Ferrari delaying 2nd EV model, sources say zero demand
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t in woods, pope catholic.As an entry level povver member of the clienti club I ignored everything they sent me about the Purosangue. I have had 5 Ferraris - 360, F430, F430 Spider, 458 and 296 GTS (my only new one). If they offered me a first dibs at the Eletrico Ferrari Speciale Aperta only for racers I would say I would rather spend my money on online gaming credits or elderly bourbon and scotch and Irish to drink for the rest of my life. Or even watches.
Perhaps I am not rational but if they lose the whole emotional thing, they are gone. I agonised about the 296 until I drove it. But I don't even want to sit in, never mind own, an electric one. Maybe when there is nothing else it will be the best but I will be dead.
Perhaps I am not rational but if they lose the whole emotional thing, they are gone. I agonised about the 296 until I drove it. But I don't even want to sit in, never mind own, an electric one. Maybe when there is nothing else it will be the best but I will be dead.
It’s a bit sad that you don’t even want to try it.
When I’m not driving my McLaren I drive an EV (albeit a 600 hp one) and it’s pretty good.
Sure it’s not a replacement but it’s interesting in its own right. I’d bet a Ferrari EV will at least be fascinating.
Change is inevitable and not always bad.
When I’m not driving my McLaren I drive an EV (albeit a 600 hp one) and it’s pretty good.
Sure it’s not a replacement but it’s interesting in its own right. I’d bet a Ferrari EV will at least be fascinating.
Change is inevitable and not always bad.
Soleith said:
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t in woods, pope catholic.I could maybe convince myself to buy a used Taycan for say 50k as a runaround, but I would not be particularly excited by that purchase.
I would never consider buying an electric car for half a million or more, I think even if I was really really rich, I would still be able to come up with a different car for my collection instead - the list of interesting cars is pretty much endless by now. I'd actually probably rather buy a watch or a painting for half a million than an electric Ferrari.
I would never consider buying an electric car for half a million or more, I think even if I was really really rich, I would still be able to come up with a different car for my collection instead - the list of interesting cars is pretty much endless by now. I'd actually probably rather buy a watch or a painting for half a million than an electric Ferrari.
Take away the engine & you take away the soul.
What do you have left? : a milk float in a fancy outfit.
Electric Ferrari, Lambo or similar . - absolutely no interest from me.
That said I am well into my 50's now - maybe < 30 years olds would feel differently ?
(PS I'm not anti-EV at all - we have a Peugot E 208 and it's great for what it does - somewhat paradoxically I wouldn't swap it for it's petrol equivalent !)
What do you have left? : a milk float in a fancy outfit.
Electric Ferrari, Lambo or similar . - absolutely no interest from me.
That said I am well into my 50's now - maybe < 30 years olds would feel differently ?
(PS I'm not anti-EV at all - we have a Peugot E 208 and it's great for what it does - somewhat paradoxically I wouldn't swap it for it's petrol equivalent !)
I would have heard it if people weren't talking. 
I was passed by a Manthay GT3RS recently while walking. It must have been impossible to speak in it and it looked as stiff as a steel bar on marbles. But what a thing. Not only did it have a bass sound, I swear you could actually feel the vibrations as if being played on a subwoofer. It made me grin from ear to ear.
So no thanks for discretionary spend/fun it has to be at least a hybrid. For shopping and commuting the drivetrain is almost irrelevant.
So no thanks for discretionary spend/fun it has to be at least a hybrid. For shopping and commuting the drivetrain is almost irrelevant.
zedmtrappe said:
Take away the engine & you take away the soul.
What do you have left? : a milk float in a fancy outfit.
Electric Ferrari, Lambo or similar . - absolutely no interest from me.
That said I am well into my 50's now - maybe < 30 years olds would feel differently ?
(PS I'm not anti-EV at all - we have a Peugot E 208 and it's great for what it does - somewhat paradoxically I wouldn't swap it for it's petrol equivalent !)
What is soul when it comes to a car?What do you have left? : a milk float in a fancy outfit.
Electric Ferrari, Lambo or similar . - absolutely no interest from me.
That said I am well into my 50's now - maybe < 30 years olds would feel differently ?
(PS I'm not anti-EV at all - we have a Peugot E 208 and it's great for what it does - somewhat paradoxically I wouldn't swap it for it's petrol equivalent !)
the idea behind it is Ferrari force customers to buy it by saying "if you want to be eligible for the next special edition car then you have to buy the EV"
part of the problem is people lost so much money on the 296 and sf90 and they are making too many 296 specs which might not even be trading at a premium and sre getting out of the game
part of the problem is people lost so much money on the 296 and sf90 and they are making too many 296 specs which might not even be trading at a premium and sre getting out of the game
MingtheMerciless said:
So no thanks for discretionary spend/fun it has to be at least a hybrid. For shopping and commuting the drivetrain is almost irrelevant.
I understand where you are coming from, but for me it is quite relevant all the time - otherwise I would feel like I wasted a journey. At least a decent drivetrain in a car with other redeeming features. I have not driven my Clio in a long time, but when I do it reminds me again why I love it - the high revving little engine with a manual is awesome (even if it does not sound special, which is a bit of a shame) WCZ said:
the idea behind it is Ferrari force customers to buy it by saying "if you want to be eligible for the next special edition car then you have to buy the EV"
part of the problem is people lost so much money on the 296 and sf90 and they are making too many 296 specs which might not even be trading at a premium and sre getting out of the game
More than that, they have inflated the prices of the special editions so much and are making so many that there's nothing left in the pot to allow owners to recoup the losses on the other cars that they have to buy to get on the VIP list.part of the problem is people lost so much money on the 296 and sf90 and they are making too many 296 specs which might not even be trading at a premium and sre getting out of the game
The noise, smell and mechanical chatter of an internal combustion engine are a huge part of driving a sports car for me. Sure there will be people that buy a Ferrari EV to “maintain their status” but I am sure the actual demand for a a Ferrari EV from people who want to drive one for what it is are non existent. It’s not just Ferrari’s problem it is a problem for all sports car manufacturers.
Nobody needs a Ferrari/Aston/Porsche/Lamborghini etc they are all brands that deliver aspirational products. An EV drivetrain reduces that desire. In Rolls Royce on the other hand it might actually increase it.
Nobody needs a Ferrari/Aston/Porsche/Lamborghini etc they are all brands that deliver aspirational products. An EV drivetrain reduces that desire. In Rolls Royce on the other hand it might actually increase it.
See, I *could* go for an EV donkey, IF they did something to merit it having desirability. Go win a racing series with the architecture, etc, go build heritage.
Without that, meh, no thanks.
In a way we have all been here before, donkey multi cylinder aristocratic engines v a fire pump engine from Coventry. That little fire pump engine was the basis for absolute gold spec heritage though, it competed, it won, it produced gold dust, desirability.
Without that, meh, no thanks.
In a way we have all been here before, donkey multi cylinder aristocratic engines v a fire pump engine from Coventry. That little fire pump engine was the basis for absolute gold spec heritage though, it competed, it won, it produced gold dust, desirability.
Yeah, I can't imagine I'd ever get an EV Ferrari tbh. Even hybrids are a reach to me and I do feel like peak car has come and gone without many even realising it thanks to regulators.
I'm increasingly looking to back catalogue. The era of manufacturers making cars fun as well as utility is declining and engineering prowess these days is more likely to be deployed figuring out how to make cars give off less of everything whether noise, rubber particles, brake dust, exhaust emissions or fun!
I'm increasingly looking to back catalogue. The era of manufacturers making cars fun as well as utility is declining and engineering prowess these days is more likely to be deployed figuring out how to make cars give off less of everything whether noise, rubber particles, brake dust, exhaust emissions or fun!
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