assaults
I thought the first part of his post was satire.
Phil. said:
People protesting who want better safety for their kids and women. I wonder what s causing their concerns and how widespread it is across the UK and Europe.
The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn t the far right or left, it s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b s and disrupting our society, now.
This is full on conspiracy theory bThe antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn t the far right or left, it s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b s and disrupting our society, now.
ks. "It's all a plan." It is nothing of the sort. It is people trying to deal with a complicated mess and things go wrong. That's how the world actually works and you should try to acquaint yourself with reality rather than think the worst of people.The thing that really pisses me off with conspiracy theorists isn't that they've misunderstood what's going on. That's normal. We all do that. What pisses me off is their mindless cynicism. Their ideas always boil down to "bad people are trying to screw over other people" ... by which they usually mean, "trying to screw me over." It's pathetic.
Some background vs some of the press reporting
https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/p...
Some questions being raised as to why the police saw fit to allow a counter demonstration from Stand Up To Racism which seemed determined to inflame the situation.
https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/p...
Some questions being raised as to why the police saw fit to allow a counter demonstration from Stand Up To Racism which seemed determined to inflame the situation.
Easier explanation is it was just bad management by allowing the counter protests and the counter-counter protests to happen at all, the main event seems to have been fine until the rest got involved.
The 'conspiracy' idea comes from some people not being able to help themselves to gloss over the original problem and the original protest by just pointing at the bit that happened after, and then by implication acting like there was nothing real to be concerned about and it was all just a bunch of deluded racists having a go over invented rumours.
Stand Up to Racism do look like useful idiots.
The 'conspiracy' idea comes from some people not being able to help themselves to gloss over the original problem and the original protest by just pointing at the bit that happened after, and then by implication acting like there was nothing real to be concerned about and it was all just a bunch of deluded racists having a go over invented rumours.
Stand Up to Racism do look like useful idiots.
Ridgemont said:
Some background vs some of the press reporting
https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/p...
Some questions being raised as to why the police saw fit to allow a counter demonstration from Stand Up To Racism which seemed determined to inflame the situation.
Because the police have a positive duty to allow opposing groups to protest within sight/sound of each other. https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/p...
Some questions being raised as to why the police saw fit to allow a counter demonstration from Stand Up To Racism which seemed determined to inflame the situation.
If there was no disorder pre the start of either sides protest, no intelligence to say any of the groups were going to engage in any disorder then they have to facilitate the protest.
Freedom of expression.
MrBogSmith said:
Protesting and being angry is fine.
Committing crime isn't.
The first can exist without the second. Hardly complicated.
As a father of a daughter I wouldn't be overjoyed at a 'hotel' resident near me being charged with 3 sexual assaultsHe nailed it by proposing the police were deliberately told to 'fail to take control' to allow disorder as part of a government conspiracy to impose emergency laws?
I thought the first part of his post was satire.
Yep, it's been accepted that on .any occasions the police failed to control to preserve community cohesion/harmony so why not this?Committing crime isn't.
The first can exist without the second. Hardly complicated.
Patio said:
Phil. said:
People protesting who want better safety for their kids and women. I wonder what s causing their concerns and how widespread it is across the UK and Europe.
The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn t the far right or left, it s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b s and disrupting our society, now.
Pretty much nailed it from my perspective The antifa caused the violence yesterday. It was planned aggravation. The police failed or were told to fail in taking control of the situation.
We re all being set up to create unrest so the government can impose emergency laws and restrict our lives again.
This will be used as another excuse to implement digital ID because that s [not] going to solve the whole illegal migrant problem that is the cause of the present situation.
The problem isn t the far right or left, it s the government. Even Macron said to Starmer to stop handing illegal immigrants phones, money, accommodation, free meals, free healthcare etc. and they will stop coming. Match what they do in France and there is far less incentive to get on a boat. Then deport all the illegals, that are costing us £b s and disrupting our society, now.
As a father of a daughter I wouldn't be overjoyed at a 'hotel' resident near me being charged with 3 sexual assaults
I thought the first part of his post was satire.
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