US/UK Trade deal

[cirian75]

Personal opinion.

We absolutely should NOT be doing this right now!!!

Any deal is going to be a Trump Only deal.

Not America First, not America Only, only Trump first

UK a very distant last, will be all take take take with bugger all given in return.

He will also 100% renege the moment it does not suit him.


"Reeves working 'flat out' to get US trade deal" says everyone's most disliked Red Tory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99p5nrr53mo

[Iamnotkloot]

cirian75 said:

Personal opinion.

We absolutely should NOT be doing this right now!!!

Any deal is going to be a Trump Only deal.

Not America First, not America Only, only Trump first

UK a very distant last, will be all take take take with bugger all given in return.

He will also 100% renege the moment it does not suit him.


"Reeves working 'flat out' to get US trade deal" says everyone's most disliked Red Tory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99p5nrr53mo

Bit of a strange rant?

[Vanden Saab]

Do you think we should be working towards closer ties with the EU?

[crofty1984]

Vanden Saab said:

Do you think we should be working towards closer ties with the EU?

I do. We shouldn't be actively aggressive towards the USA, but I think it's good that Trump has shown the world quickly and forcefully that they can't be seen as a reliable partner. Even if he pops his clogs tomorrow, who's to say the American people won't elect someone like him again?
We should stay on friendly terms with the US, but not at the expense of the other 190-odd countries of the world.

[maz8062]

You know something that I learned yesterday, practically all of Trump's EO that Congress does not ratify can effectively be overturned by the next President in one fell swoop. Trade deals take years to agree and get signed off, so signing a trade deal with the US, outside of what we already had before this tariff nonsense, is showing our hand to China, the EU, India, Canada, etc., when we don't have to, yet. Best to wait until there's a reliable administration in place, say the right things, but keep your options open.

[cirian75]

Vanden Saab said:

Do you think we should be working towards closer ties with the EU?

We do need much better trade ties with the EU than the USA, its a hell of a worth a lot more in terms of trade, that the US.

Rejoining is not an option at this time, we would need to resolved our own internal issues that cause the leave vote in the first place.

Trump though will want us to undo a lot of our laws on human right and protections.

We've seen the USA try to bully other countries into revoking their human right laws under the guise of claiming their DEI, so far they've been told to ps off, but Starmer is such a weakling.

PS, the US culling DEI is just a cover for green lighting overt racism and sexism.

[Timothy Bucktu]

My honest healthy advice...go outside. Enjoy the sunshine. Avoid as much news and, at this point, almost cult like vehemently opposing opinion as possible.

[dai1983]

Depends what it in it for us really as if it's massively one sided then what's the point?

[menousername]

Timothy Bucktu said:

My honest healthy advice...go outside. Enjoy the sunshine. Avoid as much news and, at this point, almost cult like vehemently opposing opinion as possible.

It is quite overcast outside unfortunately.

Quite symbolic of the UK’s economic situation in fact - there is no escaping

[cirian75]

dai1983 said:

Depends what it in it for us really as if it's massively one sided then what's the point?

The UK will get absolutely bugger all out of the deal.

They'll take the tariffs off our cars or that'll be about it.

What Trump wants is to get US pharmas claws into the NHS

And the UK to leave Churchills ECHR

[Tango13]

Keep the US at arms length, drag the negotiations out for as long as possible, talk a lot but don't say much and commit to nothing.

Do that for the next four years and hopefully there will be a grown up in white house after the next election.

I would also slowly and carefully work towards closer ties with Europe, don't forget that before the bureaucratic st fight that is the EU we had the EEC which was a very good thing for all

[cirian75]

Tango13 said:

Keep the US at arms length, drag the negotiations out for as long as possible, talk a lot but don't say much and commit to nothing.

Do that for the next four years and hopefully there will be a grown up in white house after the next election.

I would also slowly and carefully work towards closer ties with Europe, don't forget that before the bureaucratic st fight that is the EU we had the EEC which was a very good thing for all

Precisely this!

Any deal signed in the next few months will make the UK a slave to the USA's whims

[Countdown]

If we give the impression that Trump has won "a yuuuge yuuuge deal, the greatest ever, many big men have tears in their eyes" when in reality there is SFA difference to the current trading arrangements then I think great, let's do it

[ATG]

We just can't pre-judge this. If the US offers us something useful, great. If they don't, so be it. Starmer and Co. aren't going to sign up to something one-sided that makes them look like weak idiots ... because no one would do that. It wouldn't achieve anything economic, so there'd be no long term political gain, so all they'd get was immediate political damage.

Going into these negotiations we aren't going to see Reeves calling Trump "a massive st-gibbon", or Vance "a Poundshop Black Shirt tt". Saying guff like "we understand what he's trying to achieve" isn't weakness, it's just common sense when you're about to start trying to manipulate a narcissist.

[sam.rog]

I’d welcome our PM to state the UK is open to trade deals with every country. But we will not lower our standards to get them.

The UK historically and now should be a leading example on this. Trade is good but devaluing our beliefs and standards to achieve them isn't what I think the Uk stands for and represents.

Sure removing all our protection laws and environmental laws would surely get us a bigly, the biglyest deal ever. But thats not british.

[cirian75]

sam.rog said:

I’d welcome our PM to state the UK is open to trade deals with every country. But we will not lower our standards to get them.

The UK historically and now should be a leading example on this. Trade is good but devaluing our beliefs and standards to achieve them isn't what I think the Uk stands for and represents.

Sure removing all our protection laws and environmental laws would surely get us a bigly, the biglyest deal ever. But thats not british.

Problem is Starmer is such a slimy supine git, he would do the weakening by stealth, that's his MO, slow changes by being quiet and sneaky.

[mick987]

cirian75 said:

sam.rog said:

I’d welcome our PM to state the UK is open to trade deals with every country. But we will not lower our standards to get them.

The UK historically and now should be a leading example on this. Trade is good but devaluing our beliefs and standards to achieve them isn't what I think the Uk stands for and represents.

Sure removing all our protection laws and environmental laws would surely get us a bigly, the biglyest deal ever. But thats not british.

Problem is Starmer is such a slimy supine git, he would do the weakening by stealth, that's his MO, slow changes by being quiet and sneaky.

But you are quite happy for him to do a deal with the EU? go figure

[gruffalo]

cirian75 said:

sam.rog said:

I’d welcome our PM to state the UK is open to trade deals with every country. But we will not lower our standards to get them.

The UK historically and now should be a leading example on this. Trade is good but devaluing our beliefs and standards to achieve them isn't what I think the Uk stands for and represents.

Sure removing all our protection laws and environmental laws would surely get us a bigly, the biglyest deal ever. But thats not british.

Problem is Starmer is such a slimy supine git, he would do the weakening by stealth, that's his MO, slow changes by being quiet and sneaky.

I certainly agree that we should not lower standards, especially when it comes to food supply.

If the US wants us to buy more cars then make them better, more suited to european roads and of the quality we have come to expect form Japan and Germany.

Trump seems to have forgotten that in order to sell something you have to make it desirable so people want to buy it.

[JagLover]

cirian75 said:

We do need much better trade ties with the EU than the USA, its a hell of a worth a lot more in terms of trade, that the US.

The US economy is larger than that of the Eurozone and by a large margin. Even as recently as 20 years ago that was not the case and shows the diverging economic performance of the two economic areas.

Around 21% of UK exports go to the USA and, unlike with the EU, that does not tend to be bulk items or the re-export of LNG.

So I would suggest we very much need good trading relations with both.

[cirian75]

mick987 said:

cirian75 said:

sam.rog said:

I’d welcome our PM to state the UK is open to trade deals with every country. But we will not lower our standards to get them.

The UK historically and now should be a leading example on this. Trade is good but devaluing our beliefs and standards to achieve them isn't what I think the Uk stands for and represents.

Sure removing all our protection laws and environmental laws would surely get us a bigly, the biglyest deal ever. But thats not british.

Problem is Starmer is such a slimy supine git, he would do the weakening by stealth, that's his MO, slow changes by being quiet and sneaky.

But you are quite happy for him to do a deal with the EU? go figure

The EU have similar or better food, H&S standards and employment laws than us, the USA have H&S, food standards and employment laws way before ours or non existent !

Trump will insist we adopt their standards and sacrifice our own.

Edited by cirian75 on Friday 25th April 12:04