993 Turbo S £376,500!
993 Turbo S £376,500!
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chrisgaia

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212 posts

149 months

Saturday 19th April
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https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1998-porsche-9...

That seems a bit steep… did someone have a couple of pints before bidding or am I missing something??

A mint RS maybe but…

Edited by chrisgaia on Saturday 19th April 22:53

Armitage.Shanks

2,797 posts

103 months

Saturday 19th April
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Sold by Sothebys in 2017. If the price shown doesn't include fees it's hardly a high performing investment over the period; plus 1,500 miles in that time doesn't appear like the owner enjoyed it much. I'd be disappointed with the standard seats. A standard Turbo for half the price would I'm sure be just as enjoyable.

chrisgaia

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212 posts

149 months

Sunday 20th April
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Armitage.Shanks said:
Sold by Sothebys in 2017. If the price shown doesn't include fees it's hardly a high performing investment over the period; plus 1,500 miles in that time doesn't appear like the owner enjoyed it much. I'd be disappointed with the standard seats. A standard Turbo for half the price would I'm sure be just as enjoyable.
Being paid £77,000 for owning a stunning car for 8 years not a good investment?

Yes, he should have put on 20,000 which probably would not have destroyed the price!

IMI A

9,911 posts

219 months

Sunday 20th April
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Its a decent profit but it would be interesting to see what associated bills have been paid in that ownership period. FWIW I think whoever has bought it has got a cheap car with only 26 RHD turbo s made I think thats a £500k car in a few years. They're built in a very different way to everything that came after them and super rare. Gorgeous looking 911.

Cheib

24,637 posts

193 months

Sunday 20th April
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I don’t “get them” personally…can’t drive it unless you want to destroy the value.

Think the 2S is a better looking 993 without the spoiler…and whilst it won’t have the shove I’d rather have a RWD 911.

IMI A

9,911 posts

219 months

Sunday 20th April
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For me like the other poster a 993 RS would be my choice at this price point but again put miles on it and value will tank like any of these low mileage modern classics.

Cheib

24,637 posts

193 months

Sunday 20th April
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chrisgaia said:
Being paid £77,000 for owning a stunning car for 8 years not a good investment?
It’s about a 3% annual return..before maintenance and insurance etc. Let’s call that £20k over 8 years.

As a pure investment I don’t think that is particularly good.

IMI A

9,911 posts

219 months

Sunday 20th April
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993 turbo s do make good money. A 70k mile 993 turbo s sold via 911 Virgin for circa £270k in 2020. Its a rare 911. Values flying north in the US.

Discombobulate

5,672 posts

204 months

Monday 21st April
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Cheib said:
It’s about a 3% annual return..before maintenance and insurance etc. Let’s call that £20k over 8 years.

As a pure investment I don’t think that is particularly good.
At least it's tax free...

Yellow491

3,245 posts

137 months

Monday 21st April
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Cheib said:
I don’t “get them” personally…can’t drive it unless you want to destroy the value.

Think the 2S is a better looking 993 without the spoiler…and whilst it won’t have the shove I’d rather have a RWD 911.
They weren’t a popular drive when they came out,not the best handling car,mate got rid of his in less than a year,very overrated like a 4.0rs.
Agree 2s and rwd

ettore

4,636 posts

270 months

Monday 21st April
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Surely, we must be hitting peak 911 at some point soon? So many made, so many niche models, so many restomods, so obvious?

They are great things but they’ve become the complete default (the MGB of our day) - can these values sustain?

chrisgaia

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212 posts

149 months

Monday 21st April
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Koln-RS said:
Saw that on CC.
Price for that Turbo S was twice my valuation. But it only takes a few ‘heady’ bidders.

Week earlier, this looked like an infinitely better buy.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1996-porsche-9...

(Although, that RS rear spoiler destroys the 993’s elegant lines even more than the Turbo’s eek)
Yes, saw that RHD ex South Africa. KMs on the clock, not aware of any other differences?

And sorry if someone out there spent £300k on one, I agree that it is the ugliest of all the 911 spoilers. However, if I owned one I am sure I would think it was the most beautiful thing in the world, especially when I was flying around a fast corner and it was the only thing holding the bum down!

stichill99

1,172 posts

199 months

Wednesday 28th May
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At certain angles the clubsport spoiler looks okay but side profile not so much. The standard spoiler looks much better!

Slippydiff

15,831 posts

241 months

Wednesday 28th May
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chrisgaia said:
And sorry if someone out there spent £300k on one, I agree that it is the ugliest of all the 911 spoilers. However, if I owned one I am sure I would think it was the most beautiful thing in the world, especially when I was flying around a fast corner and it was the only thing holding the bum down!
You'll excuse me for saying as much, but that's complete cobblers !! smile





Silver does the car no favours (though it looks better in the flesh) but especially the way the photographer has caught the light reflecting on the rear wing's endplates in various images.
On Guards, Speed, Riviera and black examples the rear wing blends in with the car's design better.

Whether the Clubsport rear wing was aerodynamically efficient at sticking the rear end down is a moot point, from my experience I'd say it had little or no effect, and I can't remember if it was adjustable (but I'm sure Yellow491 will be able to confirm one way or another) but it did form the basis for the evolution aerokit, which I'm sure provided real downforce on the race cars.







clubsport

7,381 posts

276 months

Wednesday 28th May
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This is from the 993 RS Technical bulletin showing the data for both of the 993 RS spoilers. Yes, the rear spoiler of the M003 CS is adjustable.


Yellow491

3,245 posts

137 months

Wednesday 28th May
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Slippydiff said:
chrisgaia said:
And sorry if someone out there spent £300k on one, I agree that it is the ugliest of all the 911 spoilers. However, if I owned one I am sure I would think it was the most beautiful thing in the world, especially when I was flying around a fast corner and it was the only thing holding the bum down!
You'll excuse me for saying as much, but that's complete cobblers !! smile





Silver does the car no favours (though it looks better in the flesh) but especially the way the photographer has caught the light reflecting on the rear wing's endplates in various images.
On Guards, Speed, Riviera and black examples the rear wing blends in with the car's design better.

Whether the Clubsport rear wing was aerodynamically efficient at sticking the rear end down is a moot point, from my experience I'd say it had little or no effect, and I can't remember if it was adjustable (but I'm sure Yellow491 will be able to confirm one way or another) but it did form the basis for the evolution aerokit, which I'm sure provided real downforce on the race cars.

Pretty much agree,only place i felt and difference on full angle attack was at spa flat out,as figures show all measured at 270kph,must say on the road car i always preferred the standard rs rear.

Jones the cat

484 posts

10 months

Wednesday 28th May
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Pastel Yellow over Black - lovely looking.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/18108243


n12maser

663 posts

110 months

Thursday 29th May
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That's a stunning 993

carguy45

757 posts

182 months

Thursday 29th May
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A 993 Turbo S is still one of my lottery car wins, they're at the age now where they sit (perfectly IMO) as a modern classic between the older 70s/80s 911s and newer ones. Still very usable and relatively modern looking.

My father had a zenith blue 993 4S for a year or two, wish he'd kept in his collection. Turbo-bodied, and he added the biplane spoiler and a few other bits, stunning bit of kit.

JJ77

403 posts

66 months

Thursday 29th May
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Really liked that Zenith Blue.