German rocket launch failure from Norway

German rocket launch failure from Norway

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eharding

Original Poster:

14,324 posts

296 months

BBC : Rocket crashes back to Earth just moments after launch in Norway

The Telegraph has a further quote from the company CEO: "“We had a clean lift-off, 30 seconds of flight, and even got to validate our flight termination system.”

I'm not sure "having the thing drop like a sack of crap back into the water and detonate" actually qualifies as a flight termination system though.

Being PH, it's also mandatory to mention the large dabs of oppo being applied before it went tits up.

LimmerickLad

3,428 posts

27 months

Looks like a bit of lift off oversteer to me.........once that happens there only one place you are going....into the kitty litter wink

Edited by LimmerickLad on Sunday 30th March 19:54

Cliodci12235

246 posts

2 months

Don't forget climate change folks.....

hidetheelephants

29,167 posts

205 months

Didn't seem to accelerate with much enthusiasm, then the yawing started and it slowed down and it all went to st, it'll be interesting to read whether it's just a control issue or if full thrust wasn't developed as well.

fourstardan

5,326 posts

156 months

Do rockets suffer in colder temperatures to take off?

Simpo Two

88,239 posts

277 months

Looks like he missed second gear.

fourstardan said:
Do rockets suffer in colder temperatures to take off?
Denser air - but surely negligible in the grand scheme of things. IC engines like denser air but rockets carry their own oxygen/oxidiser so I'm not sure it counts.

eharding

Original Poster:

14,324 posts

296 months

hidetheelephants said:
Didn't seem to accelerate with much enthusiasm, then the yawing started and it slowed down and it all went to st, it'll be interesting to read whether it's just a control issue or if full thrust wasn't developed as well.
I first saw the video on the Telegraph website, which showed a very respectable acceleration, high speed oscillations and then what appeared to be a powered dive back into the water despite there being no obvious motor power on the way down, and also with a fairly flat attitude. The BBC video showed a much more leisurely event....turns out that the tts at the Telegraph had posted the video at 4x actual speed for some reason (as well as being unable to resist making reference to the Nazi V2 in the context of a German rocket launch in 2025). I look forward to more Telegraph 4x video footage of upcoming events - perhaps a full pelt cavalry charge down Horse Guards Parade at the Trooping of the Colour. (Edited - just watched the 2024 Trooping the Colour at high speed, albeit at the YouTube maximum of 2X vs 4X, but I have to say the whole thing seems a whole lot more jaunty and jolly, almost as if it was being done by the French)

Edited by eharding on Sunday 30th March 20:59

Eric Mc

123,401 posts

277 months

I actually watched it live yesterday morning. When a rocket is being flight tested for the first time the chances of it all going a bit wrong are pretty high. I wasn't disappointed. You could see from only a few seconds into the lift off that the thrut vectoring system went into overdraive. I think that was a symptom rather than the cause. I reckon it was some sort of guidance problem.

It reminded me of the Proton launch that went wrong back in 2014. That was caused by a component being installed back to front!

Mabbs9

1,349 posts

230 months

What a beautiful place. Hopefully the fuel was fully eco compliant.

RizzoTheRat

26,469 posts

204 months

Simpo Two said:
fourstardan said:
Do rockets suffer in colder temperatures to take off?
Denser air - but surely negligible in the grand scheme of things. IC engines like denser air but rockets carry their own oxygen/oxidiser so I'm not sure it counts.
Denser air will mean maximum dynamic pressure (Max Q) happens at a slightly different altitude and speed. This is the point of highest load on the airframe, and and a lot of rockets throttle back to reduce it, but this one went wrong way before that point. Cold can also be an issue for mechanical components, Challenger blew up because it was too cold for an o-ring seal on the solid boosters.

The way that one failed looked very much like a control instability. Problems in the control system could easily cause that kind of failure, you get a tiny bit of drift to one side and the control either over react, or are too slow to react, so you end up overshooting the other way, and it keeps oscillating until it gets out of range of the thrust vectoring to correct it.

LivLL

11,436 posts

209 months

Mabbs9 said:
What a beautiful place. Hopefully the fuel was fully eco compliant.
What is "fully eco compliant" fuel?

hidetheelephants

29,167 posts

205 months

I doubt that's a consideration, but it's LPG so potentially produced locally.

peterperkins

3,243 posts

254 months

Could have done with Dr Wernher von Braun it check it out before they lit the blue touch paper.

Eric Mc

123,401 posts

277 months

Tuesday
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Have you ever seen film of the first V2 launch?

jingars

1,154 posts

252 months

Tuesday
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Launch site safety is a key concern for SaxaVord Spaceport.

Simpo Two

88,239 posts

277 months

Tuesday
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jingars said:
Launch site safety is a key concern for SaxaVord Spaceport.
Two words, and the first one is 'Utter...'

Mabbs9

1,349 posts

230 months

Tuesday
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LivLL said:
Mabbs9 said:
What a beautiful place. Hopefully the fuel was fully eco compliant.
What is "fully eco compliant" fuel?
Obviously it doesn't exist. My sarcasm at the damage this does to the environment.

Stick Legs

6,734 posts

177 months

Tuesday
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Mabbs9 said:
Obviously it doesn't exist. My sarcasm at the damage this does to the environment.
Hydrogen?


Eric Mc

123,401 posts

277 months

Tuesday
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The rocket used liquid oxygen and propane as its main propellants.

Simpo Two

88,239 posts

277 months

Tuesday
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Eric Mc said:
The rocket used eco-compliant liquid oxygen and eco-compliant propane as its main propellants.
That's better - two more boxes of green virtuosity ticked smile

The rocket is so green it doesn't work, but that's not important...