Free the southport one!!

[sugerbear]

The brass neck of some people

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4n4613npo

Fingers crossed they increase her sentence.

[markbigears]

Hopefully she’ll be released, freeing up a cell for a real criminal

[IJWS15]

Deserves to be inside.

It was how the national socialists started in Germany.

[Chris Peacock]

sugerbear said:

Fingers crossed they increase her sentence.

Fingers crossed the person who makes that decision is significantly less politically biased than you.

[craigjm]

IJWS15 said:

Deserves to be inside.

It was how the national socialists started in Germany.

Oh dear. Yes it was a stupid thing to tweet in the heat of the moment but "how the national socialists started in Germany" serious hyperbole. I dont think anyone would really agree with what she tweeted but lets get real.

[Goaty Bill 2]

craigjm said:

IJWS15 said:

Deserves to be inside.

It was how the national socialists started in Germany.

Oh dear. Yes it was a stupid thing to tweet in the heat of the moment but "how the national socialists started in Germany" serious hyperbole. I dont think anyone would really agree with what she tweeted but lets get real.

Literally Hitler...

[bitchstewie]

I'm somewhere in the middle on this.

Zero sympathy for her and no time for all the people whining about "two tier justice" just because a racist got sent to prison for stirring up racial hatred.

However right now given the situation around prison spaces (and it may be different in women's prisons) there might be a strong argument for that space being better used by someone who's committed a more serious offence.

That's slightly different to the appeal though which seems to come down to how dare a respectiable middle class lady go to prison for saying what she really thought during a series of violent riots.

[milkround]

Didn’t she say something awful for all she cared. Something like torch the hotels for all I care?

It’s not exactly a call to action. It’s a statement of not being a very nice person. Someone saying milkround can have his car smashed up for all I care, is different to someone directing people to smash my car up.

She shouldn’t be jailed for that. She should be ridiculed for saying something so silly.

I’m far from a racist. I believe in treating asylum seekers with dignity and respect. But criminalising words like this just pushes nasty and hateful ideology into an echo chamber.

[FredericRobinson]

Bloody soft on crime woke do gooders

[Earthdweller]

bhstewie said:

I'm somewhere in the middle on this.

Zero sympathy for her and no time for all the people whining about "two tier justice" just because a racist got sent to prison for stirring up racial hatred.

However right now given the situation around prison spaces (and it may be different in women's prisons) there might be a strong argument for that space being better used by someone who's committed a more serious offence.

That's slightly different to the appeal though which seems to come down to how dare a respectiable middle class lady go to prison for saying what she really thought during a series of violent riots.

You raise an interesting point as to whether the punishment was appropriate which is different from whether or not she should have been punished

There are numerous studies both in the U.K. and elsewhere about the effectiveness of prison and legnth of sentences

Should a person of previous good character who showed remorse for a non violent crime be incarcerated and for how long?

Prison should be reserved for those for whom we need protection from in my opinion and I fall to see what threat she posed

[Jeanboi]

Earthdweller said:

bhstewie said:

I'm somewhere in the middle on this.

Zero sympathy for her and no time for all the people whining about "two tier justice" just because a racist got sent to prison for stirring up racial hatred.

However right now given the situation around prison spaces (and it may be different in women's prisons) there might be a strong argument for that space being better used by someone who's committed a more serious offence.

That's slightly different to the appeal though which seems to come down to how dare a respectiable middle class lady go to prison for saying what she really thought during a series of violent riots.

You raise an interesting point as to whether the punishment was appropriate which is different from whether or not she should have been punished

There are numerous studies both in the U.K. and elsewhere about the effectiveness of prison and legnth of sentences

Should a person of previous good character who showed remorse for a non violent crime be incarcerated and for how long?

Prison should be reserved for those for whom we need protection from in my opinion and I fall to see what threat she posed

I'm of the mind that some kind of 'educational order' could be a useful way of improving the mindset of people who have done things like she has, instead of incarceration.

[Kwackersaki]

IJWS15 said:

Deserves to be inside.

It was how the national socialists started in Germany.

Did they have twitter back then?

[Goaty Bill 2]

Kwackersaki said:

Did they have twitter back then?

das Gezwitscher

[grumbledoak]

It is ridiculous that she's in prison in the first place. Pure politics.

[chrisgtx]

sugerbear said:

The brass neck of some people

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4n4613npo

Fingers crossed they increase her sentence.

Increase her sentence? Really? From near 3years inside?
Have you not seen real crimes that have been committed, harms to other people,GBH, ABH, that have had minor sentences handed down. Some by repeat offenders, and you want a social media post, seen by a small amount of people, jailed. Incredible.

[Jeanboi]

chrisgtx said:

sugerbear said:

The brass neck of some people

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4n4613npo

Fingers crossed they increase her sentence.

Increase her sentence? Really? From near 3years inside?
Have you not seen real crimes that have been committed, harms to other people,GBH, ABH, that have had minor sentences handed down. Some by repeat offenders, and you want a social media post, seen by a small amount of people, jailed. Incredible.

I'm not sure, is sugerbear being flippant? It does seem an extreme opinion, if serious!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

grumbledoak said:

It is ridiculous that she's in prison in the first place. Pure politics.

Which is how it should be. We had riots and looting on the streets. The govt should be able to say to the courts that sentences for this particular disorder should be severe, in order to bring the riots to an abrupt end. And it worked. The riots didn't drag on for weeks.

It's nothing new. Under Thatcher, people arrested for fighting under the guise of football hooliganism were treated far more harshly than just a normal street fight.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

milkround said:

Didn’t she say something awful for all she cared. Something like torch the hotels for all I care?

It’s not exactly a call to action. It’s a statement of not being a very nice person. Someone saying milkround can have his car smashed up for all I care, is different to someone directing people to smash my car up.

So someone saying "I hear talk that milkround is a child abuser. People can burn his house down with him and his family inside for all I care" is fine? They haven't said you are a child abuser, just that they've heard talk of it. And they haven't asked for you house to be burned down, just that they don't care if it is.

I don't think you should be allowed to spread rumours, and get out of it by saying "I hear talk", or put the idea of violence into someone's head and exempt yourself by saying "for all I care". And the law agrees with me.

[chrisgtx]

chrisgtx said:

sugerbear said:

The brass neck of some people

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4n4613npo

Fingers crossed they increase her sentence.

Increase her sentence? Really? From near 3years inside?
Have you not seen real crimes that have been committed, harms to other people,GBH, ABH, that have had minor sentences handed down. Some by repeat offenders, and you want a social media post, seen by a small amount of people, jailed. Incredible.

Bugger. That’s a whoosh parrot for me. I must of assumed it was a bhstewie thread.

[Greendubber]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

milkround said:

Didn’t she say something awful for all she cared. Something like torch the hotels for all I care?

It’s not exactly a call to action. It’s a statement of not being a very nice person. Someone saying milkround can have his car smashed up for all I care, is different to someone directing people to smash my car up.

So someone saying "I hear talk that milkround is a child abuser. People can burn his house down with him and his family inside for all I care" is fine? They haven't said you are a child abuser, just that they've heard talk of it. And they haven't asked for you house to be burned down, just that they don't care if it is.

I don't think you should be allowed to spread rumours, and get out of it by saying "I hear talk", or put the idea of violence into someone's head and exempt yourself by saying "for all I care". And the law agrees with me.

Yep.