The Murderer of George Floyd BBC2
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Oh here we go. BBC documentary on the criminal that did not do what the Police told him which was to sit in the Police car. Opens with extended footage before the kneeling on the persons neck part with BLM activists crying and saying how it was a lynching.
Now family members saying how he was just a lovable rogue…same family who got $27 million by the way.
Now family members saying how he was just a lovable rogue…same family who got $27 million by the way.
4.7AMV8 said:
Oh here we go. BBC documentary on the criminal that did not do what the Police told him which was to sit in the Police car. Opens with extended footage before the kneeling on the persons neck part with BLM activists crying and saying how it was a lynching.
Now family members saying how he was just a lovable rogue…same family who got $27 million by the way.
None of that justified his killing.Now family members saying how he was just a lovable rogue…same family who got $27 million by the way.
It is however true that a few people became suspiciously rich as a result of the protests.
Anyone ever heard of Tony Timper?
No, doubt you have.....White bloke killed in the same way as George.... 7 officers he had special needs.
its weird how in the UK a black guy gets killed by cops and its protests and 'cops are racist' etc, yet more white people are killed by the US cops than Black people... so why do they never get reported on over here?
Sure its just a simple mistake and not because the media knows this stuff sells...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tony_Timp...
I also don't think George killing was racial as there were three occupants in the car that day all were black, only one died, two that just got out were just happily stood by the road not even cuffed as they were compliant.... the police in US and here don't deal with non compliance very well, mix in drugs drink or mental illness or all three, and it can go south far to quick...
Having bi poplar i've had run ins with police in my teens and 20's because they cant deal with mental illness which i get is tough, there is no easy answer, George was erratic and non compliant, i did that few times during manic episodes and granted i was a t
t but 8 officers piling in with utter glee onto me and punched in the head several times was clearly not showing much self control and skills......
No, doubt you have.....White bloke killed in the same way as George.... 7 officers he had special needs.
its weird how in the UK a black guy gets killed by cops and its protests and 'cops are racist' etc, yet more white people are killed by the US cops than Black people... so why do they never get reported on over here?
Sure its just a simple mistake and not because the media knows this stuff sells...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tony_Timp...
I also don't think George killing was racial as there were three occupants in the car that day all were black, only one died, two that just got out were just happily stood by the road not even cuffed as they were compliant.... the police in US and here don't deal with non compliance very well, mix in drugs drink or mental illness or all three, and it can go south far to quick...
Having bi poplar i've had run ins with police in my teens and 20's because they cant deal with mental illness which i get is tough, there is no easy answer, George was erratic and non compliant, i did that few times during manic episodes and granted i was a t
t but 8 officers piling in with utter glee onto me and punched in the head several times was clearly not showing much self control and skills......Edited by Kamov on Thursday 22 May 10:05
Kamov said:
Anyone ever heard of Tony Timper?
No, doubt you have.....White bloke killed in the same way as George.... 7 officers he had special needs.
its weird how in the UK a black guy gets killed by cops and its protests and 'cops are racist' etc, yet more white people are killed by the US cops than Black people... so why do they never get reported on over here?
White lives don't matter maybe... but to suggest that would in itself be wacist. Or inversely wacist. The whole thing is fNo, doubt you have.....White bloke killed in the same way as George.... 7 officers he had special needs.
its weird how in the UK a black guy gets killed by cops and its protests and 'cops are racist' etc, yet more white people are killed by the US cops than Black people... so why do they never get reported on over here?
ked up.4.7AMV8 said:
Oh here we go. BBC documentary on the criminal that did not do what the Police told him which was to sit in the Police car. Opens with extended footage before the kneeling on the persons neck part with BLM activists crying and saying how it was a lynching.
Now family members saying how he was just a lovable rogue…same family who got $27 million by the way.
Did they show the full body-cam video? I remember seeing it at the time and it was a real eye-opener. Completely countered the manufactured media narrative but for some reason never got wide exposure. Why, it was almost as if someone wanted to foment civil unrest.Now family members saying how he was just a lovable rogue…same family who got $27 million by the way.
Shocking that the cop is still in prison for murder.
To be clear, I don't think that Chauvin demonstrated a great example of policing but he didn't commit murder.
Lucas Ayde said:
Did they show the full body-cam video? I remember seeing it at the time and it was a real eye-opener. Completely countered the manufactured media narrative but for some reason never got wide exposure. Why, it was almost as if someone wanted to foment civil unrest.
Shocking that the cop is still in prison for murder.
To be clear, I don't think that Chauvin demonstrated a great example of policing but he didn't commit murder.
I can agree that it wasn't a racist murder, but it was bad policing for sure, but America (and here) is full of that.Shocking that the cop is still in prison for murder.
To be clear, I don't think that Chauvin demonstrated a great example of policing but he didn't commit murder.
I don't come from a unique position, but it is a position in that i have mixed race kids, black wife, white bloke (hate the way i even have to describe my family by colours, i don't ever really have to, but only way to explain).
I'm fully aware that if my lad was God forbid killed by a gang of white lads it would be called a racist attack regardless. If he is in a gang of black kids and they kill a white kid, its just murder, if he is killed by a gang of black kids the media or BLM won't give a s
t....Its scary how in any murder, the worst bit can be if it is a hate crime...... surely the murder bit is worst?
I hate the idea that for anyone to care about a black person being killed or harmed a white person has to of done it.... its actually sick.
Gt6turbo said:
Black people are killed by cops at a higher rate than any other skin colour. That's a fact.
White people do die, the issue is just black people at a higher rate.
Which race/ethnicity carries more guns/attacks police/is involved in violent crime and is shot as a result is actually not the issue at all. The issue is people unlawfully killed by police, of which in the USA whites unlawfully killed outnumbers blacks by 3:1.White people do die, the issue is just black people at a higher rate.
popeyewhite said:
Gt6turbo said:
Black people are killed by cops at a higher rate than any other skin colour. That's a fact.
White people do die, the issue is just black people at a higher rate.
Which race/ethnicity carries more guns/attacks police/is involved in violent crime and is shot as a result is actually not the issue at all. The issue is people unlawfully killed by police, of which in the USA whites unlawfully killed outnumbers blacks by 3:1.White people do die, the issue is just black people at a higher rate.
biggbn said:
Is that a surprise? Over 60% of the population is white?
Yes my percentage was as a proportion. Black people male up 13% but account for 25% of police deaths.Think there is a point there. Less than 100 years ago black people were second class citizens. There are still issues, this guy didn't deserve to die, and again that is the crux. He was murdered.
Gt6turbo said:
biggbn said:
Is that a surprise? Over 60% of the population is white?
Yes my percentage was as a proportion. Black people male up 13% but account for 25% of police deaths.Think there is a point there. Less than 100 years ago black people were second class citizens. There are still issues, this guy didn't deserve to die, and again that is the crux. He was murdered.
biggbn said:
Is that a surprise? Over 60% of the population is white?
Which is always the response to saying more white people are killed by the US cops.Problem is you would think then that if over 60 percent of the population is white and there are many more whites being killed lawfully or unlawfully, then you would here about at least some of those over in the UK...right?
But no, we don't ever here of white people being killed by the US cops...
The other obvious issue with saying more black people are killed by proportion, is that if you use the proportion stats when discussing crime by ethnicity, then the 'left' say your being racist.
So the simple fact is, in 2024, 1,173 civilians having been shot, 248 of whom were Black, by the police.....
None of this is to say that anyone should die at the hands of the police, but the media in the UK should be more responsible when they report stuff from a country as trigger happy as the US.
Out of those 248 about 17 were found to be unlawful...... I know genocide is the new word, but this really isn't something that should be keeping my lad awake at night in the UK.
We have literally just had the flip side in South Africa where people are fact checking Trump on 'white genocide' saying that more black SA are killed than white SA, so its a criminality issue, so would you just say "well there are more black SA, so it is a white genocide"
No of course you wouldn't, because you be stupid to do so....
The simple question i'm asking and would like an answer to is
"why do we (in the UK) not hear about white people getting shot by the US cops?"
Once you answer it logically the truth becomes clearer.... at least to me anyway. The media gets more out of the race angle. Which is sad, dangerous, unfair and grotesque.
Edited by Kamov on Friday 23 May 08:02
We only hear about certain stories in general. This was because it was filmed, witnesses etc.
It is a bit like missing children. Loads go missing every year yet 15 million spent on one. There are obviously always biases in what stories the public want to read about. It is why the news in general is always negative and fear mongering
It is a bit like missing children. Loads go missing every year yet 15 million spent on one. There are obviously always biases in what stories the public want to read about. It is why the news in general is always negative and fear mongering
Gt6turbo said:
We only hear about certain stories in general. This was because it was filmed, witnesses etc.
It is a bit like missing children. Loads go missing every year yet 15 million spent on one. There are obviously always biases in what stories the public want to read about. It is why the news in general is always negative and fear mongering
Fine so we agree that the media is in part, to be generous to them, causing a lot of upset, unrest and division needlessly in the pursuit of selling or clicks.It is a bit like missing children. Loads go missing every year yet 15 million spent on one. There are obviously always biases in what stories the public want to read about. It is why the news in general is always negative and fear mongering
You'll get no argument from me that the US cops don't have a massive issue with the way they operate, but to say its because they are just racists (some will be) is doing a disservice when black and white should be shouting together rather than being pulled apart...
I also have not one shred of a crap about George F dying, he was a scum bag who punched a pregnant black woman in the stomach during a robbery.... so I really don't care that he died at all.
That doesn't mean what the copper did was a good move, because it really wasn't and i am pretty sure he didn't intend to kill George with the cameras filming him, if he did he is clearly mentally ill.
Edited by Kamov on Friday 23 May 14:23
As a "what if........." it'd be interesting to know what would've happened had there not been an agitated group of people potentially distracting all the officers, meaning they could've focused 100% of their attention on Floyd?
Would he still have been killed ie the cop wanted to kill him, would they have noticed his distress faster and reacted far quicker to his condition ie cop only knelt on him for a few seconds or would they have even knelt on him at all etc??
Of course without anyone to film the killing would the cops have still had such a racially charged trial, would the results have been different etc?
Lots to consider I think.
Would he still have been killed ie the cop wanted to kill him, would they have noticed his distress faster and reacted far quicker to his condition ie cop only knelt on him for a few seconds or would they have even knelt on him at all etc??
Of course without anyone to film the killing would the cops have still had such a racially charged trial, would the results have been different etc?
Lots to consider I think.
All I can add here is that my Dad was ex plod, and I asked him about this and stop and search etc. In teh UK not related to Floyd.
His simple answer was that the evidence about who is "holding and packing" and stats do not lie, do you think the police don't know they will be accused of racism etc as a result, but the evidence is there for them to do this.
You are dealing in the UK with a group of people who for some of them at least been taught the police are always racist and never to trust them, this is taught to them as children by fathers, mothers and siblings.
No shock it happens routinely
I was shocked when I saw the Floyd footage too, he was a big man, and no doubt could pack a punch. Still kneeling on his neck seemed overkill.
His simple answer was that the evidence about who is "holding and packing" and stats do not lie, do you think the police don't know they will be accused of racism etc as a result, but the evidence is there for them to do this.
You are dealing in the UK with a group of people who for some of them at least been taught the police are always racist and never to trust them, this is taught to them as children by fathers, mothers and siblings.
No shock it happens routinely
I was shocked when I saw the Floyd footage too, he was a big man, and no doubt could pack a punch. Still kneeling on his neck seemed overkill.
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