Social Services in the UK

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Petrus1983

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10,406 posts

177 months

Wednesday
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It seems shocking. A bunch of middle/old aged women being judge and jury over such serious scenarios - when did Social Services become a hidden North Korea?

A friend who doesn't drink (boring), doesn't take drugs etc has just been told she's losing her kids to her ex - who's had a past of abusive behaviour, lost his job due to fraud etc Her offense - dating someone she didn't know about in March.

Before the hate - she's a friend and my son lives in Dallas (who's sadly lost 6 school friends in the flood).

Anyone know the jurisdiction??

Ridgemont

7,562 posts

146 months

Yesterday (00:28)
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There appears to be a lot of missing detail or context here so not sure what response you are looking for?

Jamescrs

5,304 posts

80 months

Yesterday (07:29)
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Definitely a lot of missing information in the post.

wc98

11,878 posts

155 months

Yesterday (07:34)
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Is this in the States or UK. From what i can see in the UK it's usually the opposite where kids get left with abusive parents/guardians until they end up dead.

egor110

17,508 posts

218 months

Yesterday (07:35)
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How do you date someone you don't know about ?

greygoose

8,989 posts

210 months

Yesterday (07:45)
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Petrus1983 said:
It seems shocking. A bunch of middle/old aged women being judge and jury over such serious scenarios - when did Social Services become a hidden North Korea?

A friend who doesn't drink (boring), doesn't take drugs etc has just been told she's losing her kids to her ex - who's had a past of abusive behaviour, lost his job due to fraud etc Her offense - dating someone she didn't know about in March.

Before the hate - she's a friend and my son lives in Dallas (who's sadly lost 6 school friends in the flood).

Anyone know the jurisdiction??
Odd collection of sentences not making a clear story, why does the son appear? Is he the mystery man dated in March?

MrBogSmith

3,265 posts

49 months

Yesterday (10:23)
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Petrus1983 said:
It seems shocking. A bunch of middle/old aged women being judge and jury over such serious scenarios.
There's literally a court involved (unless it's voluntary). Quite the opposite to being 'judge and jury'.

From what I saw of social services things had to get really bad for them to remove a child.

The relevant people should seek legal advice etc.

Paddymcc

1,099 posts

206 months

Yesterday (11:23)
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MrBogSmith said:
here's literally a court involved (unless it's voluntary)

From what I saw of social services things had to get really bad for them to remove a child.

My better half works in this area of social services and this is exactly the case. Things have to be really bad for social services to go to court to seek removal of kids and put them into care. Typically things like neglect, drugs, alcohol, abuse or the whole lot all at once.

Sheepshanks

37,126 posts

134 months

Yesterday (11:26)
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Was the "someone she didn't know about" on the sex offenders register (or similar)?

And she denied she was seeing him?

Countdown

44,408 posts

211 months

Yesterday (11:29)
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wc98 said:
Is this in the States or UK. From what i can see in the UK it's usually the opposite where kids get left with abusive parents/guardians until they end up dead.
That's not down to Social Services. They'll usually put an application in to take the child into care if they think it's at risk, the parent(s) will fight the application and a judge decides.

Colonel Cupcake

1,266 posts

60 months

Yesterday (18:09)
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Paddymcc said:
MrBogSmith said:
here's literally a court involved (unless it's voluntary)

From what I saw of social services things had to get really bad for them to remove a child.

My better half works in this area of social services and this is exactly the case. Things have to be really bad for social services to go to court to seek removal of kids and put them into care. Typically things like neglect, drugs, alcohol, abuse or the whole lot all at once.
You are only getting information from one side. Try speaking to someone on the receiving end.

98elise

29,732 posts

176 months

Yesterday (18:20)
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MrBogSmith said:
Petrus1983 said:
It seems shocking. A bunch of middle/old aged women being judge and jury over such serious scenarios.
There's literally a court involved (unless it's voluntary). Quite the opposite to being 'judge and jury'.

From what I saw of social services things had to get really bad for them to remove a child.

The relevant people should seek legal advice etc.
Agreed. My mother was a social worker most of her working life. Social workers do not have the powers the OP is claiming. That lies with the courts.

OutInTheShed

11,330 posts

41 months

Yesterday (19:05)
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98elise said:
Agreed. My mother was a social worker most of her working life. Social workers do not have the powers the OP is claiming. That lies with the courts.
Social services can AIUI get an Emergency Protection Order, in minutes.
I'm not sure if police involvement is required, but it definitely happens.

Crumpet

4,379 posts

195 months

Yesterday (19:10)
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My wife is a lower-level manager in social services. I don’t want to hear her talk about the job; I’m actually amazed they can get anyone to do the front line work - it sounds horrendous.

The OP’s jab at middle/old aged women in upper management is warranted, though. I can only relay what my wife says but the lack of management skills is staggering. She has no issues with the male managers.

Either way, all I can work out is that councils st away public money on utterly mental stuff.

98elise

29,732 posts

176 months

Yesterday (19:13)
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OutInTheShed said:
98elise said:
Agreed. My mother was a social worker most of her working life. Social workers do not have the powers the OP is claiming. That lies with the courts.
Social services can AIUI get an Emergency Protection Order, in minutes.
I'm not sure if police involvement is required, but it definitely happens.
The OP hasn't mentioned an emergency. Its quite the opposite in fact he's making out the other parent is the problem. They can't just rock up and decide to take a child from a mother and give it to the father.

OutInTheShed

11,330 posts

41 months

Yesterday (21:32)
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98elise said:
The OP hasn't mentioned an emergency. Its quite the opposite in fact he's making out the other parent is the problem. They can't just rock up and decide to take a child from a mother and give it to the father.
The OP is spouting incoherent gibberish.