Double standards!
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Why do people have double standards when it comes to the way the UK was taken into the EU?
In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 1st July 09:54
iphonedyou said:
Nobody's reading that without paragraphs.
You're in Essex. BBC Weather tells me it's 29 degrees and sunny there, rising to 34 degrees later. Get out and enjoy it.
Bad advice. Panny has clearly managed to get sunstroke already this morning. He'd be better advised to go and lie down somewhere dark and cool, and make liberal use of ice packs (or make rabid right-wing loon use of ice packs if that's more acceptable to him, the net effect is much the same)You're in Essex. BBC Weather tells me it's 29 degrees and sunny there, rising to 34 degrees later. Get out and enjoy it.
iphonedyou said:
Nobody's reading that without paragraphs.
You're in Essex. BBC Weather tells me it's 29 degrees and sunny there, rising to 34 degrees later. Get out and enjoy it.
I got through about 2 sentences before realising it was nonsense.You're in Essex. BBC Weather tells me it's 29 degrees and sunny there, rising to 34 degrees later. Get out and enjoy it.
As for getting outside... It's too bleedin 'ot.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Why do people have double standards when it comes to the way the UK was taken into the EU?
In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
I'd say that post is more of a Mayday than a Pan.In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 1st July 09:54
eharding said:
iphonedyou said:
Nobody's reading that without paragraphs.
You're in Essex. BBC Weather tells me it's 29 degrees and sunny there, rising to 34 degrees later. Get out and enjoy it.
Bad advice. Panny has clearly managed to get sunstroke already this morning. He'd be better advised to go and lie down somewhere dark and cool, and make liberal use of ice packs (or make rabid right-wing loon use of ice packs if that's more acceptable to him, the net effect is much the same)You're in Essex. BBC Weather tells me it's 29 degrees and sunny there, rising to 34 degrees later. Get out and enjoy it.
captain_cynic said:
iphonedyou said:
Nobody's reading that without paragraphs.
You're in Essex. BBC Weather tells me it's 29 degrees and sunny there, rising to 34 degrees later. Get out and enjoy it.
I got through about 2 sentences before realising it was nonsense.You're in Essex. BBC Weather tells me it's 29 degrees and sunny there, rising to 34 degrees later. Get out and enjoy it.
As for getting outside... It's too bleedin 'ot.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Why do people have double standards when it comes to the way the UK was taken into the EU?
In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
Firstly is your return key broken?In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 1st July 09:54
Secondly what point are you trying to make and why does it need a new thread for you to post something that you have in the Brexit thread a thousand times.?
We've left the EU after the vote and you're still not happy.?
48k said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Why do people have double standards when it comes to the way the UK was taken into the EU?
In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
I'd say that post is more of a Mayday than a Pan.In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 1st July 09:54
Not an unexpected thing from those who don't like the truth of what actually happened being presented. There seem to be a few on here, who either cannot ,or don't want to face up to the truth.
chrispmartha said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Why do people have double standards when it comes to the way the UK was taken into the EU?
In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
Firstly is your return key broken?In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 1st July 09:54
Secondly what point are you trying to make and why does it need a new thread for you to post something that you have in the Brexit thread a thousand times.?
We've left the EU after the vote and you're still not happy.?
What is the matter? does the truth of what actually happened being aired, upset you so much, you don't like it when it is posted up?
Remainers still certainly don't seem to happy that the UK got out of the EU, even after all this time. Why is that?
Pan Pan Pan said:
Someone else who does not have a reply for the truth, and can only make comments about my poor computer skills.
What is the matter? does the truth of what actually happened being aired, upset you so much, you don't like it when it is posted up?
Remainers still certainly don't seem to happy that the UK got out of the EU, even after all this time. Why is that?
What reply are you wanting, you've written a list of things that happened. Well done.What is the matter? does the truth of what actually happened being aired, upset you so much, you don't like it when it is posted up?
Remainers still certainly don't seem to happy that the UK got out of the EU, even after all this time. Why is that?
The only one that seems to be upset is you.
I hate to break this to you but the elected government makes decided on your behalf every day, thats what you wanted isn’t it, unless you want endless referendums?
OP, you must have heard of General Elections. They're things by which we decide what policies will hopefully be implemented by governments. Referendums are rare, and not the preferred method of decision making in our constitution.
Every government elected from 1975 - 2015 inclusive stood on a platform of staying in Europe - either the EEC or the EU. Which we voted for, and which they did. There were parties in all of those elections who stood on platforms of leaving our European arrangements. They lost. So your entire premise is utterly flawed.
You've got your way now, we're out. Perhaps a dose of "you won, get over it" is required.
I wish you peace.
Every government elected from 1975 - 2015 inclusive stood on a platform of staying in Europe - either the EEC or the EU. Which we voted for, and which they did. There were parties in all of those elections who stood on platforms of leaving our European arrangements. They lost. So your entire premise is utterly flawed.
You've got your way now, we're out. Perhaps a dose of "you won, get over it" is required.
I wish you peace.
chrispmartha said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Someone else who does not have a reply for the truth, and can only make comments about my poor computer skills.
What is the matter? does the truth of what actually happened being aired, upset you so much, you don't like it when it is posted up?
Remainers still certainly don't seem to happy that the UK got out of the EU, even after all this time. Why is that?
What reply are you wanting, you've written a list of things that happened. Well done.What is the matter? does the truth of what actually happened being aired, upset you so much, you don't like it when it is posted up?
Remainers still certainly don't seem to happy that the UK got out of the EU, even after all this time. Why is that?
The only one that seems to be upset is you.
I hate to break this to you but the elected government makes decided on your behalf every day, thats what you wanted isn t it, unless you want endless referendums?
On the basis of all the whining, legal challenges, and anti Brexit demonstrations, which took place when the UK voted to leave, I would say you were NOT telling the truth.
Like I said double standards from those, who did not get the result `they' wanted.
Where it was OK for a government of the day, to take the UK into the EU, without FIRST asking the people if this was what they wanted, but would not have been OK, if the government of the day had taken the UK out of the EU in the same undemocratic way it took the UK into the EU in the first place.
Dealing with unprincipled individuals, who do that is not very pleasant.
Skodillac said:
OP, you must have heard of General Elections. They're things by which we decide what policies will hopefully be implemented by governments. Referendums are rare, and not the preferred method of decision making in our constitution.
Every government elected from 1975 - 2015 inclusive stood on a platform of staying in Europe - either the EEC or the EU. Which we voted for, and which they did. There were parties in all of those elections who stood on platforms of leaving our European arrangements. They lost. So your entire premise is utterly flawed.
You've got your way now, we're out. Perhaps a dose of "you won, get over it" is required.
I wish you peace.
We voted a tory government in in 2015 because they promised us a referendum on leaving. As a government they said they would enact the result of the referendum therefore making it compulsory. No party calling for rejoining or another referendum has ever got anywhere near power since. Democracy in action.Every government elected from 1975 - 2015 inclusive stood on a platform of staying in Europe - either the EEC or the EU. Which we voted for, and which they did. There were parties in all of those elections who stood on platforms of leaving our European arrangements. They lost. So your entire premise is utterly flawed.
You've got your way now, we're out. Perhaps a dose of "you won, get over it" is required.
I wish you peace.
Pan Pan Pan said:
48k said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Why do people have double standards when it comes to the way the UK was taken into the EU?
In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
I'd say that post is more of a Mayday than a Pan.In 1973, the UK, and its people were taken into the EEC, WITHOUT first giving them a democratic vote on the matter.
In 1975, it was realized, that the way the UK had been taken into the EEC in 1973, was undemocratic, and a referendum was held. The majority vote was to remain in the EEC.
In 1975 the EU did not even exist, nor would it for another 9 YEARS.
in 1975 was it expected that the people of the UK would be able to know what an EU was , let alone understand what it would mean for them nine years before it even existed.?
After being trapped in an organization for over 40 years, that no one in the UK had voted for, or were even given the chance to vote on, The people of the UK, were finally given their FIRST and ONLY vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016. They voted by over 1.4 million more votes to get out of the EU.
`Some' try to deflect the truth of the above, by saying that we voted for a UK government, that took us into the EU.
Those that do this, must ask themselves honestly, If in 2016, the government had taken the UK OUT of the EU, in the same undemocratic way, that it took us into it, (without giving the people a vote on the matter), would they be completely happy with that, and just accept that the `government' of the day had taken the UK out of the EU without first asking the people if this was what they wanted?
My guess would be a resounding NO!
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 1st July 09:54
Not an unexpected thing from those who don't like the truth of what actually happened being presented. There seem to be a few on here, who either cannot ,or don't want to face up to the truth.
Pan Pan Pan said:
chrispmartha said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Someone else who does not have a reply for the truth, and can only make comments about my poor computer skills.
What is the matter? does the truth of what actually happened being aired, upset you so much, you don't like it when it is posted up?
Remainers still certainly don't seem to happy that the UK got out of the EU, even after all this time. Why is that?
What reply are you wanting, you've written a list of things that happened. Well done.What is the matter? does the truth of what actually happened being aired, upset you so much, you don't like it when it is posted up?
Remainers still certainly don't seem to happy that the UK got out of the EU, even after all this time. Why is that?
The only one that seems to be upset is you.
I hate to break this to you but the elected government makes decided on your behalf every day, thats what you wanted isn t it, unless you want endless referendums?
On the basis of all the whining, legal challenges, and anti Brexit demonstrations, which took place when the UK voted to leave, I would say you were NOT telling the truth.
Like I said double standards from those, who did not get the result `they' wanted.
Where it was OK for a government of the day, to take the UK into the EU, without FIRST asking the people if this was what they wanted, but would not have been OK, if the government of the day had taken the UK out of the EU in the same undemocratic way it took the UK into the EU in the first place.
Dealing with unprincipled individuals, who do that is not very pleasant.
If you want to play hypotheticals, if a party ran on taking us out of the UK without a referendum and they got in and did it, that's democracy. I thought the decision to leave the EU was stupid and a daft decision, but hey ho that's what happened.
You seem overly angry for no reason whatsoever, stop making up scenarios in your head to get angry about is my suggestion.
Skodillac said:
OP, you must have heard of General Elections. They're things by which we decide what policies will hopefully be implemented by governments. Referendums are rare, and not the preferred method of decision making in our constitution.
Every government elected from 1975 - 2015 inclusive stood on a platform of staying in Europe - either the EEC or the EU. Which we voted for, and which they did. There were parties in all of those elections who stood on platforms of leaving our European arrangements. They lost. So your entire premise is utterly flawed.
You've got your way now, we're out. Perhaps a dose of "you won, get over it" is required.
I wish you peace.
You are missing the points (Perhaps deliberately) Please explain how someone in 1975 was going to be able to meaningly vote for, let alone understand what an EU was, and how it would affect them. Every government elected from 1975 - 2015 inclusive stood on a platform of staying in Europe - either the EEC or the EU. Which we voted for, and which they did. There were parties in all of those elections who stood on platforms of leaving our European arrangements. They lost. So your entire premise is utterly flawed.
You've got your way now, we're out. Perhaps a dose of "you won, get over it" is required.
I wish you peace.
Are you seriously saying you would be able to predict what sort of organization you would vote for, when that organization A: does not even exist,, and B: would NOT exist for another 9 years? If you can, I would really like to know who the winners of the next 9 years of the Grand national will be. That is an amazing look into the future skill you have there.
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