Passive trained carpenter

[nyt]

Residents of my apartment block have been told by our fire safety consultants that our apartment doors do not meet regulations.
In particular, the peep holes and letter boxes need to be replaced.

We've been told that repairs must be carried out by a passive trianed & qualified carpenter and they have estimated that it'll cost about £750 a door. there are several hundred doors, so this is not a small amount of money.

This seems ludicrous and I'd like to get other quotations. Unfortunately, Google doesn't seem to come up with any useful contacts.

A long shot, but hopefully someone will have contacts in London?

Thanks for looking.

[Evanivitch]

nyt said:

Residents of my apartment block have been told by our fire safety consultants that our apartment doors do not meet regulations.
In particular, the peep holes and letter boxes need to be replaced.

We've been told that repairs must be carried out by a passive trianed & qualified carpenter and they have estimated that it'll cost about £750 a door. there are several hundred doors, so this is not a small amount of money.

This seems ludicrous and I'd like to get other quotations. Unfortunately, Google doesn't seem to come up with any useful contacts.

A long shot, but hopefully someone will have contacts in London?

Thanks for looking.

Plenty of results when I googled? If it's a huge job then don't worry about employing a local business.

https://www.google.com/search?q=passive+fire+safet...

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

Are you sure the fire consultants are right? It seems potentially dubious advice; just because in a house for example you are only bound by the building regs from when it was built.

Im not an expert at all - but it might be worth getting a second opinion.

[nyt]

Evanivitch said:

Plenty of results when I googled? If it's a huge job then don't worry about employing a local business.

https://www.google.com/search?q=passive+fire+safet...

Thanks - I see them, no idea why I didn't before

[Blackpuddin]

nyt said:

Residents of my apartment block have been told by our fire safety consultants that our apartment doors do not meet regulations.
In particular, the peep holes and letter boxes need to be replaced.

We've been told that repairs must be carried out by a passive trianed & qualified carpenter and they have estimated that it'll cost about £750 a door. there are several hundred doors, so this is not a small amount of money.

At that money it sounds like they're just going to replace the doors rather than faff about with peep hoes and letterboxes.

[nyt]

Blackpuddin said:

At that money it sounds like they're just going to replace the doors rather than faff about with peep hoes and letterboxes.

Defintely peep holes & letter boxes. As I said, seems crazy

[Evanivitch]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

Are you sure the fire consultants are right? It seems potentially dubious advice; just because in a house for example you are only bound by the building regs from when it was built.

Im not an expert at all - but it might be worth getting a second opinion.

I'd agree. I'd probably contact your building insurance for an opinion too. Maybe even local building control.

[smokey mow]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

Are you sure the fire consultants are right? It seems potentially dubious advice; just because in a house for example you are only bound by the building regs from when it was built.

Im not an expert at all - but it might be worth getting a second opinion.

All fire doors have a strict set of parameters in which they can be modified, go beyond that and the certification is no longer valid and they cease to be fire doors.

If the original certification didn’t allow for letter plates or spy holes, or if they have been cut and/or drilled in the wrong area of the door then that could be a reason why they need to be replaced.

A lot has changed since Grenfell happened and some regulations particularly around passive fire safety are now retrospective.

[Regbuser]

The Fire Safety (England) Regulations 2022 - summary fire door guidance:


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-sa...

Sections 6.5 to 6.7 cover entrance doors to flats

Edited by Regbuser on Tuesday 27th May 14:25

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is it just the letterboxes/peep-holes that aren't fire safety compliant or is it the whole door?

if it's hundreds of doors I'm guessing there are apartments which are more than 4.5m above ground level which will need internal doors replacing as well. In that case £750 including fitting isnt excessive for a FD60 rated door.

[Sir Bagalot]

nyt said:

Blackpuddin said:

At that money it sounds like they're just going to replace the doors rather than faff about with peep hoes and letterboxes.

Defintely peep holes & letter boxes. As I said, seems crazy

June 2017. Your management firm have had plenty warning about this, all fire doors leading into hallways must be 100% compliant. Saying that, I don't believe peoples front doors are a common cost, they are charged back to the owner.

All the common doors will be a central cost.

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Sir Bagalot said:

June 2017. Your management firm have had plenty warning about this, all fire doors leading into hallways must be 100% compliant. Saying that, I don't believe peoples front doors are a common cost, they are charged back to the owner.

All the common doors will be a central cost.

They'll be charged to the Leaseholder/Freeholder. If the OP is renting then he should be fine.

[nyt]

Sir Bagalot said:

June 2017. Your management firm have had plenty warning about this, all fire doors leading into hallways must be 100% compliant. Saying that, I don't believe peoples front doors are a common cost, they are charged back to the owner.

All the common doors will be a central cost.

Thanks.

Doors are demised, but either way, I'll end up paying

[nyt]

Regbuser said:

The Fire Safety (England) Regulations 2022 - summary fire door guidance:


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-sa...

Sections 6.5 to 6.7 cover entrance doors to flats

Edited by Regbuser on Tuesday 27th May 14:25

Solid info - thanks