RE: The Kay Collection | PH Auction Block

RE: The Kay Collection | PH Auction Block

Tuesday 1st April

The Kay Collection | PH Auction Block

It's time for one PHer to move their classic trio on - here's all you need to know


If researching, discovering and buying a car is the most exciting part of the ownership story, having to let go must be the hardest. Selling a much-loved vehicle is always tough, even if it’s being moved on to make way for something ostensibly better - fond memories and shared experiences will do that. Even more so, presumably, when more than one car is involved. Sometimes needs must, though, as is the case with this trio of PH Auctions lots.

Though being offered as individual sales, the DeLorean, 911 and Lancia seen here - how’s that for diverse? - all come from the same collection. The vendor assures us that they’re all in good running order, with each seeing regular use. While it’d be lovely for them all to stay together, wherever they end up all three ought to guarantee some classic sports car joy. All will be fun to drive in their own way, and offer up a good opportunity for enthusiasts to get their hands dirty when it comes to maintenance and upgrading. PH typically focuses on newer cars, but it isn’t hard to see the charm of the good old days when presented with these three. 

In a world of backdates, restomods and conversions, an old 911 that still just looks like an old 911 is a real treat. The Kay Collection Targa is a 1977 S, supplied new in the US to California almost 50 years ago and arriving in the UK from California at the start of this decade. It’s a matching numbers car, and boasts a glorious colour combo of brown (Sienna, officially) over caramel. Furthermore, it was subjected to an extensive mechanical overhaul just last year (there are still running in miles to do), with £8,000 spent on the flat-six to bring it back to its best. It presents a fascinating conundrum for the next owner: enjoy an on-the-button classic Porsche complete with its half-century of patina, or fully restore it to make something show-worthy. A very cool car, either way. 

But if it’s something to exhibit you’re after, the Kay Collection DeLorean is hard to ignore. Even more than 40 years after Back To The Future, nothing draws a crowd of phones like a DMC-12. The stainless steel, the doors, the whole aura means it attracts attention like a bonafide exotic. Another US market car, it was acquired by the seller in 2016, who has since then continued a restoration job on it. Once more this is a classic that’s had significant expenditure on the running gear, but would probably benefit from some TLC to make for a true show-stopper. The perfect thing for classic car rallies and fairs this summer. 

The final car of the three is a real rarity. The Lancia Beta is hard to come by in any form these days, let alone as a Zagato-bodied Spider. Indeed its very existence might come as news to some. Fewer than 10,000 were made in the ‘70s and early ‘80s, a fact not helped by the back and forth of the Spider building process, which saw each car pay two separate visits to Zagato during the conversion. But coach-built Italian glamour never came easy, right?

This Lancia lived its life in South Africa until 2023, obviously a nice dry climate where rot couldn’t really take hold - thank goodness. Restorative endeavour that took place there has continued over here, with recent work including a refurbished cylinder head, new suspension, brakes and clutch. There’ll surely still be some additional fettling to do - this is a 45-year-old Lancia Beta, after all - but for a rare and quirky Italian classic it’s hard to think of much better. You’re unlikely to see another, put it that way - even at the owners’ club meet. General bidding on all three Kay Collection cars begins on April 6th, with specific offers on each lot accepted until April 4th. Call us sentimental, but we like the idea of the trio remaining under one roof. Admittedly you'll need a fairly big one...


See the full Lancia Beta Zagato listing

See the full Porsche 911 S Targa listing

See the full DeLorean DMC-12 listing

Author
Discussion

Turbobanana

Original Poster:

7,008 posts

213 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
PH lack of knowledge of older cars, or reluctance to research, really shows through: Lancia Beta Spiders are probably more common than saloons, coupes or the HPE Estate nowadays.

Of these three I'd take the Porsche. Love a brown car.

pycraft

1,023 posts

196 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
"The Kay Collection" - given the avoidance of explicitly naming the vendor (unless I've missed it). do we infer from this that the vendor is Jay Kay?

I was wondering if there might be a rarity premium to be paid for cars that haven't been owned by him; so many on here seem to have...

LarJammer

2,313 posts

222 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
I'd assumed they are owned by TV presenter Kay Burley.

andy43

11,182 posts

266 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Oh. I was expecting a Fiat 500.

jeremyc

25,305 posts

296 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Each listing has its own thread on the PistonHeads Auction Listings forum, started by the owner bob10818. smile So you can even ask them a question to determine which Kay they are, if you really need to. hehe

DeLorean

Porsche

Lancia

readit

NDA

22,884 posts

237 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
What's up with that rear plate on the Targa?

Dale487

1,447 posts

135 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
NDA said:
What's up with that rear plate on the Targa?
It was originally a California car - I assume the standard U.K. plate wouldn’t fit in that gap between the bumper “over riders”.

AmazingGrace

183 posts

16 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Think I’d prefer a new Jamiroquai album than JK’s old castoffs

Venisonpie

3,898 posts

94 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Three curiously undesirable cars, the Lancia and Porsche would be better as coupe's although they're both in great colours. The Delorean is interesting but I wouldn't want one.

Jex

852 posts

140 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
The DeLorean would be great for return journeys. You would always be back in time.

WPA

11,296 posts

126 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Porsche would look so much better without the USA spec overriders and then having a normal plate fitted

Mercutio

257 posts

174 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
To everyone writing about Jamiroquai -

No where (as I can see) has it been stated that this is Jay Kay's sale.

I think Pistonheads are instead trying to emulate the very high end car salespeople who, when selling a set of cars from a vendor in one go, name it "the **surname** collection" to make it sound more lofty , as if it is being sold from the personal stash of a high end collector .


Cryssys

631 posts

50 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
A dirty brown Porche with the wheel on the wrong side, a crappy Delorean plus a rather dull and uninspiring Lancia. Not surprised he's trying to get rid of them.

Nothing against Jay Kay, if indeed it is him, but the vehicles on offer just don't interest/excite me.

NGK210

3,701 posts

157 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
In Europe, this Lancia was known as the Beta Spider 2000.

The coupe upon which it was based was penned by Lancia’s in-house studio.

The Spider version was designed (badly, due to bugger-all budget) by Pininfarina.

It was basically a ‘roof job’ that used the existing front-end and doors, with a bespoke boot lid and rear wings.

Zagato’s role was assembling the car. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ergo, the PH advertorial’s references to “Zagato-bodied Spider” and “coach-built Italian glamour” reeks of egregious sales BS.

However, in the US the car was marketed as the Beta Zagato Spider.

There’s an excellent thread re. a PHer’s recent Beta Spider restoration here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Ocho

673 posts

249 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
This lot all look so uninspiring I'm left half wondering if it's an April Fools!

The Delorean, well apart from what it is, looks knackered for it's low mileage.
The Lancia doesn't seem especially inspiring.
The Porsche (and this is coming from a 911 man), well I can't recall ever seeing one in such a sorry state. It's paintwork is appalling with mismatching panels and no shine left (and that's even if you do like brown), along with the crunch under the skirt, the wonky mirror, the dodgy black light surrounds, the crap US spec bumpers and of course the wheel on the wrong side!

Truckosaurus

12,408 posts

296 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
I quite like the Porsche, although it is not many years ago when an LHD, brown, targa 911 would be at a 4-figure price tag and a perfect starter classic.

Dapster

7,821 posts

192 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Ocho said:
This lot all look so uninspiring I'm left half wondering if it's an April Fools!

The Porsche (and this is coming from a 911 man), well I can't recall ever seeing one in such a sorry state. It's paintwork is appalling with mismatching panels and no shine left (and that's even if you do like brown), along with the crunch under the skirt, the wonky mirror, the dodgy black light surrounds, the crap US spec bumpers and of course the wheel on the wrong side!
And it looks like it still has the California spec K Jetronic 2.7, restricted to 170bhp rather than the Euro version with 210. You'd think that with an alleged £8 grand engine rebuild they would have looked at that. The California cars were prone to lean running and overheating in period but I'm not sure if that was sorted out in the intervening 50 years.

andy43

11,182 posts

266 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Mercutio said:
To everyone writing about Jamiroquai -

No where (as I can see) has it been stated that this is Jay Kay's sale.

I think Pistonheads are instead trying to emulate the very high end car salespeople who, when selling a set of cars from a vendor in one go, name it "the **surname** collection" to make it sound more lofty , as if it is being sold from the personal stash of a high end collector .
I think you could be right. These sheds are more Vernon Kay than Jay Kay.

Demonix

640 posts

224 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Patina on the Porsche is clearly a veiled reference to it's paintwork being more pitted than the acne'd face of a teenage Maccie D's worker.

Rumdoodle

1,181 posts

32 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Is this THE Kay Collection? I would have thought Tom Hartley would have been all over this!